NFL Network critique on the draft... and Matt Mosley Post #18

[InmanRoshi]

The Cowboys are currently having a great fifth round. Only problem is we're still in the third.

There is a reason Mike Lombardi has lost all his NFL jobs.

There is also a reason why Jerry Jones hasnt won a playoff game in 12 years.

 

[jobberone]

It's so incredibly easy to be wrong about draft picks. I don't think its fair to criticize many drafts although obviously some teams are better than others.

 

[TNCowboy]

Clayton amd Mosley are killing our draft too. I'm not surprised at Clayton at all, because he is so uninformed and usually has no clue what he is talking about anyay.

I thought Mosley would be more aggreeable.

 

[lspain1]

I remain perplexed why Dallas didn't use a few picks to move up in the second to get a player they wanted rather than hoping a player would fall to them. We'll see how many of this crop actually make the team this summer.

 

[dbair1967]

you see something there you disagree with? Has Clayton done anything to prove differently the past several yrs? He's pathetic.

There is a reason that ESPN supposedly wants to hire Adam Shefter, and I watched NFLN all weekend and dont recall seeing or hearing anything from Shefter.

As for Mosley, I thought he might rely on his friend Gosselin for some feedback on the draft picks, but apparently I was wrong.

 

[Shinywalrus]

Seriously. This was a below average draft and far below two other teams in our division.
But I know that homers will try to spin it, but that's understandable. I'm sure their are more than a few Raider fans spinning their teams draft too. That's what blind homers do.

Wow. I had to see it to believe it, but there are Cowboys fans the day after the draft, passing judgment to the extent that they are not only critical of the draft, but preemptively critical of any fans who might say something as rational as, "Let's wait and see!"

I mean, I absolutely love it. Someone who thinks he can evaluate the draft the day afterward (read: "Wahhhh, we didn't draft players that I saw on the mock drafts I cobbled together from 100 different mock drafts that other people copied from other people who watched YouTube highlights!") has either the incredible sense of humor or utter stupidity to call someone else "blind!"

Absolutely classic! Mind if we signature this bit of hilarity?

 

[adbutcher]

Last season's draft.

Right between the eyes.:laugh2:

 

[fanfromvirginia]

This draft doesn't do much for the eyeball test. At a quick glance, you can't help but say, "meh."

Am I that pleased with the draft? Not really. I see a few guys that offer potential long term, but I can't help but wonder if the kickoff guy will end up being the most productive guy out of the lot.

With that said, I'm not going to jump off a cliff. Drafts take a while to grade out, and it's just as foolish to crucify the front office for the next five months over what transpired this weekend as it would be to go overboard in praise. How many "great" picks that are praised by Kiper and Co. turn out to be colossal busts? Happens all the time.

Plus, this front office has done pretty darn well in recent years, so I don't know if it's necessarily fair to immediately throw 1995 and 1996 in its face.

But, again, a somewhat blah weekend, but we'll see.

That's pretty much exactly my take as well.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Truth is, a lot of what the Cowboys did was questionable, but in the end, only time will tell if this was a good draft. If Jason Williams plays 250 plays this season, and ends up starting next season. He is a great pick in the third round.

As for Robert Brewster, I seriously doubt he gets any playing time this season. I find that pick (particularly where it was made) quite questionable.

I like both the Deangelo Smith and Michael Hamlin picks.

Victor Hunter I guess I'm ok with, but Brandon Williams is easily a long term project player and the only way I take him in the forth is if he was VERY sought after. He wasn't.

David Buehler I don't get either, but I'm sure they upset some team. Two kickers is never a good idea. If he could do more, but there isn't much he can do. He is already on the kickoff team so you can't expect to use his speed and strengh on kickoff coverage because he will be the last guy down the field. I don't care that they say he played safety and FB. He did that in high school. Anyhow, I would rather the new TE play FB than him. Not a completely useless pick, but the Cowboys threw value in the trash with that pick.

I like the Hodge (for special teams) and Phillips (third TE, ST, H-back) picks.

I love the Mike Mickens pick just for the fact that if he makes it all the way back from his injuries, he is a steal in the 7th round. By using a pick on him, you don't risk not getting him as an undrafted free agent or someone else doing what the Cowboys did. Risking a 7th round pick for a real potential payoff.

As for Manny, I disagree with that pick and I hope I'm wrong. I think he has limited ability in the first place, but the real reason I don't like it is I'm not sure he has much upside on top of that. I think he easily could have been had as a undrafted free agent.

 

[Bach]

Wow. I had to see it to believe it, but there are Cowboys fans the day after the draft, passing judgment to the extent that they are not only critical of the draft, but preemptively critical of any fans who might say something as rational as, "Let's wait and see!"

I mean, I absolutely love it. Someone who thinks he can evaluate the draft the day afterward (read: "Wahhhh, we didn't draft players that I saw on the mock drafts I cobbled together from 100 different mock drafts that other people copied from other people who watched YouTube highlights!") has either the incredible sense of humor or utter stupidity to call someone else "blind!"

Absolutely classic! Mind if we signature this bit of hilarity?

So I take it you think we had a great draft?

 

[Beast_from_East]

Seriously. This was a below average draft and far below two other teams in our division.
But I know that homers will try to spin it, but that's understandable. I'm sure their are more than a few Raider fans spinning their teams draft too. That's what blind homers do.

So giving the scouts that are actually paid to do this for a living the benefit of the doubt and taking a wait and see attitude is being a blind homer???

What do you call guys that think they know more than professional scouts and proclaim they can grade a draft before any of the picks even put on a helmet???

 

[Bach]

So giving the scouts that are actually paid to do this for a living the benefit of the doubt and taking a wait and see attitude is being a blind homer???

What do you call guys that think they know more than professional scouts and proclaim they can grade a draft before any of the picks even put on a helmet???

I heard this argument far too many times from the mid 90's until Parcells arrived. It didn't work then either.

A blind homer is thinking everyone is wrong except those in Valley Ranch.

Now I do like a few of the picks yesterday, but overall this looks to be a below average draft for us and other teams in the division like the Eagles and Giants did much better and it'll pay off for them and hurt us in the future.

 

[YosemiteSam]

A blind homer is thinking everyone is wrong except those in Valley Ranch.

Personally, I think the view that Jerry took going into the draft is that he could draft the next Jay Ratliff, Crayton, Scandrick, and Romo in this draft and drafting in the second round wasn't required to get real talent.

He is right about not having to draft that high, but except for Scandrick, all of those guys to years before they were able to produce.

I think his ego about his abilite to draft definitely hurt the Cowboys this year.

 

[starfrombirth]

Personally, I think the view that Jerry took going into the draft is that he could draft the next Jay Ratliff, Crayton, Scandrick, and Romo in this draft and drafting in the second round wasn't required to get real talent.

He is right about not having to draft that high, but except for Scandrick, all of those guys to years before they were able to produce.

I think his ego about his abilite to draft definitely hurt the Cowboys this year.

Crayton and Ratliff both played significantly their first year and were starting their second years. So your point is.....

 

[skinsscalper]

NFL Draft Scout had Buehler ranked 134th overall and a fourth-round pick. We took him 172nd, at the end of the fifth.

Plus he filled a glaring hole at the PK position..............

 

[DFWJC]

Plus he filled a glaring hole at the PK position..............

Carrying two PKs is not at all a good thing. But Folk is money and if this guy can kick touchbacks routinely, it is probably worth losing the extra roster spot. If he turns out to be a great fieldgoal kicker, Folk could be on the block next year....b/c that exatra roster spot is huge.

 

[kingwhicker]

He doesn't own a team?

Touche.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Right between the eyes.:laugh2:

Maybe we better tap the breaks on how great last years draft was. Some overly enthusiastic people were ready to put Anthony Spencer in the Ring of Honor just because Wade clapped real hard when we drafted him (Wade also nearly soils his boxer briefs when an opposing kicker misses a field goal in preseason games). Scandrick looks like a strong nickel back. Choice looks like a solid backup. Felix Jones showed big play ability ... and also the inability to stay healty despite a miniscule workload .. not a great sign for an undersized back. Mike Jenkins is still extremely questionable. Bennett flashed at times, but also showed immaturity and inconsistency ... pretty much what we expected from him.

Not a horrible draft, it looks like we found a few solid role players, but not exactly one for the ages... especially considering we had 2 first round picks.

 

[Shinywalrus]

So I take it you think we had a great draft?

Nope. I'm skeptical of whether a lot of these guys can make our team, but feel like we did well with the picks we had.

I just absolutely adore the idea of someone who thinks they can evaluate a draft the very next day calling someone a "blind homer." I have a taste for irony, that's all!

 

[InmanRoshi]

Carrying two PKs is not at all a good thing. But Folk is money and if this guy can kick touchbacks routinely, it is probably worth losing the extra roster spot. If he turns out to be a great fieldgoal kicker, Folk could be on the block next year....b/c that exatra roster spot is huge.

Carrying two PKs wouldn't be such a bad thing if we also weren't carrying 3 QBs as well. We're going short somewhere to make the numbers game work. Makes you wonder how many of these mid round LBs are going to make it through their rookie training camp with 3 OLB spots already set in stone with Ware, Ellis and Spencer.