No hate on Dak, but what does he do better than Rush?

[CWR]

So Moore forces Dak into poor decisions?

Run the ball and cut down penalties. That is how you overcome those zone defenses. Throwing it into coverage 50 times isn't the way.

That's for ANY qb, not just Dak.

 

[khiladi]

Last year was 2021. I'm literally posting an article detailing my point.

I'm not comparing the quality of player. My comparison is based on adjustments to zone defenses.

So what? And I’m saying in 2020, Mahomes was still the second least-blitzed QB in the league, meaning you trying to equate it to Dak is bogus. Mahomes has always been dealt with that way, but he forced defenses in 2021 to even a LARGER DEGREE to use less pressure.

it’s not in any way equivalent to how defenses defend Dak or dropping back into zone more, that you can consist of like Mahomes. As again, defenses when the played Dallas were always fearing the OL and RG. And again, teams simply confused Dak, showing an extra defender and dropping back into coverage. So Dak was just horrible at dissecting defenses.

And with Mahomes teams were rushing THREE for significant periods, not just 4.

Kelce’s comments on rushing three and dropping eight allude to the infamous Mahomes v. Belichick matchup in 2020. In that game, the Patriots rushed three defenders and dropped eight into coverage on an astounding 44 percent of Mahomes’s dropbacks, up almost three times New England’s season average (16 percent). Those extra droppers could clog up throwing windows in the thicket of zone coverage, but they also allowed the Patriots to play man coverage across the board with multiple deep safeties and a low-hole defender to take away shallow crossers and spy Mahomes. The Chiefs scored just 19 offensive points.

Do not in anyway compare Dak Prescott facing a standard 4 man Rush to teams rushing 3 for significant stretches against Mahomes.

That’s why Rush looks better than Dak.

 

[Strykerscm]

This is what is so funny.

'What does Dak do better than Rush?'

*Shows stats that prove it's just about everything*

'Stats don't matter.'

Would you guys just come out with it and say you prefer the way Rush looks? Because basically every available metric on QB play proves that Dak does many, many things better than Rush.

That doesn't mean he's the better QB for our team. It's completely possible that having a system QB is better than a star QB. But we don't need to bend reality to justify that

Surely you’re not saying Dak is a star qb

 

[Shane612]

What does Prescott do better than Rush?
I've been asking that for weeks now.
I got one responder (loststar2009) who said Dak is better at managing games.
Not very specific.

 

[CWR]

So what? And I’m saying in 2020, Mahomes was still the second least-blitzed QB in the league, meaning you trying to equate it to Dak is bogus. Mahomes has always been dealt with that way, but he forced defenses in 2021 to even a LARGER DEGREE to use less pressure.

it’s not in any way equivalent to how defenses defend Dak or dropping back into zone more, that you can consist of like Mahomes. As again, defenses when the played Dallas were always fearing the OL and RG. And again, teams simply confused Dak, showing an extra defender and dropping back into coverage. So Dak was just horrible at dissecting defenses.

And with Mahomes teams were rushing THREE for significant periods, not just 4.



Do not in anyway compare Dak Prescott facing a standard 4 man Rush to teams rushing 3 for significant stretches against Mahomes.

That’s why Rush looks better than Dak.

Sure NOTHING changed with the way defenses played the Chiefs.

Just numerous articles all say it did, but I guess your right.

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/chiefs/the-nfl-has-finally-caught-up-to-the-chiefs/

 

[khiladi]

Sure NOTHING changed with the way defenses played the Chiefs.

Just numerous articles all say it did, but I guess your right.

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/chiefs/the-nfl-has-finally-caught-up-to-the-chiefs/

I didn’t say teams didn’t ‘change the way’ they played defense with Mahomes. What I said is your comparison of Dak with respect to Mahomes is the typical bogus, throw mud-at-the-wall comparison you Dak supported always try and latch onto to save w sinking ship. Dak seeing more zone is not the same thing as teams rushing only 3 on 44% of snaps for Mahomes to try and slow him down.

Dak has always sucked against zone period. Defenses have never respected his arm like they do with the actual elites. Teams just figured they don’t need to bring an extra rusher in the box as much anymore and can make him look like a bottom 29 QB regularly by dropping into zone more.

 

[TwentyOne]

Would love to hear what our fans think, logically.

Better pure passer? No
Better at reading defense? No
Better runner? Sure maybe
More decisive? No
More expensive? Yes

Marketing his brand
PR
Contract negotiation
Talking

 

[McKDaddy]

Dak throws a better football.

How can you possibly say that? Rush is putting the ball into their body when needed and out in front of them so they don't break stride. All around more catchable and better for the receiver to actually do something with it.

I mean, a better ball isn't even on the table for discussion of something Dak might do better.

 

[CWR]

I didn’t say teams didn’t ‘change the way’ they played defense with Mahomes. What I said is your comparison of Dak with respect to Mahomes is the typical bogus, throw mud-at-the-wall comparison you Dak supported always try and latch onto to save w sinking ship. Dak seeing more zone is not the same thing as teams rushing only 3 on 44% of snaps for Mahomes to try and slow him down.

Dak has always sucked against zone period. Defenses have never respected his arm like they do with the actual elites. Teams just figured they don’t need to bring an extra rusher in the box as much anymore and can make him look like a bottom 29 QB regularly by dropping into zone more.

They are dropping more people into coverage PERIOD.

Gawd this board is terrible. You act as if I don't criticize Dak. You say one semi impartial thing about Zeke, and you hate Pollard. Coop was a good route runner; I guess I hate CD. AND ON AND ON.

Its always a "you Dak lovers" with guys like you.

Here's a hint, you can he objective.

You aren't required to be all in with your hate.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I always said it about Romo or Dak, when you have no competition, where's the need to improve?

Lolwut? Romo improved every year. Romo started with a QB competition and won it. I doubt he would’ve refused future ones. He was rightfully deemed a franchise QB, all of it earned, so there was no need to draft one for competition.

And when Romo was class and wanted a QB competition (even though he should’ve been given the job back as a ten year starter) where Dak took over due to injuries to him and Moore and was simply handed the job, Dak was coddled and handed it once again.

 

[Strykerscm]

How can you possibly say that? Rush is putting the ball into their body when needed and out in front of them so they don't break stride. All around more catchable and better for the receiver to actually do something with it.

I mean, a better ball isn't even on the table for discussion of something Dak might do better.

I don’t think that even the most ignorant Dak fan can say that he’s a better passer. The most level heads Dak fans are consistently saying he has the proven track record and reps making him better than rush.

The million dollar question for any Dak fan is would any team in the league trade for him right now? I’ll save y’all time, not a single team would take on Dak at his rate and talent level.

 

[NeverBeGameOver]

What does Prescott do better than Rush?
I've been asking that for weeks now.
I got one responder (loststar2009) who said Dak is better at managing games.
Not very specific.

He's a better playmaker, creating something out of nothing. He's more 'dynamic,' capable of putting up bigger numbers.

On the surface, you could argue Brady does nothing better than a number of top QB's over his career.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

He's a better playmaker, creating something out of nothing. He's more 'dynamic,' capable of putting up bigger numbers.

On the surface, you could argue Brady does nothing better than a number of top QB's over his career.

Maybe the best post in this thread.

 

[Acceptablename]

Would love to hear what our fans think, logically.

Better pure passer? No
Better at reading defense? No
Better runner? Sure maybe
More decisive? No
More expensive? Yes

Go look at the first 6 games last year and let’s talk

 

[NotForLong]

L E A D E R S H I P

We got Micah for that . . . And if you want Clutch we got Cooper . . . . Which is what I equate with leadership. . . especially from the QB position

But if you want apolished Media Talking Head / Politician / Game Show Host you can keep that kind of "Leaderahip" . . . it only gets the Fraud leader paid

It's been 6 years I am done with the experiment

 

[khiladi]

They are dropping more people into coverage PERIOD.

Gawd this board is terrible. You act as if I don't criticize Dak. You say one semi impartial thing about Zeke, and you hate Pollard. Coop was a good route runner; I guess I hate CD. AND ON AND ON.

Its always a "you Dak lovers" with guys like you.

Here's a hint, you can he objective.

You aren't required to be all in with your hate.

The main point of your “thesis” was you claim Dak would figure it out like Mahomes. You Dak-lovers will disrespect guys that actually won SBs and consistently throughout their careers faced heavy zone with analogies that are complete garbage to prop up Dak. Saying Dak will figure out throwing against zone coverage, like Mahomes adjusting to unique looks defenses were playing against him has no basis in actual play. Dak has ALWAYS sucked against zone.

It’s just another attempt to hoist the blame on Moore , as if the game plan is any different. Moore can’t do anything for Dak’s poor anticipation and inability to read defenses.

 

[blueblood70]

If we are really going to compare them, we need to see Cooper in a game where he has to throw it 40-50 times to keep up.

Can he? I love what he's doing, but we can't know that yet.

 

[blueblood70]

Well he makes $40 mil per year

and that cant be changed so its a MOOT argument.

so does Murray, cousins, Stafford, and many others who have a bad game or games throughout and long season but more then make up for it..

 

[blueblood70]

Would love to hear what our fans think, logically.

Better pure passer? No
Better at reading defense? No
Better runner? Sure maybe
More decisive? No
More expensive? Yes

everything, case closed

 

[khiladi]

He's a better playmaker, creating something out of nothing. He's more 'dynamic,' capable of putting up bigger numbers.

On the surface, you could argue Brady does nothing better than a number of top QB's over his career.

Brady is arguably the greatest pre-snap read QB in the history of the game, while having the tools to get the ball where it needs to be.