NFL new discipline policy is a joke.

[Faerluna]

Then they should outlaw happiness, and dairy products.

Hey, hey, hey.........dairy products? Let's not get crazy!

 

[DallasEast]

I agree, it isn't logical to compare what Tags didn't do with what Goodell is doing.

I also wouldn't go by what some mediot at BSPN is conjecturing will be the outcome and likely suspension for Vick.

As for Vick, I am not buying his apology. If he were truly remorseful about what he did to those dogs then it would have come out a long time ago. "Oh dang, those punks rolled on me! Now I have no choice but to plea to the Feds myself. OK, I am very sorry, I made some mistakes and some bad choices. I have accepted Jesus and have turned my life around. I hope all those kids out there who idolized me don't do the same things I did. Now when I get out I am going to hunt those muthas who rolled on me down and bust a cap in em!"

Does anyone really buy his weak apology? He is sorry that he got caught. He is sorry that his life is wrecked, for a while. He is counting on America to forgive him like we usually do when people say they are sorry. I could not believe how many people on TV were saying that they believe him because he seemed so contrite and humble and didn't read it from a prepared statement. Bah! He is a scumbag thug and I am not buying his remorse except for getting caught.

What I didn't hear in his apology was his understanding that he was heartless and cruel to those animals. That he was willing to be completely ruthless in killing the ones who didn't perform up to standards. I am not an animal rights person, in fact I don't even have pets, but I would never be so heartless as to intentionally harm a defenseless creature like that. It also shows a heart that is hardened and that has come out in other ares of his life over the last couple of years.

Sorry, I'm not buying it dude.

No one knowingly (in my opinion) violates federal law for several straight years (six, I think) and is truly sorry about the consequences of his or her actions. It's outside the realm of reality. It's like him saying over the years...

"Here's another 5K for that litter of pit bulls that I plan on fighting to the death. Damn, I'm sorry that I'm paying you all this money."

"I sure am sorry that I had those houses painted black. I really am."

"Man, I'm so sorry about that dead dog buried in my yard over there. And that one over there. And that one over there. And that one over..."

"Dog, I am truly sorry about electrocuting you like this. OH! I'm sorry! The pain must be horrible. Here's another jolt."

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[Sarge]

dence or dense?

is dence even a friggin word?

Dents.

 

[Sarge]

I agree, it isn't logical to compare what Tags didn't do with what Goodell is doing.

I also wouldn't go by what some mediot at BSPN is conjecturing will be the outcome and likely suspension for Vick.

As for Vick, I am not buying his apology. If he were truly remorseful about what he did to those dogs then it would have come out a long time ago. "Oh dang, those punks rolled on me! Now I have no choice but to plea to the Feds myself. OK, I am very sorry, I made some mistakes and some bad choices. I have accepted Jesus and have turned my life around. I hope all those kids out there who idolized me don't do the same things I did. Now when I get out I am going to hunt those muthas who rolled on me down and bust a cap in em!"

Does anyone really buy his weak apology? He is sorry that he got caught. He is sorry that his life is wrecked, for a while. He is counting on America to forgive him like we usually do when people say they are sorry. I could not believe how many people on TV were saying that they believe him because he seemed so contrite and humble and didn't read it from a prepared statement. Bah! He is a scumbag thug and I am not buying his remorse except for getting caught.

What I didn't hear in his apology was his understanding that he was heartless and cruel to those animals. That he was willing to be completely ruthless in killing the ones who didn't perform up to standards. I am not an animal rights person, in fact I don't even have pets, but I would never be so heartless as to intentionally harm a defenseless creature like that. It also shows a heart that is hardened and that has come out in other ares of his life over the last couple of years.

Sorry, I'm not buying it dude.

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[Yeagermeister]

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Morning Sarge

 

[Sarge]

Morning Sarge

Morning Yeags...............

 

[superpunk]

No one knowingly (in my opinion) violates federal law for several straight years (six, I think) and is truly sorry about the consequences of his or her actions. It's outside the realm of reality. It's like him saying over the years...

"Here's another 5K for that litter of pit bulls that I plan on fighting to the death. Damn, I'm sorry that I'm paying you all this money."

"I sure am sorry that I had those houses painted black. I really am."

"Man, I'm so sorry about that dead dog buried in my yard over there. And that one over there. And that one over there. And that one over..."

"Dog, I am truly sorry about electrocuting you like this. OH! I'm sorry! The pain must be horrible. Here's another jolt.".

In your opinion, is it possible for someone to know they were doing wrong all those years, but through gradual searing of the conscience, continue to ignore it? Then, when the hammer drops, they really are sorry that they did these things, that they couldn't stop (for whatever reason) and are determined never to do it again?

I think that's possible. I think that's likely. It might not be what happens to the majority, but I'm sure it happens - and I'm sure alot of it is genuine.

 

[Doomsday]

After serving 12 - 18 months in jail, do they really need to suspend Vick? Seems pretty ******** to me.

 

[Echo9]

After serving 12 - 18 months in jail, do they really need to suspend Vick? Seems pretty ******** to me.

Funny the "speculating" on ESPN radio was that it's pretty much a LOCK that he get's another year (minimum) after the jail time.

Goes to show that it's all just conjecture.

 

[DallasEast]

In your opinion, is it possible for someone to know they were doing wrong all those years, but through gradual searing of the conscience, continue to ignore it? Then, when the hammer drops, they really are sorry that they did these things, that they couldn't stop (for whatever reason) and are determined never to do it again?

I think that's possible. I think that's likely. It might not be what happens to the majority, but I'm sure it happens - and I'm sure alot of it is genuine.

In a word?

Nope.

 

[joseephuss]

Why shouldn't Vick's suspension or part of it run concurrently with his prison sentence? If the NFL gives him only one year, why should it be this year. If they give him 5, then the 1st will be at the same time he is in jail. The point is he won't be playing whether he is in jail or not. What if George Bush steps in on December 11th and grants Vick a full pardon? No jail time, but the league could still punish him for a year or two or three.

Also, the Briggs car incident just happened and all the facts have yet to come out. At least give it some time to see what happens if anything. Maybe he will get suspended if he is found to actually be involved and to what extent.

 

[superpunk]

In a word?

Nope.

So they just shoot out of the womb ready to murder puppies?

 

[DallasEast]

So they just shoot out of the womb ready to murder puppies?

SP, you didn't phrase your question to include amoral newborn children. :nono2:

 

[superpunk]

SP, you didn't phrase your question to include amoral newborn children. :nono2:

ok...when does the switch flip? Kindergarten? If it's not gradual, and they're not just suppressing their conscience, when does this transformation go down?

 

[Yeagermeister]

Same song different verse :abuseme:

 

[DallasEast]

ok...when does the switch flip? Kindergarten? If it's not gradual, and they're not just suppressing their conscience, when does this transformation go down?

SuperPunk, where is this kindergarten stuff coming from? This is what you asked:

In your opinion, is it possible for someone to know they were doing wrong all those years, but through gradual searing of the conscience, continue to ignore it? Then, when the hammer drops, they really are sorry that they did these things, that they couldn't stop (for whatever reason) and are determined never to do it again?

I don't get it. I only referred to the info of Vick being involved in dogfighting for approximately six years as an adult. Why are you talking about rug rats?

 

[superpunk]

That wasn't all bolded intially, DE - only the first sentence. That's what I was talking about.

If you don't think that's possible, that's ok.

I just don't see how you can rule that out. (See: King Manasseh)

 

[DallasEast]

That wasn't all bolded intially, DE - only the first sentence. That's what I was talking about.

If you don't think that's possible, that's ok.

I just don't see how you can rule that out. (See: King Manasseh)

You're right about what I had initially had in bold. I corrected it shortly afterwards.

I just don't think that was the case with Vick. If it were someone else, my opinion may be different. I don't know.

 

[superpunk]

You're right about what I had initially had in bold. I corrected it shortly afterwards.

I just don't think that was the case with Vick. If it were someone else, my opinion may be different. I don't know.

That's fine.

Maybe you know Vick better than I do. : We're not on good enough terms for me to make that call.

In any case, his apology is what it is. It's meant to be accepted, that seems to be the right thing to do. Only time will tell if it was sincere.

 

[DallasEast]

That's fine.

Maybe you know Vick better than I do. : We're not on good enough terms for me to make that call.

SUPERPUNK!!!

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