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Barring some major upsets, we will be the 3rd seed and will host the loser of the week 17 game between Green Bay and Detroit in Lambeau...........................I think the Pack wins that game and we host Detroit in the 1st round.
 

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I love seeing the "Eagles 9-3" with a 9% chance of missing the playoffs in the original post. Truly music to my eyes. :)
 

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To get a bye, its pretty simple (I am not factoring in ties BTW)...

First, we have to win out...

Then...one of the two has to happen:

1. GB AND Det have to lose 1 of their final two, which is unlikely as they play each other the last game and they play TB and Chicago next week respectably. This means that one of them MUST lose this week for this scenario to have a shot.

OR

2. Arizona loses their last two (SF and Seattle) and Seattle loses to the Rams this week.

If one of these two things don't happen, we can't finish above 3 seed.

It is looking HIGHLY likely that we face the loser of Detroit versus GB in round 1.

Hey, I appreciate the analysis but I am confused about one thing regarding the 2nd seed. If we win out and Seattle wins out, why wouldn't we get the 2nd seed? Let's just assume that either Detroit or Green Bay gets the first seed and the loser between the two gets a wild card. If we win out (12-4) and Seattle wins out (12-4) then the best Arizona could finish is 12-4. Seattle would win that division (head to head) and then with them being the winner of the West and us the winner of the East, wouldn't head to head be the first tie breaker to determine the #2 seed? This is where I'm confused.
 

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Looks a bit better, ney?!

Yes.

But I disagree with 2% and 8%

Cowboys could win out and Cards could lose out = 1 seed Dallas.

Lions, Seahawks and packers 11-5
 

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Hey, I appreciate the analysis but I am confused about one thing regarding the 2nd seed. If we win out and Seattle wins out, why wouldn't we get the 2nd seed? Let's just assume that either Detroit or Green Bay gets the first seed and the loser between the two gets a wild card. If we win out (12-4) and Seattle wins out (12-4) then the best Arizona could finish is 12-4. Seattle would win that division (head to head) and then with them being the winner of the West and us the winner of the East, wouldn't head to head be the first tie breaker to determine the #2 seed? This is where I'm confused.

This is the NFL seeding policy:

NFL Tiebreaking Procedures
The six postseason participants from each conference are seeded as follows:

  1. The division champion with the best record.
  2. The division champion with the second-best record.
  3. The division champion with the third-best record.
  4. The division champion with the fourth-best record.
  5. The Wild Card club with the best record.
  6. The Wild Card club with the second-best record.
The following procedures will be used to break standings ties for postseason playoffs and to determine regular-season schedules.

NOTE: Tie games count as one-half win and one-half loss for both clubs.

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs
  1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
  2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
  3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
  4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
  5. Strength of victory.
  6. Strength of schedule.
  7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
  8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
  9. Best net points in common games.
  10. Best net points in all games.
  11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
  12. Coin toss
Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).

  1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
  2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
  3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
  4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
  5. Strength of victory.
  6. Strength of schedule.
  7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
  8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
  9. Best net points in common games.
  10. Best net points in all games.
  11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
  12. Coin toss
TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

  1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
  2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
Two Clubs
  1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
  2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
  3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
  4. Strength of victory.
  5. Strength of schedule.
  6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
  7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
  8. Best net points in conference games.
  9. Best net points in all games.
  10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
  11. Coin toss.
Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

  1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
  2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
  3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
  4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
  5. Strength of victory.
  6. Strength of schedule.
  7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
  8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
  9. Best net points in conference games.
  10. Best net points in all games.
  11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
  12. Coin toss
When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.

OTHER TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURES
  1. Only one club advances to the playoffs in any tie-breaking step. Remaining tied clubs revert to the first step of the applicable division or Wild Card tie-breakers. As an example, if two clubs remain tied in any tie-breaker step after all other clubs have been eliminated, the procedure reverts to Step 1 of the two-club format to determine the winner. When one club wins the tiebreaker, all other clubs revert to Step 1 of the applicable two-club or three-club format.
  2. In comparing records against common opponents among tied teams, the best won-lost-tied percentage is the deciding factor, since teams may have played an unequal number of games.
  3. To determine home-field priority among division-titlists, apply Wild Card tie-breakers.
  4. To determine home-field priority for Wild Card qualifiers, apply division tie-breakers (if teams are from the same division) or Wild Card tiebreakers (if teams are from different divisions).
  5. To determine the best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed, add a team's position in the two categories, and the lowest score wins. For example, if Team A is first in points scored and second in points allowed, its combined ranking is "3." If Team B is third in points scored and first in points allowed, its combined ranking is "4." Team A then wins the tiebreaker. If two teams are tied for a position, both teams are awarded the ranking as if they held it solely. For example, if Team A and Team B are tied for first in points scored, each team is assigned a ranking of "1" in that category, and if Team C is third, its ranking will still be "3."
TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING
  1. Clubs not participating in the playoffs shall select in the first through 20th positions in reverse standings order.
  2. The Super Bowl winner is last and Super Bowl loser is next-to-last.
  3. The losers of the Conference Championship games shall select 29th and 30th based on won-lost-tied percentage.
  4. The losers of the Divisional playoff games shall select 25th through 28th based on won-lost-tied percentage.
  5. The losers of the Wild Card games shall select 21st through 24th based on won-lost-tied percentage.
If ties exist in any grouping except (2) above, such ties shall be broken by strength-of-schedule. If any ties cannot be broken by strength-of-schedule, the divisional or conference tie-breakers, if applicable, shall be applied. Any ties that still exist shall be broken by a coin flip.
 

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1. Det loses to Chi
2. GB wins over TB
3. Sea wins over AZ
4. SF beat AZ
5. Det beat GB
6. Dallas wins out

We are 1 seed and Sea 2.
AZ beats SF we are two seed.
Most likely we are #3.

If we finish with same record as Sea AND they are division champions as well then we are seeded higher. This happens if 1-6 happens. We are #1 seed and Sea #2.
 

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Yes.

But I disagree with 2% and 8%

Cowboys could win out and Cards could lose out = 1 seed Dallas.

Lions, Seahawks and packers 11-5

You can disagree with it all you want, but it is based upon probability and statistics. I wish 2+2 were 5, but it isn't.
 

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You can disagree with it all you want, but it is based upon probability and statistics. I wish 2+2 were 5, but it isn't.

It's bull.
Yes, I can disagree with probability and stats. Neither are factual future results.

Not looking for 2+2 to equal 5.... Zero chance. Cowboys going 2-0 while cards go 0-2 and others go 1-1 is higher percentage than what is calculated.

Probability of what? That a team can win 2 in a row and a team can go 1-1 and a team can go 0-2.
 

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It's bull.
Yes, I can disagree with probability and stats. Neither are factual future results.

Not looking for 2+2 to equal 5.... Zero chance. Cowboys going 2-0 while cards go 0-2 and others go 1-1 is higher percentage than what is calculated.

Probability of what? That a team can win 2 in a row and a team can go 1-1 and a team can go 0-2.

Not BS. Just odds of us winning a seed we don't control our destiny which is the 1 and 2 seeds. Certain things need to happen which has a calculated possibility even if you do a 50-50 odds of who wins and loses those games. Very specific wins and losses need occur for us to have the 1 or 2 seed. Losing to Was has created problems in that scenario. But as you can see, and which many have said, they are capable of playing well.
 

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Not BS. Just odds of us winning a seed we don't control our destiny which is the 1 and 2 seeds. Certain things need to happen which has a calculated possibility even if you do a 50-50 odds of who wins and loses those games. Very specific wins and losses need occur for us to have the 1 or 2 seed. Losing to Was has created problems in that scenario. But as you can see, and which many have said, they are capable of playing well.

It's true. It's more like 50-50.
 

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As someone said you may disagree but it is what it is.

I disagree that they are calculated together. The calculation combo is bogus. Combined doesn't jive.

Individually they are 50-50 and should be treated as such.

All good.
 

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Hey, I appreciate the analysis but I am confused about one thing regarding the 2nd seed. If we win out and Seattle wins out, why wouldn't we get the 2nd seed? Let's just assume that either Detroit or Green Bay gets the first seed and the loser between the two gets a wild card. If we win out (12-4) and Seattle wins out (12-4) then the best Arizona could finish is 12-4. Seattle would win that division (head to head) and then with them being the winner of the West and us the winner of the East, wouldn't head to head be the first tie breaker to determine the #2 seed? This is where I'm confused.

It would be a 3 way tie for first with GB SEA and DAL all 12-4. We lose the tie breaker due to conference record.
 
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