NFL.com: Ted Ginn, Jr. to Work Out April 12

[Tristan]

I think we probably have a case of the guys who have watched more of Bowe and Meachum, and not much of Jarrett prefer the guys they saw making plays.

Same with Jarrett, and Ginn for that matter. I personally have watched Jarrett and Ginn in most of their games, and I love what I've seen from both. I honestly don't see how anybody who has watched either of these two significantly can doubt their rare abilities.

By the same token, I haven't seen much of Bowe or Meachum, so I would definately have to say I prefer Jarrett and Ginn, but I do not comment on Bowe or Meachum by spewing conjecture based on things written by the so called draft gurus.

Lets hope the guys that love Bowe and Meachum as much as I love Jarrett and Ginn are correct about their respective abilities. That would mean that there are four big time WR prospects that could help us.

I do think it's reasonable to state that Jarrett would be very close to C.J. as a prospect if he also ran a 4.4, infact sportcenter actually posed this question during the season after one of Jarrets prolific games with a "who's the best receiver in the country?" segment featuring Calvin Johnson and Dwayne Jarrett. There was some excellent debate on the subject by the "experts".

 

[Alexander]

Among Jarrett's 41 TD catches, how many were man vs zone?

And if you could break that down a little further were they vs press coverage, off man, cover 2, cover 3, etc, etc.

Please enlighten us.

It's just another myth perpetuated by people who have overanalyzed what is a very good football player. Chris Houston "shut him down"? Well, Chris Houston is a good cornerback, isn't he? Daymeion Hughes? Same thing. Jarrett also abused Leon Hall vertically. I guess he cheated his way to get separation then. Eleven catches and 205 yards against a very good corner and defense. But he can't run a good 40. Nevermind then.

Bowe and Meachem both were very much one year wonders. I will say I have seen neither one literally take over a game like Jarrett did in the Rose Bowl.

I take production each and every time.

Someone mentioned Emmitt Smith earlier.

Sometimes overanalysis leads to very foolish decisions.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Speed may be an issue, but anyone who thinks this guys hands are "questionable" are smoking the good stuff....guy has about the best pair of mits in the draft.

 

[jobberone]

I don't see the risk. Ginn is more of a risk due to injuries IMO, but then we all have our own opinions. I just really think that Jarrett is going to be good from the get go.

Well you may be right. I wouldn't bet against you. He has size and pedigree.

I think many WRs are a risk in round one. Johnson belongs and I can't argue well that Jarrett doesn't altho he's clearly not in the same league as Johnson.

My problem with Jarrett is speed. Or lack thereof. There are too many WRs with speed who are not a lot smaller. If I had no clear #1 or #2 WRs on my team like Philly, I'd go for him at the bottom of round one. But not at 22 for us.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

it's all about preference really, if you like the strong, possession guy who will do anything, then you choose a Jarrett, or a Bowe, if you want a potential game-breaker, you take a Ginn, or Meachem

if you found what you like in a receiver, go for it

I hate the big arguments over prospects where the seperation isn't that great

 

[tyke1doe]

Anquan Boldin 4.72?

Boldin was recovering from injury when he posted that time.

 

[theogt]

It's just another myth perpetuated by people who have overanalyzed what is a very good football player. Chris Houston "shut him down"? Well, Chris Houston is a good cornerback, isn't he? Daymeion Hughes? Same thing. Jarrett also abused Leon Hall vertically. I guess he cheated his way to get separation then. Eleven catches and 205 yards against a very good corner and defense. But he can't run a good 40. Nevermind then.

Bowe and Meachem both were very much one year wonders. I will say I have seen neither one literally take over a game like Jarrett did in the Rose Bowl.

I take production each and every time.

Someone mentioned Emmitt Smith earlier.

Sometimes overanalysis leads to very foolish decisions.

Dwayne Bowe

2004
39 for 597 yards. 5 TDs.

2005
41 for 710 yards. 9 TDs.

2006
65 for 990 yards. 12 TDs.

That's not exactly a one year wonder. That's a steady growth in production for a guy who, up until 2006, was damn near legally blind.

 

[5mics]

http://nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts

Look on the gray panel on the right side.

April 12th?! Jeeesus, the guy sprains a foot and it takes him 3 months to get well enough to workout?! 3 months in the NFL is like missing 10-12 games and (note to Ginn, Jr.)they also HIT HARDER in the pros. Anyone else have worries about this? Still want to pick-up a potential "pretty boy" w/ our 1st?

I'm going to have to re-evaluate Jarrett though. That's just too slow for even me to justify using our 1st rounder as it stands. Maybe if we dropped down in the 1st round; then I could see us taking him BUT not at #22.....

 

[5mics]

I think every time someone mentions Mike Williams, I'll just throw out Larry Fitzgerald's name, because he ran a 4.63 at the Combine, but was taken very high because of his college production. That seemed to work out pretty well.

Did he really? Wow, didn't hear that. I'd gladly trade our #22 for Fitzgerald. What did he run in his pro-day or private workouts?

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Well you may be right. I wouldn't bet against you. He has size and pedigree.

I think many WRs are a risk in round one. Johnson belongs and I can't argue well that Jarrett doesn't altho he's clearly not in the same league as Johnson.

My problem with Jarrett is speed. Or lack thereof. There are too many WRs with speed who are not a lot smaller. If I had no clear #1 or #2 WRs on my team like Philly, I'd go for him at the bottom of round one. But not at 22 for us.

Too many people here don't seem to get it. And I am not sure why. If you cant separate from NFL corners , you'd better be a hell of a route runner and have good hands.

He has average hands and his routes are not precise. He would be a good pick, just not at 22.

His most famous play was getting ran down by a Notre Dame CB on Leinart's famous 4 down conversion in South Bend. And Notre Dame's secondary had absolutely no speed.

 

[jobberone]

Too many people here don't seem to get it. And I am not sure why. If you cant separate from NFL corners , you'd better be a hell of a route runner and have good hands.

He has average hands and his routes are not precise. He would be a good pick, just not at 22.

His most famous play was getting ran down by a Notre Dame CB on Leinart's famous 4 down conversion in South Bend. And Notre Dame's secondary had absolutely no speed.

I agree. If a player has production in college you have to look at it. But you have to also look at speed as well.
Every DB in the NFL is going to have 4.4 or 4.5 speed.

If you're going to draft a possession WR then my opinion is to not use a round one pick. They can be had later on.

If you're going to draft a WR in the first then he needs to clearly be a superior athlete. It's too risky to be drafting WR's in the first with 4.7 speed. There are too many LBs that run faster now.

That's not saying a slow WR can't be successful. But I say get them in the later rounds.

 

[TOOMBS]

April 12th?! Jeeesus, the guy sprains a foot and it takes him 3 months to get well enough to workout?! 3 months in the NFL is like missing 10-12 games and (note to Ginn, Jr.)they also HIT HARDER in the pros. Anyone else have worries about this? Still want to pick-up a potential "pretty boy" w/ our 1st?

I'm going to have to re-evaluate Jarrett though. That's just too slow for even me to justify using our 1st rounder as it stands. Maybe if we dropped down in the 1st round; then I could see us taking him BUT not at #22.....

Wow, way to jump to conclusions. He must be a wimp, right?...wrong.

He would be stupid to workout injured...it doesn't mean he CAN'T workout.
Let's see.... work out hurt and get a 4.6 in the 40 and lose millions of $ and prove you are tough, or wait til you are 100% and run a 4.3? What would you do?

 

[Concord]

Wow, way to jump to conclusions. He must be a wimp, right?...wrong.

He would be stupid to workout injured...it doesn't mean he CAN'T workout.
Let's see.... work out hurt and get a 4.6 in the 40 and lose millions of $ and prove you are tough, or wait til you are 100% and run a 4.3? What would you do?

Exactly.

Sure he may have dropped some because he hasn't worked out yet...But if he has a good or great workout he'll jump right back up to where he was before...or higher.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Wow.....I thought Jarrett would be better then the 2nd rd for sure.

 

[Doomsday101]

Dwayne Jarrett has also ran times of 4.57. Out of all the WR in this draft he would not be my 1st choice but I also do not think he will be a bad choice.

 

[carphalen5150]

Too many people here don't seem to get it. And I am not sure why. If you cant separate from NFL corners , you'd better be a hell of a route runner and have good hands.

He has average hands and his routes are not precise. He would be a good pick, just not at 22.

His most famous play was getting ran down by a Notre Dame CB on Leinart's famous 4 down conversion in South Bend. And Notre Dame's secondary had absolutely no speed.

Your criticism is part fiction, part sour grapes. Earlier in your analysis you said he was Keyshawn without the hands, now he has average hands...wondering where you are getting this from? Every game I watch he was like a vacuum making all the catches and draft pubs rave about his big soft hands as well.

Check out the 2:40 mark of the video. Here is the catch against ND where he is getting "run down" by the ND DBs. You'll notice he gets bumped off his stride by the DB. You can say he was run down...I just see a guy making a clutch play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-3KeMA21bc

Lastly...now he is not a precision route runner? Where are you getting this? I have not seen that as a criticism except from you. What makes you say that>

 

[Tristan]

To state that Jarrett has "average hands" is an obvious sign that you have know reason to be posting about this player, because you have not watched him play.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Your criticism is part fiction, part sour grapes. Earlier in your analysis you said he was Keyshawn without the hands, now he has average hands...wondering where you are getting this from? Every game I watch he was like a vacuum making all the catches and draft pubs rave about his big soft hands as well.

Check out the 2:40 mark of the video. Here is the catch against ND where he is getting "run down" by the ND DBs. You'll notice he gets bumped off his stride by the DB. You can say he was run down...I just see a guy making a clutch play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-3KeMA21bc

Lastly...now he is not a precision route runner? Where are you getting this? I have not seen that as a criticism except from you. What makes you say that>

Keyshawn in my opinion has great hands. Sure he has had his share of big drops but he uses his body effectively to create separation from his opponents. He just doesnt look fluid when he carries his weight in routes. Looks slow out of breaks. A QB has to put in right on his numbers or up high to get it to him. If Jarrett can master the art of positioning his body in front of the defender and has a QB that can use his strengths (his height) to his teams advantage, he can truly be effective.

I just dont think he is #22 material. A first round WR is has to be able to create separation with his speed. Since he is lacking in the speed department, he has to work extra hard to refine his route running to compensate for his lack thereof. Not saying he wont or cant, but he already is behind the power curve.

I still think he was run down. Sure there was some contact but anyone with a second gear would have taken that the distance.

He will be a productive WR if he is used properly but he wont be a game breaker. And a first round WR should be just that or potentially be one.

I've seen alot of USC games including when he abused Leon Hall , but again I just dont like it at #22. John David Booty put the ball right on him though so you have to give him credit as well. Steve Smith looks better than Jarrett did anyway.

Time will tell anyway. He could be Plaxico Burress or Mike Williams. He won't however be Randy Moss.

 

[carphalen5150]

Keyshawn in my opinion has great hands. Sure he has had his share of big drops but he uses his body effectively to create separation from his opponents. He just doesnt look fluid when he carries his weight in routes. Looks slow out of breaks. A QB has to put in right on his numbers or up high to get it to him. If Jarrett can master the art of positioning his body in front of the defender and has a QB that can use his strengths (his height) to his teams advantage, he can truly be effective.

I just dont think he is #22 material. A first round WR is has to be able to create separation with his speed. Since he is lacking in the speed department, he has to work extra hard to refine his route running to compensate for his lack thereof. Not saying he wont or cant, but he already is behind the power curve.

I still think he was run down. Sure there was some contact but anyone with a second gear would have taken that the distance.

He will be a productive WR if he is used properly but he wont be a game breaker. And a first round WR should be just that or potentially be one.

I've seen alot of USC games including when he abused Leon Hall , but again I just dont like it at #22. John David Booty put the ball right on him though so you have to give him credit as well. Steve Smith looks better than Jarrett did anyway.

Time will tell anyway. He could be Plaxico Burress or Mike Williams. He won't however be Randy Moss.

Come on man...he took Hall to school, but it was Booty who should get the credit? He dominated that game. Smith ran faster, so now he looks better. Makes perfect sense...never mind the production.

I know...everyone wants that game breaking guy, but there is value in a guy who moves the chains, picks up yards in chunks, and is a end zone advantage. I just think he is a huge value at 22.

 

[CATCH17]

If Ted Ginn would be available I would be tempted to grab him. He is an excellent receiver.

He is an excellent talent. Not quite polished enough to say excellent receiver though.