No Greg Hardy ruling yet, too many days later

[theogt]

That phrase, as soon as practicable, has a specific meaning. If he is missing any piece of evidence that he feels might need to be considered (like the disappearing girlfriend), he can delay it indefinitely.

No.

 

[Nightman]

The point is, Henderson and the appeal still hasn't been settled. It was sent back to him a long time ago, and he still hasn't made a new (court mandated) ruling on that suspension appeal. This delay has compelled the NFLPA to file a claim of contempt by the NFL. GB is arguing that this case will have a significant impact on the outcome of Hardy's case.

I'm not sure what you guys would be confused about. He's been quite clear, at least in this instance.

That is not what was being discussed.

Henderson still has to rule on Hardy's case on it's own merits. They aren't connected anymore than the Brady case.

The appeal to the Eighth Circuit might not be heard until October. Is Hardy just supposed to dangle?

Peterson has already been re-instated. He is just waiting to see how game checks he will miss.

 

[Nightman]

Doty sent Peterson's appeal back to arbitration MONTHS ago.

Peterson has been waiting much longer than Hardy.

The idea that Henderson would be in any hurry to rule on Hardy is a mistaken one.

They are standing on their appeal as the controlling action in the Peterson case, but they initially ruled on his appeal within 10 days.

They still have to rule on Hardy's appeal separately because the cases are completely different.

They didn't tell Peterson to rely on the Rice ruling. He got his own.

 

[Nightman]

If the NFL is going to drag it out with Hardy they should just rule that his time on the Commissioner's Exempt list last year will count as time served on his suspension. They would then only have to determine how many game checks, if any he would fined. His is the last case that would be under the old rules.

After missing 15 games and a playoff game last year, another 10 games would be excessive since he was never re-tried.

The interesting thing is which salary to use. He was making 13.1m last year so he was making around 800k a game. This year his base is 750k which would be 47k per game. But he would still lose 580k for every game missed because of the incentives.

 

[Galian Beast]

They are standing on their appeal as the controlling action in the Peterson case, but they initially ruled on his appeal within 10 days.

They still have to rule on Hardy's appeal separately because the cases are completely different.

They didn't tell Peterson to rely on the Rice ruling. He got his own.

Henderson arbitrated against Peterson with the new rules, which is why it got smacked down. He knows he can't do the same with Hardy, just as he knows the Judge requires him to redo the arbitration based under the CBA.

The fact that he hasn't made any decision on Peterson months after the fact, was a clear sign that Hardy would be waiting a long time as well.

If Hardy was to have a quick resolution, Henderson would have already rearbitrated Peterson's appeal.

This really isn't difficult.

 

[Galian Beast]

That is not what was being discussed.

Henderson still has to rule on Hardy's case on it's own merits. They aren't connected anymore than the Brady case.

The appeal to the Eighth Circuit might not be heard until October. Is Hardy just supposed to dangle?

Peterson has already been re-instated. He is just waiting to see how game checks he will miss.

They are extremely connected, which is EXACTLY why the NFLPA cites Hardy in their contempt motion.

The same precedence impacting Peterson, impacts Hardy.

You're a better poster than this usually.

 

[Sydla]

Henderson arbitrated against Peterson with the new rules, which is why it got smacked down. He knows he can't do the same with Hardy, just as he knows the Judge requires him to redo the arbitration based under the CBA.

The fact that he hasn't made any decision on Peterson months after the fact, was a clear sign that Hardy would be waiting a long time as well.

If Hardy was to have a quick resolution, Henderson would have already rearbitrated Peterson's appeal.

This really isn't difficult.

The NFL isn't going to issue a finding on the Peterson appeal because they have argued they don't have to because they are appealing Doty's ruling.

So is what you are saying is that the NFL never intended to make any ruling on Hardy until the contempt suit in August or if they somehow win that, their appeal of Doty's ruling in October?

 

[Galian Beast]

Not the NFL but Henderson, thinks he doesn't have to issue a finding on Peterson (as the NFL has pushed him not to) until the eight circuit rules.

This is not how the law works. If the NFL thought this, they should have sought a stay on Doty's order. Instead they ignored and both they and Henderson are in contempt, and will be found so in August. The NFL knows this.

Whether we get to the October oral arguments at all is questionable.

It's hard to say what the NFLs game plan is here, because if they don't fold by the August contempt hearing on both Peterson and Hardy, they'll be found in contempt, and they'll be forced to comply with Doty's orders, well before the October oral arguments (let alone a decision that might not even come during this season).

What I'm saying is that if the NFL and Henderson by extension had any intention of resolving Hardy's appeal in a timely manner, you would have seen them do something on Peterson already.

This will be resolved by September.

I find it difficult to believe that the NFL is willing to walk into court knowing that they're going to be found in contempt. Logic suggests they will fold, but logic also suggests that they would have come to this conclusion a while ago. Logic therefore suggests that the NFL is not thinking logically or at the very least has an alterior motive here. It is possible that they want to be held in contempt.

 

[Sydla]

What's the worst that can happen if they are found in contempt?

I think it's possible they are playing a PR game here. They've taken a ton of heat for how they've handled DV cases to date. So from a PR perspective, if the penalty for being in contempt is just a big slap on the wrist, it's better to stick where they are and have the court force them to reduce penalties.

 

[Bungarian]

I think they may be playing a game with Hardy. Take a long time so it looks like they did their homework then give a small reduction. I say reduce the suspension to 8 games. Then if the NFLPA goes to court it looks better on the NFL.

 

[cowboyvic]

Where is the outrage? Jerry,Stephen and Garrett not screaming about this BS is a disgrace. it's been a month. and still no decision on Hardy. are you freaking kidding me! why is their no public outrage from the cowboys about these screw jobs that keep going down? the silence is deffeningh

 

[Rogah]

Interesting and perhaps cryptic post by Florio on this subject. He writes:

"The ruling on Hardy’s suspension could come at any time. Possibly at around 5:00 p.m. ET today."

So was he just throwing that "5:00 p.m. ET today" number as a random example, or does he suspect something for some reason??

 

[CyberB0b]

Where is the outrage? Jerry,Stephen and Garrett not screaming about this BS is a disgrace. it's been a month. and still no decision on Hardy. are you freaking kidding me! why is their no public outrage from the cowboys about these screw jobs that keep going down? the silence is deffeningh

The Cowboys' position is a classic no win situation. If they come out complaining, they look like they support domestic violence. It's better to say nothing at all.

 

[LandryFan]

Interesting and perhaps cryptic post by Florio on this subject. He writes:

"The ruling on Hardy’s suspension could come at any time. Possibly at around 5:00 p.m. ET today."

So was he just throwing that "5:00 p.m. ET today" number as a random example, or does he suspect something for some reason??

I think he was just guessing based on the league's history of releasing controversial rulings late on Fridays to allow the weekend for the storm to die down. At least that's my take on it. I could be wrong, though...he could have some scoop on it. We'll find out in a couple of hours or so.

 

[Rogah]

I think he was just guessing based on the league's history of releasing controversial rulings late on Fridays to allow the weekend for the storm to die down. At least that's my take on it. I could be wrong, though...he could have some scoop on it. We'll find out in a couple of hours or so.

You're probably right.... besides, there is a perfect opportunity to release it at the end of next week since it is a 3-day holiday weekend so maybe that is what they have planned.....

 

[LandryFan]

You're probably right.... besides, there is a perfect opportunity to release it at the end of next week since it is a 3-day holiday weekend so maybe that is what they have planned.....

Yes, there's that, too. I thought the same thing.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Where is the outrage? Jerry,Stephen and Garrett not screaming about this BS is a disgrace. it's been a month. and still no decision on Hardy. are you freaking kidding me! why is their no public outrage from the cowboys about these screw jobs that keep going down? the silence is deffeningh

Yep that ought to get the league office moving. Public outrage is always the best approach.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The Cowboys' position is a classic no win situation. If they come out complaining, they look like they support domestic violence. It's better to say nothing at all.

If you preface any statement denouncing violence unequivocally -like the Cowboys brass have all been coached to do- then you can get around innuendo like you describe. If they make a comment and it moves this train along more quickly and results in a reduction in Hardy's suspension then that is a win for the team if your interest is winning football games.

The Joneses are not going to undermine the authority of the NFL offices. He acquiesced when they colluded against them during the uncapped year. I expect them to do nothing but Hardy is a really good pass rusher.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yep that ought to get the league office moving. Public outrage is always the best approach.

If you can get a twitter storm going they will notice. Letter writing/emails in quantity are typically noticed as well. Venting here on random message board poster not so much.

 

[Bay10]

I read something today that said a ruling could be announced today at 5:00 pm/est.