No hate on Dak, but what does he do better than Rush?

[NotForLong]

Fumbler....yes
Throws more INTs...yes
Audible out of bad plays???? .....no
Better play action fake? ....No
Has burned some bridges w/ other players....deflected blame.......yes.
Injury prone.....yes
Slow to process information......yes
Doesn't move in the pocket to buy time......
Runs into sacks....
Lack of awareness....
Unwilling to run from the pocket anymore for fear of injury.

 

[aikemirv]

Utter nonsense.

Dak and Rush are the same guy, except Rush will actually anticipate and throw the ball out quickly, and I don't mean to checkdowns.

Moore calls the same plays for Dak, but Dak won't throw it.

Yep, not seeing many throws to the TE like you saw with checkdown Dak

 

[TexasBacon]

There's no need for a 10 page thread with the same Dak haters and Dak homers arguing the same points. If Dak comes back and doesn't win games then the haters are right. If Dak comes back and elevates the offense even more then he's better. I think the first game was on Kellen/lack of pre-season for the starters more than Dak. But, if Dak comes back and plays like he did week 1 then I hope they switch back to Rush.

 

[Cboyfan4ever]

I understand fans who don’t understand what they’re watching when they turn on a football game think that. That doesn’t make it so however.

That’s just common knowledge.It is so!!!!

 

[Slick]

NO its all the same..

What has Dak actually accomplished here, that you're comparing SB winners to?

 

[TWOK11]

That’s just common knowledge.It is so!!!!

Ok, explain it to me. If it’s so common it should be easy. Here, we’ll start out simple: What route concepts or defensive concepts does Dak struggle with?

 

[NotForLong]

Rush can run too, most don't know that but stay tuned.

Call me old fashioned but I always like the QB's that throw. . . . I always preferred Aikman over Young . . . Marino over Cunningham. . . . Brady over Vick

But at least those QB's could throw as well not like thede School Yard QB's of todays game

I like what I am seeing . . . The QB is dropping back and delivering the ball decisively. . .

Old School Style

 

[shabazz]

Interested to see how Dak reacts when he comes back. Does this make him fold or does it light a fire on his butt?

I have to think it's the latter. This may be a blessing in disguise. If he's willing to learn poise, quick decision making, and reading defenses from Cooper, I can see Daks game vastly improving

 

[Robster8989]

Utter nonsense.

Dak and Rush are the same guy, except Rush will actually anticipate and throw the ball out quickly, and I don't mean to checkdowns.

Moore calls the same plays for Dak, but Dak won't throw it.

I'm by no means a Dak hater. IMO he is our QB.
However, I find it interesting that our coaching staff seems to have put together 2 perfect game plans (against the Bengals and Giants), and that Rush perfectly orchestrated those game plans.
If you watched the Curt Warner analysis of the Niners playoff loss, he certainly called into question either our offensive play calling, or Dak's decision making (or both).
I was sort of leaning towards Moore being the issue more than Dak, but the last 2 games have made me question that.
Cooper Rush is a very limited QB, yet we seem to have very solid game plans for him. Run the ball, high % quick passes, and great defense. Rush seems to orchestrate that game plan and play within it. Makes the right reads, gets the ball out quickly etc. I remember one play in particular last night where a LB blizted, and Rush immediately threw the ball (to the TE) to the spot the LB had just vacated. That is a textbook good decision. Does Dak make that same decision?
It will be interesting to see how we do against better teams. I think the Bengals and Giants are solid, but we have the Rams and Eagles coming up.

 

[NotForLong]

Ok, explain it to me. If it’s so common it should be easy. Here, we’ll start out simple: What route concepts or defensive concepts does Dak struggle with?

Go ask Denver . . . They are the ones who sent out the Memo to the rest of the league

 

[Bagman]

Would love to hear what our fans think, logically.

Better pure passer? No
Better at reading defense? No
Better runner? Sure maybe
More decisive? No
More expensive? Yes

For me its not what either does better than the other. Its the team approach which is significantly better with Rush at QB. Its a much more "circle the wagons" approach the Cooper. Max protect, get the ball out quicker, run more, etc....With Dak, its almost a false confidence from the staff that he'll somehow get the job done despite often horrible game plans.

 

[Strykerscm]

Ok, explain it to me. If it’s so common it should be easy. Here, we’ll start out simple: What route concepts or defensive concepts does Dak struggle with?

Little of both. The coaches know that Dak cannot hit players in stride. So they use comebacks and boots almost exclusively.

Defenses know that he cannot throw to a moving target and just sit in zones realizing that he cannot make 10 competent throws in a drive to score a td.

 

[shabazz]

Call me old fashioned but I always like the QB's that throw. . . . I always preferred Aikman over Young . . . Marino over Cunningham. . . . Brady over Vick

But at least those QB's could throw as well not like thede School Yard QB's of todays game

I like what I am seeing . . . The QB is dropping back and delivering the ball decisively. . .

Old School Style

Agree with everything but with Young. I thought he was a pretty good passer but could run so well that it had to be part of his game.

 

[NotForLong]

Arm strength without a doubt. When Cooper doesn’t have a clean pocket the ball is going straight into the ground or being floated where it’s anyone’s ball.

Rush would have been great in the old West Coast style offenses. Intelligent, quick reads and throws a good intermediate ball

Yes I was thinking the same thing. . . . he reminds me of a less mobile Jeff Garcia

 

[tyke1doe]

Uh, lead a team to double-digit wins and to the playoffs ... TWICE!.
Look, I get it. Dak has his deficiencies. But let's cool our jets on Rush.
He hasn't played a full year nor have teams had enough tape on him to dissect his weaknesses.
Until he beats the heavy-hitters and leads this team to the playoffs, I'm not hoping on the bandwagon yet.
But I am running behind it.

 

[Cboyfan4ever]

Ok, explain it to me. If it’s so common it should be easy. Here, we’ll start out simple: What route concepts or defensive concepts does Dak struggle with?

Any 2 deep coverage look.Doesn’t process quickly enough w/ no decisiveness often opting to dump off because he didn’t see open man.Now, I realize sometimes pressure has to do w/ that, but often w/out pressure,still misses open receivers because of a lack of field vision and hyper awareness of non existent pressure.

 

[ShortRound]

I have to think it's the latter. This may be a blessing in disguise. If he's willing to learn poise, quick decision making, and reading defenses from Cooper, I can see Daks game vastly improving

If it makes him a better QB I'm all for it, other option leads us down an ugly scenario I think. Players love him.

 

[Mr_437]

Call me old fashioned but I always like the QB's that throw. . . . I always preferred Aikman over Young . . . Marino over Cunningham. . . . Brady over Vick

But at least those QB's could throw as well not like thede School Yard QB's of todays game

I like what I am seeing . . . The QB is dropping back and delivering the ball decisively. . .

Old School Style

I agree. I like a QB who stands in the pocket and shreds. I was just saying this guy can run if he needs to.

 

[NotForLong]

Agree with everything but with Young. I thought he was a pretty good passer but could run so well that it had to be part of his game.

You are right . . . Cunningham actually became a great pocket QB and Vick had an Incredible Arm

My dislike of Running Qb's is that they look to run in order to create chaos rather then execute the designed plan . . . thats just me though

Young is the prot type of today's QB

 

[BigD_95]

Would love to hear what our fans think, logically.

Better pure passer? No
Better at reading defense? No
Better runner? Sure maybe
More decisive? No
More expensive? Yes

better at holding onto the ball too long & taking sacks