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Apollo Creed

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If you think we have played worse and worse you are more stupid than I thought and that says a lot.

Listen to yourself saying 'do you have any reading comprehension skills' and 'you are more stupid' talking to your fellow Cowboys fans, all because we think Jason Garrett is a scrub.

Check yourself. You're in the minority here, I'd say your boy has less than a 20% approval rate (if that) throughout Cowboys nation and you're over here defending him like he's Tom Landry or Bill Belichick or something.
 

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If you think we have played worse and worse you are more stupid than I thought and that says a lot.


You are either getting better or getting worse in the NFL.

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Is not getting better my friend..............................I think the "blind" in blindzebra is very fitting.
 

Frosty

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Exactly...................this crap we are getting out of Garrett is the worst case scenario.....................not bad enough to get high picks and not good enough to be a playoff team.

You know I have to agree with you.....I am more of lurker than a poster now days cause I just have a hard time understanding what this Cowboy organization see's in Jason Garrett. As I say that, I am watching Urban Meyer demonstrate why he is an awesome Head Coach....just fooled everyone, the fans, the media alike and did a fake punt for a 1st down. That is coaching....making a difference, not only making the call but putting the players in position to succeed. I watched Bob Stoops put a butt whooping on Nick Saban, yes Stoops out coached the legend Nick Saban. I watch a great Rose Bowl between Stanford and Michigan State.....two coaches that had their teams ready, two coaches that coached and prepared their team to play and performed in a big game. I say that, to just wonder, what the heck does Jerry Jones see in Jason Garrett.....this guy rarely has his team ready to play in a big game. Cant win against teams with a winning record and consistently gets out coached. The math is adding up,,,,17 years and counting quickly turning into 18 years.

Love the Cowboys but I have come to the realization it is what is, and that is a show nothing more and nothing less.....and Garrett is nothing but the ring leader.
 

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Listen to yourself saying 'do you have any reading comprehension skills' and 'you are more stupid' talking to your fellow Cowboys fans, all because we think Jason Garrett is a scrub.

Check yourself. You're in the minority here, I'd say your boy has less than a 20% approval rate (if that) throughout Cowboys nation and you're over here defending him like he's Tom Landry or Bill Belichick or something.

I think the only person in the Cowboys organization that is disliked more is Jerry Jones.
 

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The only fans I've seen disappear over the past couple of years are jgs lap dogs. Can't say I blame the much though. Still a few brave and I use brave loosley still arounf though.
 

rcaldw

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I'm no mod... but what is up with all the insults? Lets all try and realize that we're all still fans of the same team here.

Actually Adam, you are. You are a Cowboys fan. Your reasonableness just proved that. But I'm telling you there is a group around here that play the same note, on the same instrument, day after day after day after day after day after day. Every once in a while some of us stop in just to try to break up the monopoly, but honestly, its a waste of time, most of the time.

Whether you agree with me or not I salute you as a fellow Cowboys fan. Thanks for the level headedness.

But I warn you, you only have 10 likes after 3,000 messages. If you want more likes you have to lose the common sense. :)
 

jobberone

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Some of you thing this site is here for your personal amusement and believe that repeating over and over how awful this person and that person or the site or the team is pathetic and whatever is justified or just hilarious in your eyes. It's fine to discuss your feelings and vent because you're not alone in your feelings.

However, when emotions run so high as to start insulting each other repeatedly that is excessive and you should consider modifying your behavior. If you're here because you think its hilarious to provoke, harass and annoy the other members then you need to cease and desist those behaviors. You're not funny, you're not entitled to disrupt the site and you're boring with your uninventive monotony.

One or two thoughtful posts as to why you don't like a player or yada is all that is necessary to get your point across in one thread. If you're going to have more than an occasional snarky go at each other then take it to PMs.
 

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You keep harping on this pass defense and acting like it's the only reason we're a perpetually mediocre team.

Pass defense and pass rush are a symbiotic relationship of sorts. Doesn't matter if we have 2 Deions, Woody and Ronnie Lott back there - it's impossible to cover people when QBs are comfortable. We made backups look all pro because they had time to make a sandwich in the pocket.

Even when we had a decent pass rush when Ware was healthy and Spencer was playing for a contract - we still gave up a ton of yards in the air because we had scrubs for safeties and our corners had no help over the top.

Ultimately meaning, plug one hole in this sinking ship and another one pops up. We're not a talented or deep defense because we've drafted poorly, given out bad contracts, and switched schemes 3 times in 4 years because it's obviously the DC's fault every year.

The blame falls squarely on the Jones' shoulders for a lack of talent on that side of the ball. Selvie, Hayden, Kearse, Bass, Heath - those guys would be on a lot of team's practice squads, but we're trotting them out there expecting them to stop somebody in today's offense oriented NFL. Yeah, right.

It *is* the reason we're not a much better team. To be clear, though, I'm not just talking about the secondary when I say 'pass defense.' It obviously includes pressure players. The reason why we've not been better varies from season to season. The constant has been the safety play, but there was a point at which we needed to address the CBs with Newman's age and contract status and Jenkins' injury. We switched schemes to address the turnover limitations, but then the pressure fell off a cliff when we sustained multiple injuries to the DL group. That said, even with better pressure we would not have been more than a mediocre pass D this season. But mediocre would have got us several more wins and a shot in the post season.

I've always been a fan of addressing the DL. Teams have done that and been very successful. The Giants are a good example of this. I wanted DL in the first this year, and I want it again in the first and thereafter in the coming draft. I wish we'd spent the recent TE and RB picks on DL, honestly, too. It's not like the OG position everybody was going off on the last two years where it'd be dumb to spend a top pick on a position you can readily fill from the middle rounds.
 

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It *is* the reason we're not a much better team. To be clear, though, I'm not just talking about the secondary when I say 'pass defense.' It obviously includes pressure players. The reason why we've not been better varies from season to season. The constant has been the safety play, but there was a point at which we needed to address the CBs with Newman's age and contract status and Jenkins' injury. We switched schemes to address the turnover limitations, but then the pressure fell off a cliff when we sustained multiple injuries to the DL group. That said, even with better pressure we would not have been more than a mediocre pass D this season. But mediocre would have got us several more wins and a shot in the post season.

I've always been a fan of addressing the DL. Teams have done that and been very successful. The Giants are a good example of this. I wanted DL in the first this year, and I want it again in the first and thereafter in the coming draft. I wish we'd spent the recent TE and RB picks on DL, honestly, too. It's not like the OG position everybody was going off on the last two years where it'd be dumb to spend a top pick on a position you can readily fill from the middle rounds.

I agree with you Idgit, I think drafting DL should be the number one priority for this team. If you have a great DL, it really doesnt matter who is in your secondary. When the Giants won the SB, nobody really knew who the secondary players were, but everybody knew Michael Strahan, Osi Uminuera, Justin Tuck, ect.....(sorry if I spelled their names wrong, too late at night and too lazy to look it up...LOL)

However, and I know you disagree with this, but I totally believe that we win at least 2 more games this year if our head coach was not "in training". If we had hired a head coach that was already trained (I know, shocking concept), then we would have won at least 1 division title over the last 3 years. I think that is what more people are upset about, that the Dallas Cowboys are not a team that "trains" head coaches. We should be going out and hiring the best coaches in the game, coaches that got that training at college programs or from being assistants to other good coaches or from learning the ropes at smaller market low profile teams.

So yes, the defense does need improving and especially the defensive line, but a poor defense does not excuse the fact that several games have been lost due to errors by the head coach. That is what most fans are finding unacceptable. It is one thing for Jerry to think Garrett was a good head coach when he hired him, but for Jerry to now admit that he knew their were going to be games lost from "miscues" and "sideline errors" during the "training process" and that he expects that to pay dividends down the road.

The bottom line as to why alot of fans are not very happy right now and are more on edge right now (more chipper threads lately) has more to do with Jerry hiring somebody even he agrees was not ready to be an NFL head coach than being upset with the defense.
 

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We did it, too, starting with a 1-7 team prior to that span. I agree, that Garrett's record is not as bad as people want to believe it is, for some reason. Each of the other teams has qualified for the playoffs as a division champion once during that span. It's not like we're particularly lagging behind the pack playing in the three division-deciding games. And we know what our problem has been each and every one of those seasons, and have our complement of draft picks and whatever cap resources we end up having available to fix it. Standing pat on the coaching staff is not the end of the world here in Dallas.

Doesn't matter...what is his playoff record??? That's what matters...
 
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