NFL's highest-rated passer is a Cowboy

[JD_KaPow]

Which is why he's having his best season and hasn't had as many turnovers.

He's had as many turnovers this year as he had last year.

 

[ConstantReboot]

No I didn't say that. I never said Romo was a choker. I said for those that feel he is there's no argument against it. I won't argue it. Do I understand what those stats in the regular season mean? They are meaningless. They don't translate into post season or post season success. You can't be elite without post season success. That's just where and how it is. You don't have to like it but that's just how it is. That goes for any sport. You can't live off of regular season success and then want to be talked about in the same vein as Roethlisberger, Manning, Rodgers, Brees or Brady.

There's no Kool-Aid drinking here. I don't even watch BSPN so I don't know how you can assume that's where my opinions derive from. My opinion of Romo is that he's a great qb and talent. But he lacks the post season success to be talked in the same breathe as some other elite QB's. It will change this year IMO.

And its funny. Earlier this season everyone had this team winning 6 games or less and playing for last place. Now Romo has all this great talent around him lol. Like he had no talent in 2009 or 2007 lol. Fact is, his talent around him is better and he's ALSO better.

I agree with you. Yes your right he hardly has any post-season success to his belt. But I just can't fault him all for that. He had the talent in 2007 and 2009 but it was not a complete team like were seeing now. In 2009, we had an aging oline that could hardly block and hardly any running game. Yet Romo was faulted for that performance. Its true that he lays a dud once in a while and lack postseason success. But this can't all be blamed on Romo can it?

As for Rivers, why does he get a pass? People still place him up there with the great QBs and he has similar stats as Romo. Yet the media seems to label him as a great QB and Romo as a choker.

I think its the talent around him now that makes him better. But it seems thats the only thing we disagree on.

 

[Tawney88]

I've never been one to just want to win for a player. I am a Cowboys fan not a fan of individual players. But I find myself not only wanting the Cowboys to win because I love the Cowboys, but want the Cowboys to win for Tony too. The kid has battered since he has gotten into the league, and been unfairly criticized his whole career.

 

[ManD]

Key is Romo's performance in the post-season. Colts are locked for division title, so no need to impress anyone.

 

[percyhoward]

As much stock as you put into passer ratings...

Highest win correlation of any individual stat. If you think winning is important, you have to recognize how important pass rating is.

 

[KJJ]

He's had as many turnovers this year as he had last year.

Correct but I'm looking at his previous seasons and his 11 turnovers after 14 games played ties his career low after 14 games played. He had 7 turnovers (int's) in 2010 but he only played 6 games that season. The 2011 season was arguably his best statistical season prior to this season and he 13 turnovers that season.

 

[perrykemp]

As for Rivers, why does he get a pass? People still place him up there with the great QBs and he has similar stats as Romo. Yet the media seems to label him as a great QB and Romo as a choker.

River's gets a free pass? If anything, I typically have seen Rivers grouped with Romo as QB who have had great stats but very little playoff success.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

It's like with Manning - you can have awesome passing stats, but until he can add playoff wins and championships to it he's going to get ripped.

Bet Tony would trade the personal stats for a playoff run like Joe Flacco did couple of years ago.

 

[KJJ]

Highest win correlation of any individual stat. .

You keep preaching that and we've argued it many times but in my opinion a QB's TD to turnover ratio determines more wins and losses than any other individual stat especially in the playoffs. I'm not about to get into another multi page argument over this so don't even think about it.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Those claiming Romo is NOT singled out are full of crap. Rivers had a great team earlier in his career - much better than Romo has EVER had. Yet he has NEVER gotten a tenth of the hate Romo has. And Rivers was a high First Round Pick.

I agree and take this to the bank. Matty Ice has had TWO 14-2 teams and NEVER won a playoff game.

You never hear a word about it. Lot's of guys have received passes under Tony's cloud. In fact, I've heard Matt Stafford say being the quarterback of the Cowboys "has to be a lot different."

 

[percyhoward]

You keep preaching that...

It's easily verified by a Google search.

 

[CCBoy]

Percy, the big need for those that argue for an argument's sake, is passing a bar and getting money for it.

 

[KJJ]

It's easily verified by a Google search.

I don't care what Google says a QB's TD to turnover ratio has a bigger impact on games than any other individual QB stat. Look at the winning QB's in the last few SB's the winning QB had the better TD to turnover ratio. Naturally there's exceptions to the rule just like with passer rating stats but nothing determines the outcome of more games than turnovers. When a QB has more turnovers in a game than TD passes it results in more losses than wins especially in the playoffs.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I agree with you. Yes your right he hardly has any post-season success to his belt. But I just can't fault him all for that. He had the talent in 2007 and 2009 but it was not a complete team like were seeing now. In 2009, we had an aging oline that could hardly block and hardly any running game. Yet Romo was faulted for that performance. Its true that he lays a dud once in a while and lack postseason success. But this can't all be blamed on Romo can it?

As for Rivers, why does he get a pass? People still place him up there with the great QBs and he has similar stats as Romo. Yet the media seems to label him as a great QB and Romo as a choker.

I think its the talent around him now that makes him better. But it seems thats the only thing we disagree on.

Yeah I don't fault him solely for his lack of success. Just like I don't credit him solely for our success this year. Its a collective. Romo was a part of that collective though. Just like Witten, Ware, etc. deserve some blame.

And i'm not sure about Rivers. I always sort of thought the praise he got was on the same level as Cutler and Romo. I've rarely heard of Rivers being mentioned with Brady or Rodgers.

 

[percyhoward]

I don't care what Google says.

You could always use some other search engine. Anything worth talking about is worth knowing about, right? People outside this small circle here have looked into the subject in more depth than we ever could.

 

[KJJ]

You could always use some other search engine. Anything worth talking about is worth knowing about, right? People outside this small circle here have looked into the subject in more depth than we ever could.

I focus on the big games playoffs and SB's which I have researched and rarely does the QB with the worse TD to turnover ratio beat a QB with a better TD to turnover ratio.

 

[DFWJC]

Didn't Romo say this preseason we would see the best version of himself?

From now on, believe anything Tony says.

That he did!

 

[big dog cowboy]

Romo 114.4
Rodgers 111.0

Championship?

 

[ConstantReboot]

River's gets a free pass? If anything, I typically have seen Rivers grouped with Romo as QB who have had great stats but very little playoff success.

Compared to how Romo is labelled in the media, he has it pretty easy. Heck, this year people has noted he his back pains as a reason for his slump. No one makes that kind of excuse for Romo. They all just say Romo is being Romo.

 

[Givincer]

I don't care what Google says a QB's TD to turnover ratio has a bigger impact on games than any other individual QB stat. Look at the winning QB's in the last few SB's the winning QB had the better TD to turnover ratio. Naturally there's exceptions to the rule just like with passer rating stats but nothing determines the outcome of more games than turnovers. When a QB has more turnovers in a game than TD passes it results in more losses than wins especially in the playoffs.

Touchdowns and interceptions are incorporated in the quarterback rating. Therefore, all else held constant, a higher touchdown to interception ratio would yield a higher QB rating.