Nick Foles Released **merged**

[endersdragon]

So if we are in the business of going after guys who have had good years under their belt than let's just bring back Matt Cassel. He had a great year. Isn't Michael Vick out there? Matt Hasselbeck wants to give it a go again? Let's just bring all has-beens in because they were good at one point which means they will be good here in Dallas because....well because we are Dallas.


Why do you keep bringing up Kellen Moore? He has nothing to do with how trash Foles is. Moore isn't anything either. Fair enough. There's no argument here about that. The only argument I make is that since both of them are bad i'd rather go with the guy who was bad but in this system then the one that was simply bad.

Being bad in this system is worse than being bad in a Rams system that has no talent. Yea Dez was playing hurt last year, but we still had a 1,000 yard RB and the best o-line in football to go with Moore last year... if you can't get it done with that, you can't get it done at all. What did Foles have last year?

 

[Nightman]

DAL just blatantly writing off the back-up QB is frustrating...we haven't looked at one QB in FA

Guess JJ put all his eggs in the Lynch basket, who still would be a questionable QB2 this year

We have the cap room and one year of Foles will not hurt us at all...next year Dak should be ready

 

[Stash]

Fine, he had a bad season (because throwing 10 picks in 8 games sucks no matter how you slice it) then a really terrible one. I averaged them into two just crappy ones. Happy?

Not really, again, a concerted effort to support an agenda.

If 10 picks in 8 games "sucks no matter how you slice it", what does 7 turnovers in less than 3 games make Kellen Moore?

The guy who replaced him, Case "Who The Hell Is That" Keenum clearly outplayed him on the same team in the same system for the same coach. If Case Keenum was released tomorrow, would you be clamoring for him?

I'd take a look at him too, given the fact that we have a runt-of-the-litter at backup quarterback who has never accomplished anything after four years in the NFL and was serving up turnovers like a popcorn popper when he did play.

 

[wileedog]

Not really, again, a concerted effort to support an agenda.

What possible agenda do I have here? I live near Philly. I've watched a lot of Foles' games. I think he is a bad QB who had a miracle season because Chip's system had a lot of wide open receivers his first year.

That's my opinion, not my agenda.

If 10 picks in 8 games "sucks no matter how you slice it", what does 7 turnovers in less than 3 games make Kellen Moore?

Also bad. I'm not defending Moore. I'm saying Foles is not significantly better and will cost significantly more. And if nothing else Moore is familiar with Linehan's system.

I'd take a look at him too, given the fact that we have a runt-of-the-litter at backup quarterback who has never accomplished anything after four years in the NFL and was serving up turnovers like a popcorn popper when he did play.

I'd take him over Foles as well.

 

[Nightman]

NYJ will have to dump someone maybe Geno Smith or Bryce Petty

 

[Denim Chicken]

Look at it this way:

If both Kellen Moore and Nick Foles were available, who do you think gets hired by NFL Coaches & GMs ?

The mere fact the Foles has been a staring QB--and could very well be again in the near future--should make him the clear choice for a back-up.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Being bad in this system is worse than being bad in a Rams system that has no talent. Yea Dez was playing hurt last year, but we still had a 1,000 yard RB and the best o-line in football to go with Moore last year... if you can't get it done with that, you can't get it done at all. What did Foles have last year?

Well I think the Rams have some talent. I think most would argue that what was holding the Rams back on offense was Nick Foles himself and the offensive scheme.

"Has been" vs "never was", great argument.




You assume that they're equal. And that's not the case at all. However, whenever, wherever he did it, Nick Foles had one of the best seasons a quarterback has ever had in this league. Conversely, Kellen Moore has accomplished nothing in four years.

Those are the facts of it.

No not all. I don't assume they are equal. I'm telling you they both suck. One is dog crap and the other is horse crap. Yeah, dog crap doesn't smell as bad as horse crap but its still crap and it still smells. Nick Foles is a bum. We've all seen him play against us and we all felt he was terrible but now that he's a free agent we are suppose to refuse what our eyes tell us he is? He had a great year. Better than anyone I can recall.

And mind you, Kellen Moore hasn't accomplished anything because he hasn't been given a shot. He's a uncertainty. Foles is a finished product who simply is what he is.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Look at it this way:

If both Kellen Moore and Nick Foles were available, who do you think gets hired by NFL Coaches & GMs ?

The mere fact the Foles has been a staring QB--and could very well be again in the near future--should make him the clear choice for a back-up.

Because NFL Coaches and GM's make great QB decisions lol.....

 

[endersdragon]

Fine, he had a bad season (because throwing 10 picks in 8 games sucks no matter how you slice it) then a really terrible one. I averaged them into two just crappy ones. Happy?



The guy who replaced him, Case "Who The Hell Is That" Keenum clearly outplayed him on the same team in the same system for the same coach. If Case Keenum was released tomorrow, would you be clamoring for him?

Case Keenum didn't do anything impressive last year either outside of the TB game, and TB gave up the 2nd highest QB rating in the league last year (only the Saints were worse). Ravens game he fumbled the ball 3 times (losing 2 of them) to go with his 1 TD and 136 yards... not exactly impressive. Lions, 124 yards, 0 TDs, and an INT... yea not seeing anything impressive there either. Seattle 103 yards and a TD... nothing really impressive there either. SF 231 yards no TDs no INTs... solid game but not exactly doing that well. The reason the Rams did better with Keenum in the lineup is they simplified things and weren't asking him to throw the ball 30+ times a game.

 

[wileedog]

The reason the Rams did better with Keenum in the lineup is they simplified things and weren't asking him to throw the ball 30+ times a game.

So why didn't they just do that with Foles instead of benching him? And then trading the farm for a new QB? And then releasing him?

The RAMS didn't want Foles as a backup QB. Why should we?

 

[Stash]

What possible agenda do I have here? I live near Philly. I've watched a lot of Foles' games. I think he is a bad QB who had a miracle season because Chip's system had a lot of wide open receivers his first year.

That's my opinion, not my agenda.

Ok, your "opinion" then. I'm fine in calling it that.

Also bad. I'm not defending Moore. I'm saying Foles is not significantly better and will cost significantly more. And if nothing else Moore is familiar with Linehan's system.

"Also bad" doesn't do it justice. Moore averaged 2 INT's per game. At the same pace, he would have had 16 if he had played in the same 8 games. That makes Foles look much better by comparison.

I'd take him over Foles as well.

I might agree with you there.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Any Cowboys interest? He'd easily be our #2. Thoughts?

After last year... Being in it at 2-7... If Jerry doesn't seriously consider it then.... Well.... He is Jerry being Jerry.
Foles would have won enough games to not rush Romo back.

 

[Nightman]

Ok, your "opinion" then. I'm fine in calling it that.



"Also bad" doesn't do it justice. Moore averaged 2 INT's per game. At the same pace, he would have had 16 if he had played in the same 8 games. That makes Foles look much better by comparison.

I might agree with you there.

KMoore's 'good' game, we were down 24-0 to the Commanders back-ups and he had 2 INTs, a lost fumble and 4 sacks

 

[wileedog]

Ok, your "opinion" then. I'm fine in calling it that.
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Look, bottom line if the team can get him here for a really cheap, no risk contract sure. Whatever. Have at it in camp. I have no particular love for Moore either.

But I don't think they are going to be able to do that. He has that miracle season under his belt and has been a starter. If his agent is worth a darn he's going to get more money than a no risk vet minimum contract and I personally don't think its worth the money or time. He's just not a good QB - again, in my "opinion."

 

[speedkilz88]

Sources tell me In the Cowboys are not planning to pursue Nick Foles at this time — but that doesn’t mean Dallas is completely locked in at the backup QB spots.

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The Cowboys personnel department is not high on Foles and has faith in the developmental potential of rookie Dak Prescott. The coaching staff, keyed by coordinator Scott Linehan, has faith in No. 2 guy Kellen Moore.

 

[Stash]

No not all. I don't assume they are equal. I'm telling you they both suck. One is dog crap and the other is horse crap. Yeah, dog crap doesn't smell as bad as horse crap but its still crap and it still smells. Nick Foles is a bum. We've all seen him play against us and we all felt he was terrible but now that he's a free agent we are suppose to refuse what our eyes tell us he is? He had a great year. Better than anyone I can recall.

And mind you, Kellen Moore hasn't accomplished anything because he hasn't been given a shot. He's a uncertainty. Foles is a finished product who simply is what he is.

"Hasn't been given a shot"? Or hasn't done anything to get one?

He had the better part of three games last season, threw 4 TD's, 6 INT's and lost a fumble.

And he lost all three games.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

"Not Presently Pursuing QB Nick Foles."
Of course they aren't pursuing him or any other free agent qb. As long as Linehan has a say.

 

[Stash]

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[Stash]

"Not Presently Pursuing QB Nick Foles."
Of course they aren't pursuing him or any other free agent qb. As long as Linehan has a say.

After last season's results, should he have a say?

 

[Stash]

KMoore's 'good' game, we were down 24-0 to the Commanders back-ups and he had 2 INTs, a lost fumble and 4 sacks

Oh but those yards against that prevent defense! The yards! The yards!