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And that may be true. It doesn't change the fact that the Nielsen ratings system is antiquated and the poll people are citing has no merit. I'm arguing those points because I'm correct on those points. If a million people say they are not watching now because of an issue, fine. I'm not going to argue that. But don't expect to cite a poll where they called 841 random people and asked them to guess why ratings are down and not have me question the validity of said poll. People in this thread are doing that.
The ratings are the poll and they are way down across the board....that is real

You might not want to believe why they are down but people are telling you.......you and Goodell don't have to listen......the ostrich defense is effective
 

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Please cite the actual poll that backs up what you are saying.

The Seton Hall poll that I provided a link to, which you appear to be citing yourself without actually checking, does not back up your interpretation.

I'm not doing your research for you. The fact that the anthem is negatively affecting the ratings for the NFL is clear to all but the small minority that are on board with it, which is why it's hilarious that they continue to come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories for something that is so obvious and just generally act confused.
 

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The ratings are the poll and they are way down across the board....that is real

You might not want to believe why they are down but people are telling you.......you and Goodell don't have to listen......the ostrich defense is effective

Want has nothing to do with it, I don't care why they are down, or if they even really are. I have no vested interest, so why would I want to believe anything?

The Nielsen's are broken, the poll is ludicrous. You might not want to believe it - you don't have to listen - the ostrich defense is effective.
 

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Want has nothing to do with it, I don't care why they are down, or if they even really are. I have no vested interest, so why would I want to believe anything?

The Nielsen's are broken, the poll is ludicrous. You might not want to believe it - you don't have to listen - the ostrich defense is effective.
I doth think he protests too much
 

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I'm not doing your research for you. The fact that the anthem is negatively affecting the ratings for the NFL is clear to all but the small minority that are on board with it, which is why it's hilarious that they continue to come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories for something that is so obvious and just generally act confused.

You incorrectly cited a poll, I provided a link to the poll showing that you don't know what you are citing, you don't like it anymore. Too bad. It's not about you doing any research for me, you were wrong and you don't want to simply say it. My position is on the poll, not the anthem. I'm not discussing the anthem.

I discussed the Nielsen's and their methodology, and the fact that according to them tv watching in general is down about 10% from a year ago. I discussed the poll and the obvious flaws in it. You quoted me and said there was a Seton Hall poll - I had already provided the link to that exact poll. So you are trying to argue a position when I haven't taken the opposite position (the anthem), and on the other hand you are trying to use a poll that I am arguing against without arguing for its validity (the exact thing I'm questioning). It seems as if you are the one who is confused.

TLDR: Don't cite a poll without even knowing what they asked, and don't make up stuff to support your position.
 

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You incorrectly cited a poll, I provided a link to the poll showing that you don't know what you are citing, you don't like it anymore. Too bad. It's not about you doing any research for me, you were wrong and you don't want to simply say it. My position is on the poll, not the anthem. I'm not discussing the anthem.

I discussed the Nielsen's and their methodology, and the fact that according to them tv watching in general is down about 10% from a year ago. I discussed the poll and the obvious flaws in it. You quoted me and said there was a Seton Hall poll - I had already provided the link to that exact poll. So you are trying to argue a position when I haven't taken the opposite position (the anthem), and on the other hand you are trying to use a poll that I am arguing against without arguing for its validity (the exact thing I'm questioning). It seems as if you are the one who is confused.

TLDR: Don't cite a poll without even knowing what they asked, and don't make up stuff to support your position.

I know what the poll says. I heard CBS talking about it this morning. You dentying it doesn't change anything, including the fact that the racist protesters piss a majority of people off, and it's negatively affecting ratings. Enjoy being in the minority.
 

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I doth protest he thinks too little.

Edit: And for the record it's 'Methinks he doth'
Actually it is......"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."....that is why I changed it as I didn't think you identify as the female gender
 

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That's interesting. I was wondering if anyone actually knew people who'd stopped watching, and what their reasons were.

I'd say these people are somewhere between casual and intermediate fans.

Second on the list was ongoing mishandling of DV.
 

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Ratings are way up outside the US - growing exponentially. More than making up for the US decline.
 

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There are many reasons....American Flags, penalty flags, challenge flags

Target lost 10 billion because of protests....don't underestimate how mad some people are....not the ones on TV but the people disgusted by their actions

Michael Sam, Richie Incognito, Deflategate, Dean Blandino, Bountygate, Roger Goodell, Greg Hardy, concussion overload, Ray Rice, Cam Newton, Josh Gordon, London games, flag fests, commercial fest, fantasy football obsession, uniform chaos, NFLPA idiocy.....

But the real issue, I think, is just bad football and bad rules. About 25 teams absolutely suck, and nobody knows a silly catch is anymore.
 

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I'd say these people are somewhere between casual and intermediate fans.

Second on the list was ongoing mishandling of DV.

Actually, it's the opposite. Hardcore fans are no longer catered to. It's all about your administrative assistant's fantasy football roster now.
 

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Thursday night games are definitely bad, first off I don't like night games period - most people I know don't. It was one thing when there was a MNF game and it was a big deal, but then they added SNF which is pointless, and finally started shoving TNF down our throats. So add in the fact that there are too many night games, combine that with some brutal games being played on Thursday night and the viewership on those games has to be ridiculously low.
I don't think the Sunday night game would be so bad if they moved it up an hour. That hour and a half wait after the afternoon games are over is brutal.
 

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I thought long and hard before I responded to this and I want to be very clear that in this thread I am not attempting to argue the merits of the anthem protests or of those who are protesting the NFL. I am merely providing an observation that differs from some of those that have been posted to this thread. I will ignore any and all responses to my post that attempt to argue the merits of either side.

The anthem issue is meaningless to the ratings and is just brought up by fans who don't agree with the issue
I heard on the radio this morning that NFL ratings are down about 12% across the board and I find it hard to believe that the anthem protests doesn't play some sort of role in those numbers. I'm sure there is a multitude of contributing factors, it's an election year and we have a couple of extremely polarizing candidates, the Cubs and Indians in the world series is an interesting storyline, there is no more Manning vs Brady, but in my little slice of the there are a lot of people who are simply choosing not to watch games because of the anthem issue.

I have numerous friends and relatives who are either active military or former military and the vast majority of those in my circle are protesting the NFL this year. It's a silent protest, meaning they are not taking to social media , burning things, or trying to draw attention to themselves in any way. They are just not watching/following NFL on TV, radio, internet or news. I'd say somewhere in the neighborhood of 65 percent of my friends and family are boycotting the NFL. If I extend this to co-workers then I'd say that number probably drops to 25%. I'm not trying to imply that this is representative of the of all of America because I know it's not, but from where I sit it's hardly insignificant.

The fans IMPACTED by the anthem...are not "true" football fans.
I don't know what your definition of "true" fans is so I won't dispute that. What I do know is that the people I'm referring to above are fans of football and prior to the protests were watching games on tv, attending games in person and buying merchandise.

That's interesting. I was wondering if anyone actually knew people who'd stopped watching, and what their reasons were.
Absolutely. I think the most encompassing explanation that I've heard from any of them is that they feel that while Kaepernick and others do have a right to use their platform to bring attention to a cause, they are doing so in a manner that they feel is disrespectful to another group of people (veterans).

While some of the disgust/anger I see is directed at Kaepernick and the other players, a lot of it is directed at the NFL as an organization. They aren't just boycotting San Francisco and Seattle games, they are boycotting all things NFL. Further fuel was added to the flames when some of them found out that the NFL stepped in when the Cowboys were wearing stickers in support of the police because they were worried about offending another group and yet has, for the most part, remained silent about this.
 

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Again, a few reasons for this

1. NFL is in a bit of a transition right now, big draw players are either injured or at the end of their careers. The young faces of the NFL aren't doing so well, Luck, Newton, Rodgers.
2. Cord cutting
3. Political climate, this shouldn't be surprising. It's getting people quite cynical right now, it's a heated climate and the football season is in the final stretch of the election. Politics > Football games, in terms of importance
4. Poor matchups (Not entirely the NFL's fault, you can't predict good/bad teams unless they are the Browns)

The NFL is fine, a few new stud players will pop up and fans will attach to them with love/hate. Even with numbers being down, the NFL is still a juggernaut.
 

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as a cubs fan, I watched the football game. commercials were too in sync too, so I did not see much of the baseball game
Also a Cubs fan, watched mostly football, mainly because I expected a cub loss..now I'm sure they'll take it to 7 games and lose in some extreme way
 

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Again, a few reasons for this

1. NFL is in a bit of a transition right now, big draw players are either injured or at the end of their careers. The young faces of the NFL aren't doing so well, Luck, Newton, Rodgers.
2. Cord cutting
3. Political climate, this shouldn't be surprising. It's getting people quite cynical right now, it's a heated climate and the football season is in the final stretch of the election. Politics > Football games, in terms of importance
4. Poor matchups (Not entirely the NFL's fault, you can't predict good/bad teams unless they are the Browns)

The NFL is fine, a few new stud players will pop up and fans will attach to them with love/hate. Even with numbers being down, the NFL is still a juggernaut.

Every juggernaut peaks.
 

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The NFL reportedly took another hit on Sunday in terms of its ongoing ratings problem.

According to Austin Karp of the Sports Business Daily (h/t Sports Illustrated's Richard Deitsch), FOX's broadcast of Game 5 of the MLB's World Series had more viewers than NBC's Sunday Night Football. The Chicago Cubs and Cleveland Indians drew a 15.3 overnight rating, which was 32 percent higher than the rating for the clash between the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles (11.6).

This is a surprising revelation, as the Week 8 matchup between the Cowboys and Eagles may have been NBC's most interesting matchup of the 2016 season. It featured two competitive teams with huge fan bases and rookie stars at the quarterback position, battling for supremacy in the NFC East — a division in which all four teams are .500 or better.

It was an entertaining game, too. Cowboys rookie running back Ezekiel Elliott clashed with Philadelphia's ferocious defense, finishing with nearly 150 yards of offense. Assisted by a fake punt in the second half, Dallas staged a late-game comeback to stun the Eagles in overtime, as Dak Prescott continued his winning ways by finding veteran tight end Jason Witten in the end zone for a walk-off touchdown.

The World Series game was just a more engaging contest for many Americans.

http://dal.247sports.com/Bolt/World...-Sunday-Night-Football-in-TV-ratings-48647042
 
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