NFL Implements New Ball Handling Procedures

[ActualCowboysFan]

So that's why you look at the most significant pieces of evidence. On one hand you have texts which could be interpreted a bunch of different ways, and on the other hand you have the actual forensic evidence of how much the balls deflated. Which of those 2 would you consider more significant?
Exactly, which is why this random testing will be so interesting. If the results show that the Patriots deflation that night is 100% in line with what happens in other NFL games in similar weather, that's some pretty hard evidence that they did nothing wrong. I'd say hard facts and hard data is a bit more significant than vague text messages where the star QB got a little mixed up about the identity of the part time locker room attendant, wouldn't you?

I invited the folks in the other thread (in the main forum) to do the math and apply the Ideal Gas Law to determine what science says a ball should deflate by in a 20 degree drop when it starts with a gauge reading of 12.5. For some reason, no one has accepted my challenge, but I invite you to do the same.

Yeah man. Deflator was just a nickname he earned during his weight loss.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

haha. Rogah is only happy if he's talking about his beloved Pats & dogging a Cowboy...same ole!

 

[Rogah]

The Colts balls were tested within seconds of the Pats balls and both were tested well into the 13 minute halftime. Plenty of time for both to warm up inside a bag.

That's not true. The Patriots balls were all tested first, then reinflated, which took up most of halftime. The reason why they only tested 4 Colts balls is because they ran out of time and had to get back to the field.

If your theory was true then NE balls would have registered higher readings as they warmed up but the results showed the opposite to be true. The reading were getting lower at they went on.

The Patriots balls were measured at virtually the exact same time as each other. Then they were all reinflated. Then, about 10 minutes after the Patriots balls were measured, the Colts balls were measured.

Of course all this ignores the ridiculous fast-food, slick-***, Persian Bazaar manner (2 cents to A Few Good Men) in which the whole thing was conducted in the first place. Relying on Andersen's memory for the things that makes NE look bad, but discarding his memory for the things that might help exonerate them.... Comparing 11 balls for NE to a sample of 4 for Indy.... having absolutely nothing formally recorded beforehand.... the lies the league office told, both on the record and off. If they did that to the Cowboys, your head would explode.

 

[Rogah]

haha. Rogah is only happy if he's talking about his beloved Pats & dogging a Cowboy...same ole!

I was waiting for my little puppy dog to follow me around like she always does. Surprised it took you this long..... I have to tighten the leash!

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

of all the homers Rogah you take the cake.

I wonder just how you can look yourself in the face when spewing all the BS.

You so carefully ignore Brady's lies. You so carefully ignore your teams past cheating. Which means you will NEVER get any benefit of the doubt and deservedly so. Once a cheater ALWAYS a cheater. And your truly ridiculous claims as regards physics (which clearly are about as understandable to you as the darkside of the moon) is just the cherry on top.

So apparently you arent concerned with fairness and the integrity of the game either . . . . . .

 

[Rogah]

 

[Nightman]

That's not true. The Patriots balls were all tested first, then reinflated, which took up most of halftime. The reason why they only tested 4 Colts balls is because they ran out of time and had to get back to the field.
The Patriots balls were measured at virtually the exact same time as each other. Then they were all reinflated. Then, about 10 minutes after the Patriots balls were measured, the Colts balls were measured.

Of course all this ignores the ridiculous fast-food, slick-***, Persian Bazaar manner (2 cents to A Few Good Men) in which the whole thing was conducted in the first place. Relying on Andersen's memory for the things that makes NE look bad, but discarding his memory for the things that might help exonerate them.... Comparing 11 balls for NE to a sample of 4 for Indy.... the lies the league office told, both on the record and off. If they did that to the Cowboys, your head would explode.

That is just factual incorrect. The report says the Pat balls were re-inflated after testing the 4 Indy balls and the 4 Indy balls were tested seconds after the Pats balls. They only tested 4 Indy balls because time was running low and they were all within range.

Once re-inflated, they were put back in the bags and brought outside.

They were immediately brought back into the locker room and tested after the game and none lost pressure.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...ots-mike-pereira-changes-to-game-balls-072615

Anyone truly interested in a fair outcome for the New England Patriots would be very interested in seeing the results of the random testing which theoretically will be conducted in a wide variety of weather conditions this upcoming season.

Anyone truly interested in just hating on and punishing New England will simply resume as normal.

***** You .... NFL!

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

"It would really be something if these new procedures reveal that footballs routinely lose some air pressure during games, and that the whole Deflategate “scandal” was the result of nothing more than footballs losing a little air because they were used in a game." - Michael David Smith, in the understatement of the decade

Tom Brady admitted in 2011 that he likes 'the deflated ball'

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24980832/tom-brady-in-2011-i-like-deflated-footballs

Send text to deflator: deflate balls now!

 

[Nightman]

If you are going to make a graph don't lie about easily accessible numbers.

8 of the Pats ball tested below that chart line above at 11.30psi. Some were as low as 10.5psi and 5 below 11psi.

How is that science????

 

[burmafrd]

Just fun to watch Rogah twist in the wind and used as a piñata

 

[Rogah]

That is just factual incorrect. The report says the Pat balls were re-inflated after testing the 4 Indy balls and the 4 Indy balls were tested seconds after the Pats balls. They only tested 4 Indy balls because time was running low and they were all within range.

Oh really? Where does it say that?

 

[joseephuss]

So then what exactly is the problem here?

There is no problem. While we can expect some deflation to occur naturally due to changes in weather conditions, the data still suggests some tampering with the footballs did occur. Throw in the lie from Brady not knowing McNally, the communication between Brady and the trainers, the nicknames of the trainers and Brady's unwillingness to fully cooperate with the investigation and it points that the Patriots did tamper with the footballs.

 

[Nightman]

Oh really? Where does it say that?

pages 66-73 of the Wells report

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2073728-ted-wells-report-deflategate.html

 

[Rogah]

If you are going to make a graph don't lie about easily accessible numbers.

Um, I didn't make that graph. The American Enterprise Institute, a Washington DC based think-tank which focuses primarily on economic and public policy, made that report and that infographic.

8 of the Pats ball tested below that chart line above at 11.30psi. Some were as low as 10.5psi and 5 below 11psi.

How is that science????

Each ball was tested twice, using different gauges. They took the average of the 2 readings for each ball. No single ball averaged 10.5 or lower, and only 2 balls averaged below 11.0. In fact, of the 22 readings, only 1 reading was 10.5 - not "some" as you ignorantly claim.

Good Lord people, disagreement is fine, but I am getting pretty sick of having to hold your hands and baby you through things that have been talked about in the media for months.

 

[Rogah]

There is no problem. While we can expect some deflation to occur naturally due to changes in weather conditions, the data still suggests some tampering with the footballs did occur.

No it really doesn't. Clearly you're not understanding the data.

 

[Rogah]

pages 66-73 of the Wells report

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2073728-ted-wells-report-deflategate.html

There is nothing on those pages which says what you say it says. Furthermore, not all the Colts balls were within range. 3 of the 4 balls had at least 1 reading where they were below range, and 1 of the balls had an average which was below range.

 

[joseephuss]

No it really doesn't. Clearly you're not understanding the data.

I understand the data just fine. I also understand all the other aspects. They all work together.

 

[Rogah]

I understand the data just fine. I also understand all the other aspects. They all work together.

Well, in any logical analysis, real world data would take a much, much higher level of importance than vaguely worded and mildly inconsistent text messages.

 

[joseephuss]

Well, in any logical analysis, real world data would take a much, much higher level of importance than vaguely worded and mildly inconsistent text messages.

As I have already said, the data is important. I am not ignoring the data at all. I have logically looked at the data and it shows that the pressure in the footballs drops more than just what would be expected from due to weather conditions.