News: NFL making changes to game ball security procedures

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Well, according to Rogah that means you're a hater who doesnt care about the integrity of the game. If you're not willing to completely exonerate the Cheatriots of everything you dont truly care about the games integrity.
Is there some reason you're absolutely terrified of what the results of the forthcoming random testing will show?
 

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Is there some reason you're absolutely terrified of what the results of the forthcoming random testing will show?

I have never been terrified of any results . We already know the results from the AFC Cheationship Game. As a matter of fact I havent read one post where anybody was terrified of the "results" except for your posts. You frantically posted for approx 4 months about the innocence of the Deflatriots and how you would accept the findings of the Wells Report, yet the terrifying results were never accepted by you. Ever other poster on this topic has been consistent from day one. Your only consistency on the topic has been a repeated denial of the reality of it all.
 

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I have never been terrified of any results .
Then what will your excuse be when it is established that a 1 to 1.25 PSI drop is perfectly normal given the weather conditions that night?
Ever other poster on this topic has been consistent from day one.
I agree, you've been ridiculously close minded about the whole thing.

Seriously, do the math: Ideal Gas Law tells us that P1/T1 = P2/T2 (where P = Absolute Pressure and T = Temperature in degrees kelvin)

How much air pressure should a football lose when it goes from 70 degrees F to 50 degrees F? I'll even correct your errors and help you come to the right conclusion.
 

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Then what will your excuse be when it is established that a 1 to 1.25 PSI drop is perfectly normal given the weather conditions that night?
I agree, you've been ridiculously close minded about the whole thing.

Seriously, do the math: Ideal Gas Law tells us that P1/T1 = P2/T2 (where P = Absolute Pressure and T = Temperature in degrees kelvin)

How much air pressure should a football lose when it goes from 70 degrees F to 50 degrees F? I'll even correct your errors and help you come to the right conclusion.


Why are you even spouting nonsense about this anymore. You've been proven the fool over and over, and a rude obnoxious one at that.

Those with a brain and common sense knew there was malfeasance all along. You wait for the next move from your cheating idols and follow along like a lapdog, changing and twisting as you go. Not a single person here considers you anything but a loud and woefully wrong sycophant.

Your endless blather only seeks to justify yourself it matters not to anyone else.
 

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Why are you even spouting nonsense about this anymore. You've been proven the fool over and over, and a rude obnoxious one at that.

Those with a brain and common sense knew there was malfeasance all along. You wait for the next move from your cheating idols and follow along like a lapdog, changing and twisting as you go. Not a single person here considers you anything but a loud and woefully wrong sycophant.

Your endless blather only seeks to justify yourself it matters not to anyone else.
If you want to see rude and obnoxious, I suggest you look at your own post. Meanwhile, I'll invite you to do the same math problem I asked the other person:

Ideal Gas Law tells us that P1/T1 = P2/T2 (where P = Absolute Pressure and T = Temperature in degrees kelvin). That's the laws of physics.

How much air pressure should a football lose when it goes from 70 degrees F to 50 degrees F? EDIT: Assume that the initial gauge pressure is 12.5 PSI.
 
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I guess nobody here enjoys math as much as I do. :D

Anyone???
 

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The NFL only checked four of the Colts' balls at halftime, and per Steve McIntyre's analysis, over inflated the NE balls before the start of the second half.

The report issued by the Wells included an accusation that the refs over inflated NE's balls before a Jets game in 2014.
 

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They need to put wireless air pressure sensors in the balls like they have on cars now. They could have a wireless base on the sideline that would monitor the pressure. The base could even send a feed to the network that could show the pressure to the audience.

I have not reviewed the technology used on car tire pressure sensors, but it would probably have to be modified to extend the range between the sensor and the base.

It is a chip depending on weight could throw the balance off but doubtful. The base could be placed near the ball bag or whatever is used to store the balls when not in use so range should not be too much of an issue since it is a field similiar to an RFID field.
 

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It is a chip depending on weight could throw the balance off but doubtful. The base could be placed near the ball bag or whatever is used to store the balls when not in use so range should not be too much of an issue since it is a field similiar to an RFID field.

If they are going to put a chip in the football, it should also be able to record the balls exact location down to the square inch and be able to recall that information. That way the refs can no longer spot the ball wrong and 1st downs and touchdowns are no longer a judgment call. Less human error.
 

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If they are going to put a chip in the football, it should also be able to record the balls exact location down to the square inch and be able to recall that information. That way the refs can no longer spot the ball wrong and 1st downs and touchdowns are no longer a judgment call. Less human error.

While the technology is out there I do not believe system is available that can do it to the inch that would not cost millions and that fact of the matter ball is not round you would need at least few for each end. They can barely get the wireless mics and headsets working on the field during a game.
 

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You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not, however, entitled to your own facts. The Colts balls went down. They did not remain at their pre-game PSI level.

FACT: Patriots balls were measured to where science predicts they should have been.

Deflategate_infographic_b.jpg

Where is this source from?
 

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While the technology is out there I do not believe system is available that can do it to the inch that would not cost millions and that fact of the matter ball is not round you would need at least few for each end. They can barely get the wireless mics and headsets working on the field during a game.

Yeah maybe so. Makes me wonder if we ever actually put a man on the moon.
 

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Where is this source from?
The American Enterprise Institute (a public policy think tank based in Washington DC which tends to lean conservative politically) ran an entire study on the predicted science of the footballs and the flaws in the Wells Report. The first link below gives the opinion piece they wrote for the NY Times. The 2nd link gives the entire report and the 3rd link below gives the corresponding infographic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/opinion/deflating-deflategate.html

https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/On-the-Wells-report.pdf

http://www.aei.org/multimedia/deflategate/
 

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The American Enterprise Institute (a public policy think tank based in Washington DC which tends to lean conservative politically) ran an entire study on the predicted science of the footballs and the flaws in the Wells Report. The first link below gives the opinion piece they wrote for the NY Times. The 2nd link gives the entire report and the 3rd link below gives the corresponding infographic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/opinion/deflating-deflategate.html

https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/On-the-Wells-report.pdf

http://www.aei.org/multimedia/deflategate/

Interesting read. Thanks for posting them.
 

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If they are going to put a chip in the football, it should also be able to record the balls exact location down to the square inch and be able to recall that information. That way the refs can no longer spot the ball wrong and 1st downs and touchdowns are no longer a judgment call. Less human error.

That is a good idea, but it would be much more difficult to implement. The goal line idea is probably more feasible than the 1st down concept. The 1st downs could probably be done with a camera based system. They already have replay guys in the booth. I'm not sure why they are not reviewing where the ball is spotted.
 

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That is a good idea, but it would be much more difficult to implement. The goal line idea is probably more feasible than the 1st down concept. The 1st downs could probably be done with a camera based system. They already have replay guys in the booth. I'm not sure why they are not reviewing where the ball is spotted.

Don't they already do this for reviewing balls and strikes in baseball? I don't watch it. I just think if we have the technology to eliminate human error, we should use it.
 
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