NFL.com-- The "Moneyball" Stats of the NFL-- Cowboys in the middle

[Temo]

Put simply, take the amount of committed money by NFL clubs (ie, actual money spent, not salary cap funny money), and divide by the number of wins. Then determine who spends the most on winning.

The Cowboys spent more money than any other team (last 5 years):
Team Dollars, in millions 1. Cowboys $566.89 2. Seahawks $552.42 3. Commanders $547.37 4. Colts $532.77 5. Vikings $526.87 6. Texans $522.23 7. Saints $518.49 8. Steelers $516.69 9. Panthers $516.09 10. Patriots $513.31 11. Raiders $513.21 12. Ravens $507.05 13. Browns $506.43 14. Cardinals $505.30 15. Lions $505.04 16. Jets $502.53 17. Rams $502.08 18. Dolphins $500.56 19. Giants $497.63 20. Eagles $495.75 21. Bears $495.57 22. Falcons $493.07 23. Bengals $491.06 24. 49ers $486.40 25. Chargers $485.46 26. Broncos $485.40 27. Bills $493.71 28. Jaguars $480.06 29. Titans $465.29 30. Packers $457.16 31. Chiefs $451.58 32. Buccaneers $449.00
But they were reasonably successful, placing in the middle of the league in money spent per win:

Team Wins Committed Cash Cost Per Win 1.) Patriots 63 512.31M 8.14 M 2.) Colts 63 532.77 M 8.44 M 3.) Chargers 54 485.46 M 8.99 M 4.) Steelers 56 516.69 M 9.22 M 5.) Broncos 47 485.40 M 10.37 M 6.) Giants 47 497.63 M 10.58 M 7.) Jaguars 45 480.06 M 10.66 M 8. ) Eagles 46 495.75 M 10.77 M 9.) Bears 45 495.57 M 11.01 M 10.) Packers 41 457.16 M 11.15 M 11.) Panthers 45 516.09 M 11.46 M 12.) Ravens 44 507.05 M 11.52 M 13.) Titans 40 465.28 M 11.63 M 14.) Bucs 38 449.00 M 11.81 M 15.) Seahawks 45 552.42 M 12.27 M 16.) Falcons 41 493.07 M 12.07 M 17.) Cowboys 46 566.89 M 12.32 M 18.) Vikings 41 526.87 M 12.85 M 19.) Bengals 38 491.05 M 12.92 M 20.) Jets 37 502.53 M 13.58 M 21.) Bills 35 483.71 M 13.82 M 22.) Chiefs 32 451.58 M 14.11 M 23.) Saints 36 518.49 M 14.40 M 24.) Commanders 38 547.37 M 14.40 M 25.) Cardinals 34 505.30 M 14.86 M 26.) Dolphins 31 500.56 M 16.14 M 27.) Texans 31 522.23 M 16.84 M 28.) Browns 28 506.43 M 18.08 M 29.) Rams 27 502.08 M 18.59 M 30.) 49ers 25 486. 40 M 19.45 M 31.) Lions 21 505.04 M 24.04 M 32.) Raiders 20 513.21 M 25.66 M

Edit: Sorry for formatting, go here for cleaner versions:
http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/06/26/moneyball-nfl-style/
http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/06/29/more-moneyball-the-economics-of-wins-and-losses/

 

[Temo]

It looks like cash spent by team in the NFL is way less disparate than in other sports, which is expected.

For example, the New York Yankees are spending $206.8 million in 2009 on their big league club, while the Florida Marlins are spending $35.5 million. The Yankees are thus spending 483% more than the Marlins-- and that doesn't even include luxury tax money and money used for prospects. The standard deviation of big league payrolls is $34,676,116.

Meanwhile, the Dallas Cowboys only spend about 26% more than the Bucs, and the league as a whole has a standard deviation of $5,344,109 per year.

 

[Tovya]

Nice numbers.

But I wonder what the salary-spent to profit numbers are? I mean, merchandise sales, TV shows, etc, etc.

Aren't the Cowboys still the most profitable all around franchise in the NFL?

 

[Rampage]

that's because Jerry use to be stingy with his money towards contracts for players and coaches. now he overpays for every single player we have right now.

 

[CATCH17]

that's because Jerry use to be stingy with his money towards contracts for players and coaches. now he overpays for every single player we have right now.

I think a lot of that had to do with being so strapped for all those years by the salary cap.


The only thing that could have got us through all that was a real coach and a real GM.

We had neither.


But luckily money free'd up and we got Big Bill.

 

[Rampage]

I think a lot of that had to do with being so strapped for all those years by the salary cap.


The only thing that could have got us through all that was a real coach and a real GM.

We had neither.


But luckily money free'd up and we got Big Bill.

he was stingy when he 1st bought the team.

 

[superpunk]

that's because Jerry use to be stingy with his money towards contracts for players and coaches. now he overpays for every single player we have right now.

Wow. "Every single player we have right now". Every one. Not a single bargain on the roster, or even anyone who is simply getting paid what they are worth.

Statements like that ooze intelligence.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Wow. "Every single player we have right now". Every one. Not a single bargain on the roster, or even anyone who is simply getting paid what they are worth.

Jay Ratliff... Clearly not worth his contract.

 

[Rampage]

Wow. "Every single player we have right now". Every one. Not a single bargain on the roster, or even anyone who is simply getting paid what they are worth.

Statements like that ooze intelligence.

Ratliff was a bargain so far. so far Roy Wi11ams is extremely overpaid as is Barber. the jury is still out on Romo. he will overpay Ware for sure. Ken Hamlin is overpaid as is Newman. our whole o-line hasn't earned there fat contracts. Owens was overpaid as was our former fat safety. Jerry gives out big contracts too quickly(Romo,Barber,Roy,Owens).

 

[superpunk]

Ratliff was a bargain so far. so far Roy Wi11ams is extremely overpaid as is Barber. the jury is still out on Romo. he will overpay Ware for sure. Ken Hamlin is overpaid as is Newman. our whole o-line hasn't earned there fat contracts. Owens was overpaid as was our former fat safety. Jerry gives out big contracts too quickly(Romo,Barber,Roy,Owens).

I don't feel like shredding this to pieces right now, but can we assume that this is you backing off of your totallistic "omg guyz jerry overpays EVERY SINGLE player we have right now" statement?

 

[AdamJT13]

Those charts probably are pretty misleading. To measure it properly, you'd have to include some money spent six, seven, eight (or more) years ago, too. If a team signed their best player to a huge contract with a huge signing bonus six years ago, the signing bonus wouldn't count in those charts, but they'd still have that player and wouldn't have the cap room that was used up by the prorations of that bonus.

 

[Rampage]

I don't feel like shredding this to pieces right now, but can we assume that this is you backing off of your totallistic "omg guyz jerry overpays EVERY SINGLE player we have right now" statement?

imo most of the players with big contracts are overpaid on this team. no, not EVERY SINGLE player is overpaid(man you guys hang on every word on this website) but most of them are. feel free to shred away.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

imo most of the players with big contracts are overpaid on this team. no, not EVERY SINGLE player is overpaid(man you guys hang on every word on this website) but most of them are. feel free to shred away.

how's the search going?

 

[Rampage]

how's the search going?

just started looking a little bit yesterday.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

just started looking a little bit yesterday.

dude...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Moneyball is a book about the approach the Oakland A's took towards the baseball FA market during the 90s to remain competitive during an age that saw the Yankee's and Red Sox with payrolls about 5 times as big as theirs.

The premise was that the old way of viewing statsitcs like batting average and stolen bases was antiquated and little to no basis for correlation to winning. Instead they valued stats like OBP and Slg over the traditional stats and it payed dividends.

This list is nothing like that discussion.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Moneyball is a book about the approach the Oakland A's took towards the baseball FA market during the 90s to remain competitive during an age that saw the Yankee's and Red Sox with payrolls about 5 times as big as theirs.

The premise was that the old way of viewing statsitcs like batting average and stolen bases was antiquated and little to no basis for correlation to winning. Instead they valued stats like OBP and Slg over the traditional stats and it payed dividends.

This list is nothing like that discussion.

Exactly. This thread title (not OP's fault, but that idiot La Canfora) got me excited to see some new football stats, but I was disappointed. Do fans of the Bucs really care that they spent the least money? Wouldn't they rather spend more for winning more?

 

[Temo]

Exactly. This thread title (not OP's fault, but that idiot La Canfora) got me excited to see some new football stats, but I was disappointed. Do fans of the Bucs really care that they spent the least money? Wouldn't they rather spend more for winning more?

Just for the record, I post stuff from people even if I don't agree with what they say. This is what I wrote over on FO where it was first posted:

"Furthermore, since all the teams spend similar amounts of money (see below), this seems more of a list of winning teams than economical teams."

I was however pretty interested in how much different teams "actually" spent.

By the way, another Commander fan over there really seemed to dislike the author:

I am so relieved that JLC left his beat covering the Skins. But there's the downside that he will likely be linked to by FO with some regularity.
Oh well. I suppose I'd rather have occasional, NFL-based JLC than 24/7, Commanders-based JLC. In a just world he'd be out on his *** by now, but what are you going to do.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Exactly. This thread title (not OP's fault, but that idiot La Canfora) got me excited to see some new football stats, but I was disappointed. Do fans of the Bucs really care that they spent the least money? Wouldn't they rather spend more for winning more?

Not only that, how does it correlate to amount of cap room they have? Dallas has hardly had a problem with that over the years whereas the Bucs had an issue with that back in the Gruden era and the Titans under Floyd Reece had major issues with the salary cap. The same could be said about the Falcons a couple of years ago.

It's very difficult to provide stats that mean anything when it comes to football and the ones that do pretty much give a good ballpark but are far from fact or direct/indirect correlation. I have an O-Line statistical ranking system that gives a decent ballpark, but even I understand and freely admit the many flaws to the system. Unfortunately people like La Canfora would rather just ignore it.




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