NFL commisioner tells Vick to stay away from training camp *MERGE*

[Tass]

Can't....... breathe....... please........stop...............

Why was that funny?

 

[iceberg]

Wow. The NFL investigating criminal activities on its own? Geez. This is getting silly.

why do people have such a hard time seperating the two.

1) legal system bound to.
2) NFL code of conduct bound to.

these are DIFFERENT "rules" a pro athlete must face. you don't wanna face 'em, then don't sign an NFL contract that stipluates a "code of conduct" which really has nothing to do with the "legal" aspect that can coincide with these as well.

 

[burmafrd]

You have the lawyers and the waanabe's who just cannot keep from trying to protect and find excuses for the thugs of society. Who cares what lawyers think?
By the way- the NFL has had its own investigators for DECADES. AT least since the 60s. I am suprised at the IGNORANCE of our lawyers here.
I thought IGNORANCE was no defense?

One more time: the NFL is not the messed up legal system of the US. Its a corporation that has as its primary interest insuring its profitability. Vick is a THREAT to that profitability. So they will take action.
If you lawyers don't like it - WHO CARES?

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Can he visit as a fan?

I will buy him some popcorn.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

I must ask you now,did the 30 dogs buried in the yard of Vick's house get their due process?
Uh Dude you cannot be THAT ...........................................Nevermind
Dogs do not get due Process Will you People please grow the @#$! up. Please It's getting sad now.

 

[dargonking999]

I must ask you now,did the 30 dogs buried in the yard of Vick's house get their due process?
Uh Dude you cannot be THAT ...........................................Nevermind
Dogs do not get due Process Will you People please grow the @#$! up. Please It's getting sad now.

I think you're asking the wrong person to grow up my friend.

 

[theogt]

You have the lawyers and the waanabe's who just cannot keep from trying to protect and find excuses for the thugs of society. Who cares what lawyers think?
By the way- the NFL has had its own investigators for DECADES. AT least since the 60s. I am suprised at the IGNORANCE of our lawyers here.
I thought IGNORANCE was no defense?

One more time: the NFL is not the messed up legal system of the US. Its a corporation that has as its primary interest insuring its profitability. Vick is a THREAT to that profitability. So they will take action.
If you lawyers don't like it - WHO CARES?

I'm not sure why, but when I read your posts, this is what I picture you looking like:

 

[Vintage]

I'm not sure why, but when I read your posts, this is what I picture you looking like:

Pic is not working...

 

[Hostile]

Pic is not working...

Tip of the day.

If you ever see just a red x instead of a pic, right click on the red x and choose properties and copy the URL into another browser. It will open the pic.

His is the shrew mother from "Throw Mama From the Train."

 

[peplaw06]

Pic is not working...

It's like the ending of the Sopranos. Up for your interpretation....

I interpret it like this.

 

[Vintage]

Tip of the day.

If you ever see just a red x instead of a pic, right click on the red x and choose properties and copy the URL into another browser. It will open the pic.

His is the shrew mother from "Throw Mama From the Train."

I did and I got a invalid link when I did it.

So I thought I copied and pasted it wrong.

So I did it again and got the same thing.

 

[superpunk]

Tip of the day.

If you ever see just a red x instead of a pic, right click on the red x and choose properties and copy the URL into another browser. It will open the pic.

His is the shrew mother from "Throw Mama From the Train."

What if you're using firefox, and you don't see anything at all?

 

[Vintage]

burm?

 

[Stautner]

That is the best thing to do...

But? What about the courts? He's not guilty yet...?


j/k


Things will work out...one way or the other!

This actually fits exactly with what I have been saying - some of the pressure is relieved and the league gets the time it needs to get comfortable with the facts before taking severe action.

Sorry, but I just think this is so dumb.

Goodell's basically saying, "I don't know what happened, but while I investigate it myself, you sit out. I'm going to err on the side of punishing you."

He strikes me as very arrogant. "The criminal justice system will determine if you're guilty, but it's MY responsibility to determine if you violated my policies."

Who's looking out for the players against the NFL? I'm not a fan of Bryant Gumbel, but his comments re: Gene Upshaw seem more and more valid every day.

Goodell's job is to protect the NFL - period. HE has to be careful how he does things, but his first priority is to find the best way within his power to protect the league - including its image.

This is the best course of action for the reason I mentioned above.

Wow. The NFL investigating criminal activities on its own? Geez. This is getting silly.

this isn't new, don't know why you're suprised

You guys are taking this wrong - the NFL is not conducting a full scale criminal investigation, they are only investigating this to the extent they need to feel comfortable if Vick violated league policies.

 

[dargonking999]

Tip of the day.

If you ever see just a red x instead of a pic, right click on the red x and choose properties and copy the URL into another browser. It will open the pic.

His is the shrew mother from "Throw Mama From the Train."

Dude you're so freaking smart, im like so i awe of you,

i think you just make me wanna scream

 

[peplaw06]

Goodell's job is to protect the NFL - period. HE has to be careful how he does things, but his first priority is to find the best way within his power to protect the league - including its image.

Who or what says he has to be careful about the way he does things? Seems to me he's got pretty much free reign to do whatever he wants, under the guise of, "protecting the NFL." What's the check on him?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Well, the post that got burma attacked was accurate. (BTW, I thought the personal attacks weren't allowed here?)

But he's right. Why is it so hard to separate the U.S. justice system from the NFL? These owners have BILLIONS invested. Advertisers pay a fortune to be associated with the league and the players. The league isn't going to stand by and let its image be ruined by a few bad apples.

And if someone thinks that's so horribly unfair, they can go play in Canada, or go get a regular job.

Bottom line, playing in the NFL isn't a right. It's a privilege. And avoiding being indicted by a federal grand jury isn't too much to ask.

 

[Vintage]

Well, the post that got burma attacked was accurate. (BTW, I thought the personal attacks weren't allowed here?)

But he's right. Why is it so hard to separate the U.S. justice system from the NFL? These owners have BILLIONS invested. Advertisers pay a fortune to be associated with the league and the players. The league isn't going to stand by and let its image be ruined by a few bad apples.

And if someone thinks that's so horribly unfair, they can go play in Canada, or go get a regular job.

Bottom line, playing in the NFL isn't a right. It's a privilege. And avoiding being indicted by a federal grand jury isn't too much to ask.

Then why hasn't Goodell taken action?

Suspended him for training camp. Yawn.

Suspend him for the season. If all he needs to do a suspension is proof that he is causing the NFL negative press, then do it. Its clear Vick is causing negative press; the imbeciles that are PETA are proof positive of that.

Why hasn't Goodell done anything?

 

[theogt]

Well, the post that got burma attacked was accurate. (BTW, I thought the personal attacks weren't allowed here?)

But he's right. Why is it so hard to separate the U.S. justice system from the NFL? These owners have BILLIONS invested. Advertisers pay a fortune to be associated with the league and the players. The league isn't going to stand by and let its image be ruined by a few bad apples.

And if someone thinks that's so horribly unfair, they can go play in Canada, or go get a regular job.

Bottom line, playing in the NFL isn't a right. It's a privilege. And avoiding being indicted by a federal grand jury isn't too much to ask.

Because when the NFL investigates and basically finds him guilty (i.e., by forcing him out of the league), then it prejudices any criminal trial he may have.

Can the NFL do it? You betcha. No one questions that.

Should the NFL do it? I really don't think so. Is it so hard to just let the judicial system play itself out? If the criminal sanctions are insufficient punishment, in the Commissioner's eyes, then go after him. Fine him. Cut him. Tell him his grandmother smells like urine. Whatever. Just let the government do it's job without screwing with the whole process. No one is defending Mike. No one is saying he shouldn't be punished. No one is confusing the difference between the NFL and the criminal systems.

But some people can't seem to comprehend this simple little point. Why is that hard so damned comprehend?

 

[Vintage]

Because when the NFL investigates and basically finds him guilty (i.e., by forcing him out of the league), then it prejudices any criminal trial he may have.

Can the NFL do it? You betcha. No one questions that.

Should the NFL do it? I really don't think so. Is it so hard to just let the judicial system play itself out? If the criminal sanctions are insufficient punishment, in the Commissioner's eyes, then go after him. Fine him. Cut him. Tell him his grandmother smells like urine. Whatever. Just let the government do it's job without screwing with the whole process.

Is that so hard to comprehend?

My guess is that Goodell was forced into the decision.

He was getting negative press.

He decided to suspend Vick for training camp.

That'll deter people that will....

I am not sure, to be fair, what Goodell should have done. The best scenario would have been for Vick to step away on his own accord and let this investigation take place. I am guessing Vick didn't want to; hence Goodell's proclamation. Goodell did not want to hear backlash, so he suspended him before he committed to saying whether or not he'd go after Vick.