No Greg Hardy ruling yet, too many days later

[robjay04]

I read something today that said a ruling could be announced today at 5:00 pm/est.

Well it is late...

 

[guag]

Yeah, certainly not happening today.

 

[robjay04]

Yeah, certainly not happening today.

July 3rd will be the day. My prediction is he will be reduced to 6 games.

 

[AzorAhai]

Yeah, certainly not happening today.

The NFL will do whatever it pleases until a higher power steps in. I'm not even sure why there's a CBA or players union. Neither are doing jack to stop the NFL.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The NFL will do whatever it pleases until a higher power steps in. I'm not even sure why there's a CBA or players union. Neither are doing jack to stop the NFL.

There is a contempt of court case pending that has a good chance to succeed considering the NFL did not honor the order of the court. That is more than jack to my eyes.

 

[Tabascocat]

Yeah, certainly not happening today.

Probably not going to happen until late in the pre-season.

My prediction:
His appeal will be reduced to 8 games about a week after August 13th. Hardy and Co. will take it to court and seek a stay to be able to play until the trial/hearing is finished.

However, he will miss 2-3 games during this process before he is allowed to suit up. The NFL will make this out to be a long, drawn out ordeal to get Hardy as close to the 10-game suspension as possible.

I would not be surprised if the 2015 season comes to a close before it is all settled.

 

[guag]

July 3rd will be the day. My prediction is he will be reduced to 6 games.

That's what I'm thinking too actually. Not sure about the number of games, but I think the 3rd is a good guess.

The NFL will do whatever it pleases until a higher power steps in. I'm not even sure why there's a CBA or players union. Neither are doing jack to stop the NFL.

It's ridiculous. The NFL is a tyrannical organization. And this is with the CBA and the player's union and all that. Can you imagine how much worse things would be if not for the NFLPA?

 

[Nightman]

The NFL isn't going to issue a finding on the Peterson appeal because they have argued they don't have to because they are appealing Doty's ruling.

So is what you are saying is that the NFL never intended to make any ruling on Hardy until the contempt suit in August or if they somehow win that, their appeal of Doty's ruling in October?

Hardy can't sue in Federal Court until Henderson upholds the appeal.

You can't tell Hardy is bound by the rulings from a Federal Court appeal when he hasn't even been given a chance to present his case and the appeal hasn't even been heard.

His case is completely different than Peterson's case and Rice's case. The NFL is just delaying it because they know DAL won't say anything and the NFLPA is already in a huge battle with them.

 

[AzorAhai]

There is a contempt of court case pending that has a good chance to succeed considering the NFL did not honor the order of the court. That is more than jack to my eyes.

How long has Hardy been sitting on a sideline? How long did Peterson miss for a 4 game suspension? They are relying on the courts because it's all they can do. They have zero say in how the NFL handles player discipline. Which in my eyes is jack.

 

[Nightman]

How long has Hardy been sitting on a sideline? How long did Peterson miss for a 4 game suspension? They are relying on the courts because it's all they can do. They have zero say in how the NFL handles player discipline. Which in my eyes is jack.

They should never allow another player to hit the Commissioner's Exempt List. They play until they are suspended or the team releases them.

The Hardy case can easily be retroactively applied to the 15 games he missed last year. Just adjust his game check fines once everything is decided. His alleged crimes occurred while he was a Panther and that is who should be responsible.

That way they can fight it all the way to Supreme Court but Hardy doesn't have to wait in limbo.

That is how they are handling Peterson since he has already been re-instated.

 

[NickZepp]

He won't get his suspension lifted. Or he might just get a game or two lifted.

 

[theogt]

They should never allow another player to hit the Commissioner's Exempt List. They play until they are suspended or the team releases them.

The Hardy case can easily be retroactively applied to the 15 games he missed last year. Just adjust his game check fines once everything is decided. His alleged crimes occurred while he was a Panther and that is who should be responsible.

That way they can fight it all the way to Supreme Court but Hardy doesn't have to wait in limbo.

That is how they are handling Peterson since he has already been re-instated.

Agree. Something needs to be done about the exempt list. It is, without doubt, effectively a punishment that can have severe consequences to the player, yet the league gets to treat it as if it's no punishment at all.

 

[Rogah]

Agree. Something needs to be done about the exempt list. It is, without doubt, effectively a punishment that can have severe consequences to the player, yet the league gets to treat it as if it's no punishment at all.

Players need to consent to being placed on the list, so all that really needs to be done is any player who thinks the list is unfair should refuse to be placed on it.

 

[Nightman]

Players need to consent to being placed on the list, so all that really needs to be done is any player who thinks the list is unfair should refuse to be placed on it.

That is what they said, but then they changed the rules with Peterson. They said he would off the list once his case was adjudicated, but then when he plead guilty they forced him back onto the CEL during his appeal and still made him apply for re-reinstatement.

 

[theogt]

Players need to consent to being placed on the list, so all that really needs to be done is any player who thinks the list is unfair should refuse to be placed on it.

The player either consents or the team is forced to cut them. Not really a choice.

 

[Galian Beast]

A few mistakes here

- July 3rd @robjay04 ? Maybe. That's assuming the NFL has told Henderson that they want to keep this as quiet as possible. I don't think that is the case, especially given the time of year, there is little else to talk about. Not impossible, but I would be surprised.

@RingOfHonor88 Your statement was pretty silly. The CBA is a legal framework that allows for the NFL to do business the way it does. You can't have a salary cap without a CBA. The CBA then becomes the law of the shop, which gives the NFLPA the ability to fight the NFL in court, which is exactly what they are doing. Not sure what else you expect them to do here.

@dexternjack The contempt hearing is the first week of preseason. I'm not entirely sold that the NFL takes it that far, and I expect them to resolve this before that hearing anyways.

@bkight13 Hardy doesn't need to sue at this point and probably not in the future. The NFL has already named him in the contempt motion. I would expect Doty to take that into consideration when he holds the NFL in contempt. Not to mention the precedence set by Peterson's new arbitration, will clear the floor for Hardy as well.

As for the commissioner's exempt list, that has been codified into the new league rules. Perhaps the NFLPA will fight said rule, perhaps they won't. They already got shot down the first time they tried.

@Rogah players no longer need to consent to be placed on the list per the new rules.

 

[Nightman]

The player either consents or the team is forced to cut them. Not really a choice.

They are FAs then. Plenty of players would take that.

If it is after Week One they have to be paid in full.

 

[Nightman]

A few mistakes here

- July 3rd @robjay04 ? Maybe. That's assuming the NFL has told Henderson that they want to keep this as quiet as possible. I don't think that is the case, especially given the time of year, there is little else to talk about. Not impossible, but I would be surprised.

@RingOfHonor88 Your statement was pretty silly. The CBA is a legal framework that allows for the NFL to do business the way it does. You can't have a salary cap without a CBA. The CBA then becomes the law of the shop, which gives the NFLPA the ability to fight the NFL in court, which is exactly what they are doing. Not sure what else you expect them to do here.

@dexternjack The contempt hearing is the first week of preseason. I'm not entirely sold that the NFL takes it that far, and I expect them to resolve this before that hearing anyways.

@bkight13 Hardy doesn't need to sue at this point and probably not in the future. The NFL has already named him in the contempt motion. I would expect Doty to take that into consideration when he holds the NFL in contempt. Not to mention the precedence set by Peterson's new arbitration, will clear the floor for Hardy as well.

As for the commissioner's exempt list, that has been codified into the new league rules. Perhaps the NFLPA will fight said rule, perhaps they won't. They already got shot down the first time they tried.

@Rogah players no longer need to consent to be placed on the list per the new rules.

The Federal case may not be resolved for months. Hardy has to be dealt with before then.

They didn't have to assign Henderson to Hardy's appeal. They could have assigned Judge Jones who heard the Rice appeal or Goodell himself.

 

[MeTed]

Imagine you are Samsung and your competitor is Apple. Let's say in some scenario you are prevented from selling any phones on the market for two years, but your profits remain the same. Would you be okay with this? Or would you still recognize that your inability to be competitive for two years has diminished your market share?

By not playing in games, Hardy is not able to showcase his ability. He can not create a brand for himself. Other players who are ranked similarly to him now leap frog him on the market, because they have a lengthier resume. His ability to become a hall of fame player in regards to stats is also diminished.

Anyone who suggests that a year away from football paid or unpaid isn't a punishment clearly doesn't understand disciplinary action or business.

IMO - a judge may be sympathetic to this line of argument.

 

[Rogah]

The player either consents or the team is forced to cut them. Not really a choice.

You joking, right? Peterson would have loved to have been cut and been an unrestricted free agent.