NFL's highest-rated passer is a Cowboy

[KJJ]

Touchdowns and interceptions are incorporated in the quarterback rating. Therefore, all else held constant, a higher touchdown to interception ratio would yield a higher QB rating.

TDs and INT's are incorporated into passer rating's but sometimes a quarterback can have more INT's than TD's and still have a high passer rating due to a very high completion percentage.

 

[KJJ]

Romo has had several games over his career where he had a higher passer rating than the opposing QB but still lost. In Romo's 7 elimination games his TD to turnover ratio is 8-12. The only elimination game he won his TD to turnover ratio was 2-0 which was better than the opposing quarterback. His playoff win over Philly in 09 is the only elimination game he's played where he had a positive TD to turnover ratio.

 

[ufcrules1]

I hope all of these great stats can find their way into the playoffs and give us some post season success because over Tony's career, his post season stats don't even come close to his regular season stats. I personally don't care about stats, I care about results in the post season.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I hope all of these great stats can find their way into the playoffs and give us some post season success because over Tony's career, his post season stats don't even come close to his regular season stats. I personally don't care about stats, I care about results in the post season.

This is all you got left, eh? It's great to have you so muzzled at this time of year.

 

[JD_KaPow]

You keep preaching that and we've argued it many times but in my opinion a QB's TD to turnover ratio determines more wins and losses than any other individual stat especially in the playoffs. I'm not about to get into another multi page argument over this so don't even think about it.

Hmm. I was curious, so I looked at all the playoff games and SBs going back to 1983. I've looked only at games where each team had only one QB that threw a significant number of passes, just to make things easier. That's 278 games. In 201 of those, the QB with the better TD/INT ratio won (in another 24, they had identical ratios). In 216 of those, the QB with the better passer rating won.

I adjusted the numbers so that a 0 TD, 1 INT game is better than a 0/2 game and also so that a 2/0 game is better than a 1/0 game. Also, a 0/0 game is the same as a 1/1 game. The results are the same whether you make those adjustments or not: the passer rating identifies the winner more often than the TD/INT ratio.

Now, this doesn't account for QB fumbles. So I checked games where the TD/INT ratio and passer rating were both "wrong" to see if the TD/QB turnover ratio was "right". There were 39 of these games. I checked the most recent 16 of those, and one game flipped (another went from "wrong" to "same"). It's pretty clear to me that TD/QB turnover ratio does not correlate with victory in the playoffs/SB better than passer rating does in any significant way, and in fact the reverse appears to be true.

 

[percyhoward]

TDs and INT's are incorporated into passer rating's but sometimes a quarterback can have more INT's than TD's and still have a high passer rating due to a very high completion percentage.

No way.
39 of 40 320 0td 1int 89.6

 

[JD_KaPow]

No way.
39 of 40 320 0td 1int 89.6

That one's low because of the lack of TDs:

30/40/300/3/4 = 102.1

Doesn't mean that QB TD/QB turnover is a better metric, though.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Sometimes, it is better to tip your cap to the more knowledgeable posters.

 

[joseephuss]

Sometimes, it is better to tip your cap to the more knowledgeable posters.

Thank you.

 

[percyhoward]

That one's low because of the lack of TDs:

30/40/300/3/4 = 102.1

Doesn't mean that QB TD/QB turnover is a better metric, though.

You have 40 completions on 30 attempts there.

Impossible to have a 100+ rating with more int than td, unless your ypa is through the roof.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Tom Brady has thrown 3 INT's in two separate AFC Championship games and won them both.
Ben Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl with a 26 QB rating.
Mark Sanchez has a higher career playoff passer rating than both Mannings and Brady.

Three graphic examples of quarterbacks who have been carried by their teams which ultimately proves it is the ultimate team game.
Tony Romo has had no margin of error nor has he EVER been bailed out of a poor performance.

 

[joseephuss]

Tom Brady has thrown 3 INT's in two separate AFC Championship games and won them both.
Ben Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl with a 26 QB rating.
Mark Sanchez has a higher career playoff passer rating than both Mannings and Brady.

Three graphic examples of quarterbacks who have been carried by their teams which ultimately proves it is the ultimate team game.
Tony Romo has had no margin of error nor has he EVER been bailed out of a poor performance.

Joe Flacco has won playoff games while completing only 9 passes, 11 passes and 4 passes. The game he completed only 4 passes his passer rating was a 10. Your are absolutely correct that the NFL is an ultimate team game.

 

[KJJ]

Hmm. I was curious, so I looked at all the playoff games and SBs going back to 1983. I've looked only at games where each team had only one QB that threw a significant number of passes, just to make things easier. That's 278 games. In 201 of those, the QB with the better TD/INT ratio won (in another 24, they had identical ratios). In 216 of those, the QB with the better passer rating won.

I adjusted the numbers so that a 0 TD, 1 INT game is better than a 0/2 game and also so that a 2/0 game is better than a 1/0 game. Also, a 0/0 game is the same as a 1/1 game. The results are the same whether you make those adjustments or not: the passer rating identifies the winner more often than the TD/INT ratio.

Now, this doesn't account for QB fumbles. So I checked games where the TD/INT ratio and passer rating were both "wrong" to see if the TD/QB turnover ratio was "right". There were 39 of these games. I checked the most recent 16 of those, and one game flipped (another went from "wrong" to "same"). It's pretty clear to me that TD/QB turnover ratio does not correlate with victory in the playoffs/SB better than passer rating does in any significant way, and in fact the reverse appears to be true.

If you went back to 1983 you wasted a lot of time because the rules have changed opening up the passing game which is why 7 of the top 10 all-time passing rating leaders are current QB's. The rule changes have perfected the performance of QB's allowing some very average passers to have higher completion percentages and passer ratings than some HOF QB's. Mark Sanchez had a higher career passer rating with the Jets than Joe Namath. The use of multiple TE's have changed the passing game as has quick slot receivers and big, physical WR's who've created matchup problems. Teams now use the short passing game like the run to move the football which has greatly improved completion percentages. QB's are protected by the rules like never before which has further perfected their stats. Lost fumbles don't count against a QB's passer rating. A QB could lose 2 fumbles costing their team a game but they won't affect their passer rating which makes it a flawed stat. The last 5 SB winning QB's had a better TD to turnover ratio than the losing QB.

You would have to go back to the 08 SB to find a SB winning QB (Roethlisberger) whose TD to turnover ratio was worse than the losing QB Kurt Warner. More is asked of QB's today than 30 years ago so you have to look at the last few years because the game has changed. The #1 stat that determines the outcome of more games is turnovers any player or HC will tell you that. When a QB is throwing more TD's than committing turnovers they'll win more games than they'll lose. Romo has committed 12 turnovers in his 6 elimination game losses. In only ONE of his 6 elimination game losses did he have a better TD to turnover ratio than the winning QB and that was vs Seattle during the 06 playoffs. It's hard to win do or die games in todays NFL when a QB has more turnovers than TD's. Part of why Philly will be sitting home for the playoffs this season is Sanchez' 4-5 TD to turnover ratio in their last 3 games.

If a passer rating carried as much weight as Percy would lead everyone to believe Tony Romo would be the 3rd greatest QB in NFL history. His passer rating this season isn't going to mean much if he doesn't perform to the same high standard in the playoffs. His playoff passer ratings don't come close to measuring up to his regular season passer ratings. In 2012 his lowest passer rating game of the season was vs Washington in week 17 in an elimination game. Everyone knows he's terrific during the regular season but to put an end to the stigma he's been carrying al these years he has to get it done in the playoffs.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Tom Brady has thrown 3 INT's in two separate AFC Championship games and won them both.
Ben Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl with a 26 QB rating.
Mark Sanchez has a higher career playoff passer rating than both Mannings and Brady.

Three graphic examples of quarterbacks who have been carried by their teams which ultimately proves it is the ultimate team game.
Tony Romo has had no margin of error nor has he EVER been bailed out of a poor performance.

It is a time game but Romo IS apart of that time. Sure those defenses were great. And maybe Romo has never had a defense as great as those guys. But he has had some solid defenses. Like I said previously, I don't want to come across as a Romo hater because i'm far from it. I was one of the few here this offseason defending and even if he struggles this year i'll be doing the same. But you guys really make it hard to defend him with some of the things you guys say lol. Its like guys get amnesia when it comes to defending him.

This is the ultimate team game. And in our losses this team lost with ROMO.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

The one real miss was 2007 . We should have at the very least made the Super Bowl . The defense let the giants have a cheap TD before half time. Fasano dropped a TD pass from Romo , and Crayton dropped a perfect pass from Romo in stride. On the last drive the OL got their buts whooped and crayton slowed down on a good pass in the end zone.

 

[greatwallofdallas]

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[JD_KaPow]

If you went back to 1983 you wasted a lot of time because the rules have changed opening up the passing game which is why 7 of the top 10 all-time passing rating leaders are current QB's. The rule changes have perfected the performance of QB's allowing some very average passers to have higher completion percentages and passer ratings than some HOF QB's. Mark Sanchez had a higher career passer rating with the Jets than Joe Namath. The use of multiple TE's have changed the passing game as has quick slot receivers and big, physical WR's who've created matchup problems. Teams now use the short passing game like the run to move the football which has greatly improved completion percentages. QB's are protected by the rules like never before which has further perfected their stats. Lost fumbles don't count against a QB's passer rating. A QB could lose 2 fumbles costing their team a game but they won't affect their passer rating which makes it a flawed stat. The last 5 SB winning QB's had a better TD to turnover ratio than the losing QB.

You would have to go back to the 08 SB to find a SB winning QB (Roethlisberger) whose TD to turnover ratio was worse than the losing QB Kurt Warner. More is asked of QB's today than 30 years ago so you have to look at the last few years because the game has changed.

It's adorable how predictable you are. Passer rating matches SB results equally well in your SB example, and in fact matches better in recent playoff history. But you'll find another way to move the goal posts.

 

[percyhoward]

If a passer rating carried as much weight as Percy would lead everyone to believe Tony Romo would be the 3rd greatest QB in NFL history.

Being the #1 rated passer carries as much weight for Romo in 2014 as it did for Staubach in 1979. The raw rating is meaningless, the ranking is anything but.

Romo has never led the league. Staubach did it four times.

 

[KJJ]

It's adorable how predictable you are. Passer rating matches SB results equally well in your SB example, and in fact matches better in recent playoff history. But you'll find another way to move the goal posts.

You seem to have adopted an agenda the past few days of following me around bent on starting arguments on a variety of topics. The only one who's become predictable is you go waste someone else's time.

 

[JD_KaPow]

You seem to have adopted an agenda the past few days of following me around bent on starting arguments. The only one who's become predictable is you go waste someone else's time.

You make provocative claims, so I check them out. They don't hold water. Oh well.