Nick Foles Released **merged**

[erod]

Foles is immaterial. I don't care whether Dallas signs him or not. Fine either way.

Is he better than Moore? Yeah, probably. But if Romo went down, I'd rather see Prescott get time late in the year anyway.

 

[Stash]

Yep.

He stinks. You can continue thinking that there's something there but there really isn't. I mean I guess I could buy it if there was a skill set that was clearly evident. Like if he was a strong armed kid or very mobile. But he's arguably one of the most immobile QBs in the entire league, he has poor pocket awareness and he has a league average arm at best.

Foles isn't winning you squat if Romo goes down. So save the $2MM and use it to overpay a bit for Freeney.

All else aside, I'd prefer using money on Freeney too.

 

[Stash]

There isn't a key difference.

There absolutely is. You can cover your own eyes if you want but not anyone else's. Nick Foles had a phenomenal season playing in this league, no matter when that occurred. Kellen Moore has done nothing in four years other than turn the ball over at a high rate in the three games he played in and lost. That's his list of accomplishments by comparison.

What does it matter what he did with Chip Kelly? Chip Kelly isn't here and that was YEARS ago. Are we judging guys based on what they did last season or based on what they did 3 years ago? If that's the case we might as well keep Matt Cassell.....he showed he could be a competent QB a few years ago as well.

Better to do that than to try to talk up a guy who's done nothing good after four years in the league.

Foles might be inconsistant, but Kellen Moore has never accomplished anything.

 

[KJJ]

Best post on the page, makes sense.

The one thing is, if you bring in another QB, you will see them as being like they were on another team, but now they
will be with Cowboys ,running JG's offense, with our WR , so they may not look or play like they did on the other team.
Most times they will be worse, with small chance they might look better.

Moore , looked the best of any QB not Romo last year. So I still say he may be the best # 2, but If I could try out foles with
no costs, then I would.

But people tend to compare foles, to what he looked like his one good year. That foles may be gone for good.

The problem with many here is they look at all the flaws veteran backup QBs have and focus on the bad games and years they've had. Some are pointing to how Foles looked last season on a Rams team that doesn't have the offensive talent the Cowboys have. All veteran backup QBs have flaws which is why they're backups, I try and look at some of the positives they bring. Foles brings enough positives that on a talented offense I could see him playing good if we can make some adjustments to fit what he does well. The Cowboys offense is more talented than any offense Foles has played with.

He brings some experience and even though his season went down the drain last year he still won 4 of his first 7 starts before things went bad. Let's say Romo goes down for 5 games this season, we can do no worse than 3-2 if we want to have a chance in 2016. We have to be able to stay afloat and the best way to stay afloat is with a veteran QB. The problem the Cowboys have had is their inability to adjust to a new QB. Other teams have been able to adjust and play well with a backup but we haven't. You can't run an offense that's geared to Romo you have to make adjustments.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

There absolutely is. You can cover your own eyes if you want but not anyone else's. Nick Foles had a phenomenal season playing in this league, no matter when that occurred. Kellen Moore has done nothing in four years other than turn the ball over at a high rate in the three games he played in and lost. That's his list of accomplishments by comparison.



Better to do that than to try to talk up a guy who's done nothing good after four years in the league.

Foles might be inconsistant, but Kellen Moore has never accomplished anything.

So if we are in the business of going after guys who have had good years under their belt than let's just bring back Matt Cassel. He had a great year. Isn't Michael Vick out there? Matt Hasselbeck wants to give it a go again? Let's just bring all has-beens in because they were good at one point which means they will be good here in Dallas because....well because we are Dallas.


Why do you keep bringing up Kellen Moore? He has nothing to do with how trash Foles is. Moore isn't anything either. Fair enough. There's no argument here about that. The only argument I make is that since both of them are bad i'd rather go with the guy who was bad but in this system then the one that was simply bad.

 

[ilykdrama]

I'm on this Dak Prescott train. Give this kid a year under the system. Dude's a champ. Was the entire Miss State team.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The problem with many here is they look at all the flaws veteran backup QBs have and focus on the bad games and years they've had. Some are pointing to how Foles looked last season on a Rams team that doesn't have the offensive talent the Cowboys have. All veteran backup QBs have flaws which is why they're backups, I try and look at some of the positives they bring. Foles brings enough positives that on a talented offense I could see him playing good if we can make some adjustments to fit what he does well. The Cowboys offense is more talented than any offense Foles has played with.

He brings some experience and even though his season went down the drain last year he still won 4 of his first 7 starts before things went bad. Let's say Romo goes down for 5 games this season, we can do no worse than 3-2 if we want to have a chance in 2016. We have to be able to stay afloat and the best way to stay afloat is with a veteran QB. The problem the Cowboys have had is their inability to adjust to a new QB. Other teams have been able to adjust and play well with a backup but we haven't. You can't run an offense that's geared to Romo you have to make adjustments.

That was the same argument used for why Matt Cassel and Brandon Weeden. Cowboys have GREAT TALENT therefore they will be better here than with their previous teams.

 

[Stash]

So if we are in the business of going after guys who have had good years under their belt than let's just bring back Matt Cassel. He had a great year. Isn't Michael Vick out there? Matt Hasselbeck wants to give it a go again? Let's just bring all has-beens in because they were good at one point which means they will be good here in Dallas because....well because we are Dallas.

"Has been" vs "never was", great argument.

Why do you keep bringing up Kellen Moore? He has nothing to do with how trash Foles is. Moore isn't anything either. Fair enough. There's no argument here about that. The only argument I make is that since both of them are bad i'd rather go with the guy who was bad but in this system then the one that was simply bad.

You assume that they're equal. And that's not the case at all. However, whenever, wherever he did it, Nick Foles had one of the best seasons a quarterback has ever had in this league. Conversely, Kellen Moore has accomplished nothing in four years.

Those are the facts of it.

 

[big dog cowboy]

But if Romo went down, I'd rather see Prescott get time late in the year anyway.

Now we're talking.

 

[Joe Realist]

I'd take Foles and cut Moore

 

[wileedog]

You assume that they're equal. And that's not the case at all. However, whenever, wherever he did it, Nick Foles had one of the best seasons a quarterback has ever had in this league.

And then proceeded to have two absolutely crappy ones. And both teams he was on decided he wasn't worth taking up a roster spot anymore. His one good season was a Chip Kelly induced fluke before teams figured him out.

The only difference between him and Moore is that he has had extensive time on the field in games to show he sucks and Moore hasn't. He's not worth the time or money.

 

[Idgit]

For the record, the 'has been' v. 'never was' argument is perfectly legitimate. Quick, before last season, who you got: Nick Foles or Kirk Cousins? The fact is, two or three seasons is a lifetime in the NFL and things like systems and teammates do actually matter a lot when it comes to playing the QB position.

I think Moore's actually got a shot to be a legit backup in the NFL. My only problem is relying solely on a never-was when there were options from bringing in experienced players to push him. But I can't fault anybody for looking at Nick Foles body of work and thinking 'no thanks.'

 

[Gemini Dolly]

Let's take a looksy

 

[Stash]

And then proceeded to have two absolutely crappy ones. And both teams he was on decided he wasn't worth taking up a roster spot anymore. His one good season was a Chip Kelly induced fluke before teams figured him out.

The only difference between him and Moore is that he has had extensive time on the field in games to show he sucks and Moore hasn't. He's not worth the time or money.

Other than the fact that your "two crappy ones" comment is completely inaccurate, sure...



It's obvious this is like talking to the wall.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FoleNi00.htm

 

[wileedog]

Other than the fact that your "two crappy ones" comment is completely inaccurate, sure...



It's obvious this is like talking to the wall.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FoleNi00.htm

What's not crappy about throwing 20 interceptions in 19 games with a less than 60% completion rate?

 

[Sydla]

For the record, the 'has been' v. 'never was' argument is perfectly legitimate. Quick, before last season, who you got: Nick Foles or Kirk Cousins? The fact is, two or three seasons is a lifetime in the NFL and things like systems and teammates do actually matter a lot when it comes to playing the QB position.

I think Moore's actually got a shot to be a legit backup in the NFL. My only problem is relying solely on a never-was when there were options from bringing in experienced players to push him. But I can't fault anybody for looking at Nick Foles body of work and thinking 'no thanks.'

In fairness, I was always a big Cousins guy even before last season even dating back to his MSU days. I'd have taken him over Foles heading into 2015 largely because I just think he has a much better skill set than Foles. Better arm, more mobile, etc.

I think that's what made Foles 2013 season so remarkable. That a guy with such a middling/average skill set could produce a season like that.

 

[Stash]

What's not crappy about throwing 20 interceptions in 19 games with a less than 60% completion rate?

Mostly, the part where you mash two seasons together because it suits your agenda, rather than looking at 2014 for the season that it actually was. He played in 8 games before getting injured, threw 13 TD's vs 10 INT's and his team went 6-2 with him and 4-4 without him.

His one terrible year came last season in St Louis, under Jeff Fisher. Tell me the last Jeff Fisher quarterback that's done well and then we can criticize Nick Foles alone.

 

[KJJ]

That was the same argument used for why Matt Cassel and Brandon Weeden. Cowboys have GREAT TALENT therefore they will be better here than with their previous teams.

Cassel arrived during the season and underwent a crash course trying to learn the offense. By the time he took over the Cowboys were riding a 3 game losing streak and their season was already heading in the toilet. Weeden won a grand total of 5 games in Cleveland while Foles won 4 of 7 starts last season. Weeden didn't play with Dez last season and still played well enough to win 2 of his 3 starts if our defense could have made a few stops stops. He won an important game for Houston last season and saved another so the problem I'm my opinion hasn't been with the QBs as much as it's been with the Cowboys inability to adjust to a new QB. Weeden won games in Cleveland and Houston but not in Dallas.

Cassel had some success with other teams but not with the Cowboys. Even Romo has had his issues trying to win games in Dallas with the lack of support he gets. Until Cassel's win last season over Washington the Cowboys hadn't won a game with a backup QB since Stephen McGee in 2010. They were 1-13 with backup QBs the past 3 seasons. Unless we make adjustments no QB other than Romo will have success because the offense is "Romo friendly." By heading into training camp with just Moore and Dak backing up Romo the Cowboys are setting themselves up for another disaster if Romo goes down. Romo is the only QB on the roster who's won an NFL game.

 

[Idgit]

In fairness, I was always a big Cousins guy even before last season even dating back to his MSU days. I'd have taken him over Foles heading into 2015 largely because I just think he has a much better skill set than Foles. Better arm, more mobile, etc.

I think that's what made Foles 2013 season so remarkable. That a guy with such a middling/average skill set could produce a season like that.

I liked Cousins, too, but he still ought to qualify as a 'never was' based on his limited play prior to last season.

Foles 2013 was a trip to me. I felt like I was watching a keystone cops routine with some of the big plays he made. And the only two picks part was really, really impressive. Still, you could watch him and scratch your head re: how he was pulling it off. Time caught up with him, though. He's just not starting QB material. The question now is whether or not he could be a decent backup.

 

[wileedog]

Mostly, the part where you mash two seasons together because it suits your agenda, rather than looking at 2014 for the season that it actually was. He played in 8 games before getting injured, threw 13 TD's vs 10 INT's and his team went 6-2 with him and 4-4 without him.

Fine, he had a bad season (because throwing 10 picks in 8 games sucks no matter how you slice it) then a really terrible one. I averaged them into two just crappy ones. Happy?

His one terrible year came last season in St Louis, under Jeff Fisher. Tell me the last Jeff Fisher quarterback that's done well and then we can criticize Nick Foles alone.

The guy who replaced him, Case "Who The Hell Is That" Keenum clearly outplayed him on the same team in the same system for the same coach. If Case Keenum was released tomorrow, would you be clamoring for him?