NFL PA Statement

[bsbellomy]

I understand what you're telling me and appreciate the guidance. But what the NFL wants isn't particularly interesting to me, as I think that is quite transparent. I am interested in the reasons folks are arguing that somehow Elliott's public defense must not in any way "shame" his accuser. Must he then accept his "shame" as the price of... of I am not quite certain.

So you don't care what the NFL wants in his response but you do care how they feel how they care about his current response? The NFL is basically saying, "we have this info already and releasing it for public consumption is doing nobody any good. Bring us new info that responds to our findings".

EDIT: I re-read your post and I guess you're concern is the reaction here about how Zeke's response can be considered shaming? I'm with you there I don't see one shred of shaming in his response. I think only the people that already have their minds made up are saying that though.

 

[Corso]

We'd all love for none of this -- whatever this is -- to have happened. But this is life; the real world. Some of us have seen similar circumstances too many times to be overly shocked. But we are still saddened. Consider these arguments --

We cannot shame the accuser on the strength of her past actions and poor conduct.

We can assume the accused is guilty on the strength of his past actions and poor conduct.

See what we did there?

I shamed nobody. I just said I hate this and wish this wasn't happening.

 

[Echo9]

I have an agenda? I hope Zeke is innocent because I want him on the field. I doubt he is innocent.

I have a few straight-forward questions for you based on your doubt of his innocence. While I can understand that coming to a 100% percent conclusion that Zeke innocent in not possible at this time, I ask if you've spent any significant time taking in the numerous pieces of clear and hard evidence that this situation is about a blatant attempt to get money from Zeke. That she was dumped and saw her path to the easy life shut down. That she is out for revenge for losing that money?

• Did you read through the text messages that have become public record? The texts that don't just insinuate, but clearly read that she had intent to "ruin his life" in response to ending the relationship.
• That she asked a friend to lie to the police for her? That her friend admitted this attempt to make her lie to the police.
• The articles laying out the timeline where these responses from her were a reaction to Zeke ending the relationship?
• The harrasment claim Zeke needed to file against her?
• The newer discovery of text messages regarding how she considered blackmailing him with the release of a sex tape so she could be rich?
• The multiple eyewitness accounts of her getting in a fight with another woman at a bar at the same time the pictures of bruises were taken?

I ask because I want to know how you can look at this situation and look at the facts, and still lean towards Zeke being an abuser rather than her being an extorter. How?

 

[Shake_Tiller]

So you don't care what the NFL wants in his response but you do care how they feel how they care about his current response? The NFL is basically saying, "we have this info already and releasing it for public consumption is doing nobody any good. Bring us new info that responds to our findings".

I want to be clear. Long before the Elliott case and long before Elliott entered the NFL, probably when he was in high school, in fact, I lost confidence in the ability of the NFL to investigate and adjudicate these incidents. So no, I don't care what the NFL says, does or thinks. But I do hope both the accuser and the accused have an equal opportunity to make their case in the only court that really matters to this corrupt football league -- that of public opinion.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

I shamed nobody. I just said I hate this and wish this wasn't happening.

I agree. That certainly wasn't aimed at you, and I apologize that by quoting your post I left it open to question.

 

[Corso]

I agree. That certainly wasn't aimed at you, and I apologize that by quoting your post I left it open to question.

Not a problem buddy. Not one at all.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Well doesn't the fact that he wasn't prosecuted tell you something? I mean if the NFL wasn't involved wouldn't this be a non-issue? Sorry I keep questioning you but I'm not sure what you are getting at. It's not like he was unfairly jailed or something. Are you talking about the court of PUBLIC OPINION?

Yes. Apart from the fact we are Cowboys fans, what is more important, the outcome of six football games or the lifelong reputation of a human being?

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I get what you are saying, but even in the NFL's response they noted to Zeke there are injuries to the accuser that he cannot explain. And it seems his defense thus far has not been to explain those injuries. Now maybe it's coming, but his team did not start with their focal point. I'm pretty sure they already knew her credibility was ****, but that still doesn't wash away the part of their findings that they are basing their decision on.

By the way, I think people were hoping for a more pronounced and active denial. Google "mcgregor responds to racism claims", that's the kind of response I would expect (if he's innocent).

Innocent until proven guilty. If he didn't do it then how should he know? She could have gotten that anywhere considering her anger issues.

 

[bsbellomy]

Yes. Apart from the fact we are Cowboys fans, what is more important, the outcome of six football games or the lifelong reputation of a human being?

You know I'm sure the people Zeke cares about and the people that care about him will be able to move past this no matter the outcome. Unfortunately, you are correct anyone without a dog in this fight is just going to assume he is guilty as long as he serves punishment for it. It's a harsh reality of the society we live in.

 

[bsbellomy]

Innocent until proven guilty. If he didn't do it then how should he know? She could have gotten that anywhere considering her anger issues.

Yeah, I'm just hoping you aren't expecting him to receive a reduced suspension with that logic.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

You know I'm sure the people Zeke cares about and the people that care about him will be able to move past this no matter the outcome. Unfortunately, you are correct anyone without a dog in this fight is just going to assume he is guilty as long as he serves punishment for it. It's a harsh reality of the society we live in.

Agreed, and this is why we should hope he is allowed a level playing field while fighting to preserve his reputation as well as possible.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Yeah, I'm just hoping you aren't expecting him to receive a reduced suspension with that logic.

No I'm not. I don't think he's getting a reduced sentence unless the NFL just wants it to go away. And if they continue to insist that he accept a decision that declares him guilty of DV, If I was him I'd still fight it. Now this is if he is innocent and only Zeke and the woman know the truth.

 

[Corso]

Yes. Apart from the fact we are Cowboys fans, what is more important, the outcome of six football games or the lifelong reputation of a human being?

This is real.

You know I'm sure the people Zeke cares about and the people that care about him will be able to move past this no matter the outcome. Unfortunately, you are correct anyone without a dog in this fight is just going to assume he is guilty as long as he serves punishment for it. It's a harsh reality of the society we live in.

You do something to others, you should better expect something coming to you, in some shape, or form- especially when you are on the cusp of major monetary success.

He didn't? Then that's a damn shame. Too bad he's made himself look like an *** to women in public, which didn't help his case that he KNEW was going on at the time.

His judgement is the real issue and it's a problem to us cowboys fans. He's an early 1st round pick and close to losing his NFL career. That is the bigger concern.

 

[bsbellomy]

Yes. Apart from the fact we are Cowboys fans, what is more important, the outcome of six football games or the lifelong reputation of a human being?

You know Zeke could mitigate some of this. He could hold a press conference and profess his innocence, and publically call her by name to take her to task for challenging his character, and compromising his livelihood. You better believe if I was innocent I would be doing that.

 

[Corso]

You know Zeke could mitigate some of this. He could hold a press conference and profess his innocence, and publically call her by name to take her to task for challenging his character, and compromising his livelihood. You better believe if I was innocent I would be doing that.

Too late for that. The public opinion is set with his stupid behavior since that incident. Be true, homie.
He done ***** up and he did it more than once when he should have been laying low on the perm.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

You know Zeke could mitigate some of this. He could hold a press conference and profess his innocence, and publically call her by name to take her to task for challenging his character, and compromising his livelihood. You better believe if I was innocent I would be doing that.

And that's what I like about Michael Irvin., Whenever he was accused he came out and denied it strongly. Now Zeke did come out and denied it last year but I think he's listening to his lawyers now.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

You know Zeke could mitigate some of this. He could hold a press conference and profess his innocence, and publically call her by name to take her to task for challenging his character, and compromising his livelihood. You better believe if I was innocent I would be doing that.

Or you might be too scared and angry to speak, or at least to feel confident that you can articulate your position without putting your reputation and livelihood at further risk.

 

[bsbellomy]

This is real.

You do something to others, you should better expect something coming to you, in some shape, or form- especially when you are on the cusp of major monetary success.

He didn't? Then that's a damn shame. Too bad he's made himself look like an *** to women in public, which didn't help his case that he KNEW was going on at the time.

His judgement is the real issue and it's a problem to us cowboys fans. He's an early 1st round pick and close to losing his NFL career. That is the bigger concern.

No one is perfect my man. Have you ever done anything you've had to apologize for? These guys are human just like the rest of us, no matter how much we want them to live to a higher standard. The overwhelming odds are that he'll serve some suspension and learn from it, and be smarter about what he does in his free time.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Too late for that. The public opinion is set with his stupid behavior since that incident. Be true, homie.
He done ***** up and he did it more than once when he should have been laying low on the perm.

And I think that's the main reason the public and the media hasn't been on his side. The guy should have been laying low during all this.

 

[ShortRound]

NFL should have just stated if it's good enough for the police its good enough for them and left it alone. This is gonna snowball and get out of control.