NFLPA looking to end OTAs

[cowboyblue22]

sounds like a good idea to me once they start dont have a six week break in between ota and training camp

 

[Chasing6]

Im wasnt giving my opinion as a fan. i dont care if they have no ota or training camp. Play 18 games is all I care about. im talking from management perspective. the union doesnt just decide what they do.

And you think the players will actually like to have less work time? I would have ever guessed that....smh

Like most Unions today, they pretend to represent the employee, when behind the scenes they are usually working for a win-win with Management.

 

[KJJ]

I would be in favor of longer training camps over OTAs. There’s too much down time after OTAs before camp starts. The players probably need a longer break after the season ends, especially the teams that go deep in the playoffs and end up in the SB. It makes their time off shorter. The longer the season the more time off players need.

 

[Reid1boys]

Like most Unions today, they pretend to represent the employee, when behind the scenes they are usually working for a win-win with Management.

BS. Have you sat in on union negotiations with management? I have.

 

[Air Force One]

Won’t be long and NFL players will be drafted to play Madden. I bet people would still pay to go to the stadium and watch it on the Jumbotron while the players play the video game on the fifty.

 

[calicowboy54]

End of OTAs? The NFL Players Association is working to finalize a proposal to overhaul the offseason starting as soon as 2025, eliminating voluntary on-field work in the spring in favor of a longer training camp ramp-up, with players reporting in mid-June to early July, per sources.

Honestly if they let them do Start in Late June early July for a 3 week ramp up then start hard hitting 2 weeks before 1st of 3 games i say thats fine. in total they would be doing 2 and a half months pre-season work before the start of the season. Some still will need to be at the facilites lifting and keeping weight in check before start of the 10 week camp.

 

[speedkilz88]

Won’t be long and NFL players will be drafted to play Madden. I bet people would still pay to go to the stadium and watch it on the Jumbotron while the players play the video game on the fifty.

I sure wouldn't.

 

[HungryLion]

Yes the NFLPA...lots more money and less work.

Two additional games that count. Plus one less team per conference getting a bye in the playoffs.

The owners asked for this by pushing for more meaningful games.

 

[DAL1180]

Two additional games that count. Plus one less team per conference getting a bye in the playoffs.

The owners asked for this by pushing for more meaningful games.

Yeah well the players wants less and less work. No 2 a days. No tackling. More walk throughs than actual padded practices. But every player has to be the highest paid at their position. That's not on the owners. And they will get their usual compensation if and when they have to play another game.

 

[Teague31]

Great. More income for big and little. Means even less incentive for them to care about winning

 

[HungryLion]

Yeah well the players wants less and less work. No 2 a days. No tackling. More walk throughs than actual padded practices. But every player has to be the highest paid at their position. That's not on the owners. And they will get their usual compensation if and when they have to play another game.

The point is, more work is being added on one end. So the players want less on the other. 2 extra game is 2 more meaningful games and Plays, 2 more weeks of practice, preparation, travel, etc.

Both the owners and the players want this. It ain’t just the players.

Plus if you actually read the details you would see that the proposal extends training camp.

 

[Chasing6]

Honestly if they let them do Start in Late June early July for a 3 week ramp up then start hard hitting 2 weeks before 1st of 3 games i say thats fine. in total they would be doing 2 and a half months pre-season work before the start of the season. Some still will need to be at the facilites lifting and keeping weight in check before start of the 10 week camp.

Pretty sure the owners and the Union are not going to agree to something they don't think will work.

 

[DAL1180]

The point is, more work is being added on one end. So the players want less on the other. 2 extra game is 2 more meaningful games and Plays, 2 more weeks of practice, preparation, travel, etc.

Both the owners and the players want this. It ain’t just the players.

Plus if you actually read the details you would see that the proposal extends training camp.

I read the proposal. And the bad football we see early in seasons is due to the reduced amount of practice allowed both in training camp and in season. Walk throughs and shells versus pads and full contact. Just making camp longer without more work leaves us right where we are now. And saying the owners want less practice is laughable. It was a item the NFLPA wanted that the owners agreed to during negotiations. To get something they wanted. So both sides "win" while the fans lose at least early in the season.

 

[HungryLion]

I read the proposal. And the bad football we see early in seasons is due to the reduced amount of practice allowed both in training camp and in season. Walk throughs and shells versus pads and full contact. Just making camp longer without more work leaves us right where we are now. And saying the owners want less practice is laughable. It was an item the NFLPA wanted that the owners agreed to during negotiations. To get something they wanted. So both sides "win" while the fans lose at least early in the season.

The owners want more games. This is a natural effect of that. If they keep expanding the length of the season, of course adjustments to the offseason calendar is going to have to be made.

 

[Jumbo075]

The owners want more games. This is a natural effect of that. If they keep expanding the length of the season, of course adjustments to the offseason calendar is going to have to be made.

The owners want to make more money, of course. But so do the players. The players get a share of revenue, so more money for the owners also means more money for the players. Let's not pretend that isn't true.

I think what is being debated is how to do that in a way that benefits both sides, and yet preserves the health of the players. I wouldn't necessarily mind putting a cap on how many games a player can play in during the season. For example, if there is a 16-game cap, you'd need more back-up players ready to play, and the younger players would get more of an opportunity to play in real games. It might make the game more strategic from a coaching standpoint. When do you rest the 1st team players? How do you rotate them so everyone gets at least 2 games off during the year. It might be an interesting twist to add to the NFL.

 

[Bobhaze]

I’m in favor of the players‘ proposal. It would give more time to training camp rather than walk throughs in the spring. Some studying has taken place on this topic regarding injuries and giving the players an uninterrupted off-season break.

With a 17 game season now in place and 18 games surely ahead, any kind of consideration for player health and safety we should all be for. NFL players are THE product. If you don’t think so watch a UFL game.

When it comes to the players vs the owners I‘m with the players. Yes they are well paid but their careers are so brief. The average NFL player has about a 4-5 year career while the owners have a lifetime to make truckloads of money. The players are literally putting their bodies on the line for the game while the owners have an almost zero risk business. The NFL owners practically print money

 

[HungryLion]

The owners want to make more money, of course. But so do the players. The players get a share of revenue, so more money for the owners also means more money for the players. Let's not pretend that isn't true.

I think what is being debated is how to do that in a way that benefits both sides, and yet preserves the health of the players. I wouldn't necessarily mind putting a cap on how many games a player can play in during the season. For example, if there is a 16-game cap, you'd need more back-up players ready to play, and the younger players would get more of an opportunity to play in real games. It might make the game more strategic from a coaching standpoint. When do you rest the 1st team players? How do you rotate them so everyone gets at least 2 games off during the year. It might be an interesting twist to add to the NFL.

I understand all that.

What I’m saying is. This guy is complaining about them wanting adjustments to the offseason schedule. When adjustments to the offseason schedule is a natural consequence of lengthening the regular season and adding more meaningful games.

Of course both parties want more money and adding games is the best way to do that. But we can’t then blame just the players when they need adjustments to the offseason schedule to preserve their health.

 

[conner01]

Certainly true, but in the cases when it’s a new scheme, you’re missing 6-8 weeks to mentally absorb what they learned in OTAs before camp.

Probably not a big deal, but these guys get paid by playing well and earning it. Don’t see how the Union feels as if they are helping their members this way, but maybe the overall sentiment is the veteran players don’t want to be bothered. Although if that’s the case, a longer camp is the trade off. Doesn’t seem to add up…but again, I’m sure there’s plenty I’m missing.

Jeez if anything camp feels like it’s a little long as is. The way I see it (and they do not at all ask me lol), I’d keep rookie camp and mandatory OTAs as is, eliminate the voluntary nonsense, shorten camp by at least a few days, and institute common practice that starters play one half of one preseason game.

Maybe we can get back to hitting the ground running again when the games actually count….but that is absolutely a fan’s point of view, and we will always be last to be considered, although we are the people that fund the entire thing.

I gotta go yell at a cloud.

Seems like it’s more having the off season in full rather than splitting it up betweeen OTA and then camp. Seems like the logic behind the idea. I think you could see a rookie camp still because they have so much to learn. But valid point about a change in scheme

 

[conner01]

Until they make camp voluntary.

There’s no plan to make camp voluntary and that’s not nflpa is asking for. Just instead of OTA then time off before camp. Condense that time into one window which gives more consecutive days off off season

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

There’s no plan to make camp voluntary and that’s not nflpa is asking for. Just instead of OTA then time off before camp. Condense that time into one window which gives more consecutive days off off season

It’s coming. You know it is.

The players are soft these days and if they can get out of practice they will.