No Merriman vs Ware thread yet ?!?!?
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I've not scouted Woodley yet (i'll do that after our season is over) but I agree that we need another dominator opposite Ware. Maybe Carpenter will or will not be that player.
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DEMARCUS WARE COMES UP BIG WHEN WE NEED HIM. PARCELLS SAID IT HIMSELF HE DOESNT WANT A SACK MONSTER. HE WANTS A LINEBACKER. IF TUNA WANTED TO CUT HIM LOOSE HE'D GO ALL OUT. YOU CAN TELL WHEN HE'S GOING ALL OUT FOR THE SACK AND HE USUALLY GETS IT WHEN HE WANTS IT.NOT TO MENTION OTHERS ARE GETTIN THEIR SACKS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY GOTTA PUT A COUPLE OF GUYS TO BLOCK HIM. ILL TAKE 2 TD. OVER A FEW LITTLE SACKS ANY DAY. NOT TO MENTION WHEN WARE SACKS ITS FOR ALOT OF NEGATIVE YARDS. NOT JUST 2 or 3 like STERIOID MERRIMAN
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One last thing before I overload this thread with Clove posts. I've noticed alot how when Ware rushes, he doesn't go full blown, as if he has to worry about a scrambling QB or the run. When I've watched the few games of the Chargers, I saw Merriman go strictly after the QB period. No trying to isolate and contain the edges, just a B-line towards the QB. I wish we had the LB core to be able to allow a person to go straight after the QB while using others to contain the run.
I wish we had Jamal Williams and Castillo (sp?)
Having said that, Merriman is definitely a better passrusher than Ware at this point. We are 2 years in, and we still have more talent to add to our front 7.
I would up grade either Canty or Spears, if Carpenter doesn't start to show dominance in passrushing, I would replace him. And I like Ayodele, but I'm not sure about James' speed, although he does lead the team in tackles.
I wish we had Jamal Williams and Castillo (sp?)
Having said that, Merriman is definitely a better passrusher than Ware at this point. We are 2 years in, and we still have more talent to add to our front 7.
I would up grade either Canty or Spears, if Carpenter doesn't start to show dominance in passrushing, I would replace him. And I like Ayodele, but I'm not sure about James' speed, although he does lead the team in tackles.
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morasp;1256074 said:
Yeah I'm grateful we got Carpenter to :bang2:
Merrimen
Games played 11
Tackles 54
Stuffs 8
Forced Fumbles 4
Int's 1
Td's 0
Passes Defensed 7
Ware
Games played 14
Tackles 59
Stuffs 7
Forced Fumbles 4
Int's 1
Td's 1
Passes Defensed 6
God knows how many sacks this guy would have had if he wasn't suspended 4 games.
Some say he can't cover. Looks like a real stiff in coverage only defending 7 passes and picking 1 to Wares 6 & 1.
I wish people would stop comparing these guys. Homerism is a powerful deterrent to objectivity.
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smarta5150;1255908 said:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hh6HGy2AuRM
watch again. He dropped back into coverage, read Hassleback perfectly, tipped the ball and made a god like acrobatic catch for a guy whos nearly 270 pounds.
Merriman does drop into coverage. It's just NFL fans who do not like the Dallas Cowboys know who the better player is. It's not a knock on Ware. Ware is excellent. Shawne Merriman is just a lot better. And to say that SD has much better players is a testament to bad coaching and scouting. You guys have a plethora of 1rst round picks on your defense. Thats an abundance of talent. Marcus Spears, Roy Williams, Terrence Newman, Bobby Carpenter, DeMarcus Ware, Greg Ellis to SD's Shawne Merriman, Quinetin Jammer, Antonio Cromartie and Luis Castillo.
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Blue&Silver;1256089 said:
That stat is wrong and misleading...along with the majority of this post.
Ware has two TD's this year.
...And who the hell cares how many he "would have had" if he hadn't been suspended....he was suspended, and rightly so.
Objectivity is a two way street...try getting all of your facts staight and posting a real thought provoking argument before you judge others...
Why don't you look up the number of times each player has been told to rush the QB, and their resulting success rates...i bet they're not too far apart. Why don't you actually watch the games closely and objectively...you might actually notice that SanDiego's pass rush is FAR superior to ours across the board...I'd be willing to bet that 75% of Merrimans sacks are the result of another lineman flushing him from the pocket. Arguing that Merriman is as versatile as Ware is akin to waving a red flag of football ignorance...don't bring that here. The simple fact is, is that there isn't much difference between the two players...just a world of difference in our defensive scheme and aggression.
Merriman is a beast...
He's also a cheater and a SanDiego Charger. Stop obsessing.
Oh yeah, and way to throw Carpenter in there, as if that post wasn't redundant enough...
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Blue&Silver;1256089 said:
Carpenter is looking good lately, big, strong, fast, and a sure tackler.
How can you tout missing four games due to the league subastance abuse policy as a positive, he is a bad apple and sooner or later the stench will take over. He can't play the run, he only plays hard when he is rushing the passer which benefits from an attack style defense.
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smarta5150;1255762 said:Merriman:
Vs. OAK
1st and 10 at OAK 1953) A.Brooks sacked at OAK 16 for -3 yards (S.Merriman).
1st and 10 at OAK 47 (14:50) A.Brooks sacked at OAK 39 for -8 yards (S.Merriman).
3rd and 17 at SD 40 (2:25) A.Brooks sacked at SD 48 for -8 yards (S.Merriman).
Vs. TEN
0 Sacks
Vs. BAL
1st and 10 at BLT 25
Vs. PIT
1st and 10 at PIT 16 (11:19) B.Roethlisberger sacked at PIT 8 for -8 yards (sack split by D.Robinson and S.Merriman).
Vs. SF
3rd and 10 at SF 21 (14:45) A.Smith sacked at SF 15 for -6 yards (S.Merriman).
Vs. KC
0 Sacks
Vs. STL
2nd and 5 at SL 30 (6:26) M.Bulger sacked at SL 23 for -7 yards (S.Merriman).
1st and 10 at SD 37 (1:48) M.Bulger sacked at SD 41 for -4 yards (S.Merriman).
3rd and 6 at SL 43 (13:33) (Shotgun) M.Bulger sacked at SL 38 for -5 yards (S.Merriman).
Vs. BUF
3rd and 10 at BUF 47 (5:53) (Shotgun) J.Losman sacked at BUF 40 for -7 yards (S.Merriman).
1st and 10 at BUF 45 (2:59) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Losman sacked at BUF 33 for -12 yards (S.Merriman).
Vs. DEN
3rd and 14 at DEN 14 (3:59) (Shotgun) J.Cutler sacked at DEN 14 for 0 yards (S.Merriman).
2nd and 7 at DEN 13 (3:21) (Shotgun) J.Cutler sacked at DEN 7 for -6 yards (S.Merriman).
Vs. KC
0 Sacks
Vs. SEA
1st and 10 at SEA 29 (14:55) M.Hasselbeck sacked at SEA 25 for -4 yards (S.Merriman).
1st and 10 at SD 40 (6:34) M.Hasselbeck sacked at SD 45 for -5 yards (S.Merriman).
2nd and 15 at SEA 23
15.5 total
7.5 1st down sacks.
3 2nd down sacks.
5 3rd down sacks.
Ware:
1st and 10 at WAS 47 (6:02) M.Brunell sacked at WAS 36 for -11 yards (D.Ware).
3rd and 5 at PHI 45 (2:05) D.McNabb sacked at PHI 37 for -8 yards (D.Ware).
3rd and 8 at NYG 31 (12:09) (Shotgun) E.Manning sacked at NYG 21 for -10 yards (D.Ware).
2nd and 17 at WAS 27 (9:14) M.Brunell sacked at WAS 18 for -9 yards (D.Ware).
3rd and 4 at ARZ 46 (7:21) (Shotgun) M.Leinart sacked at ARZ 37 for -9 yards (D.Ware).
1st and 10 at IND 22 (8:21) P.Manning sacked at IND 12 for -10 yards (D.Ware).
2nd and 10 at NO 24 (14:11) D.Brees sacked at NO 17 for -7 yards (D.Ware).
3rd and 7 at ATL 26 (6:32) (Shotgun) M.Vick sacked at ATL 24 for -2 yards (sack split by D.Ware and B.Carpenter).
7.5 total
2 1st down sacks.
2 2nd down sacks.
3.5 3rd down sacks.
i'd donate an extra $50 just to see EVERY DAMN FUTURE COMPARISON either nuked or moved to the NFL zone just because this is the STUPIDEST TOPIC SOME JACKWIPES insist (like you) on dredging up because they can think of nothing else to say about the team.
LET IT FRIGGING GO PEOPLE!
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iceberg;1256221 said:
Someone must have found coal in his stocking.
These threads appear to have a lot more interest than that 1,000,000 TO threads.
Oh well. Hopefully your day gets better.
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smarta5150;1255762 said:
Why are you asking...you just started one.
Where are your stats of how many plays have each player actullay have played. And then from those. How many times or % has Marriman rushed the QB...like 100%, because that is all he is asked to do.
How many times has Ware rushed the QB, I bet less than 50% of his palys. How many times has he covered a RB or TE orWR, how many times has he stayed in his position only to stop the RB for a no gain or loss.
Nice try on the thread, but for me, it didn't fool work.
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smarta5150;1256231 said:
the day is fine - but why keep dredging up the comparision as if it will change anything? if you like merriman, great - go like him. if you like ware, great - he's a good one too. but the never ending comparison and then subsequant whining is beyond old and enough to chase me outta here by all the parakeets who can't find something else to talk about.
they may as well call this the merrimanvsware.com forums.
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jazzcat22;1256239 said:
You mean "work fool?"
Oh well. Another pointless reply like this one in itself.
If people think these threads are annoying why post on it.
Your posts only move it to the top of the list and it continues to get more attention.
I posted it to "stir the pot" anyway if you actually read the thread.
Oh well.
Like I said earlier, I hope the day gets better for you guys... and all of us with a Dallas victory.
PS. Whether you like it or not - these threads will be here for years and years and years... and when you think it is done... another will pop up. Its inevitable, its what happens when draft picks so close to one another are so close in comparison at the same position.
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smarta5150;1256258 said:
and whether you like it or not there are those of us who have had MORE THAN ENOUGH of this topic to scream STOP IT every time someone *thinks* they can come up with something new about a topic so beaten to death is no longer bears a resemblence to life.
and to whoever moved this thread - THANK YOU! if this is a common move i'll follow up on my offer for $50 to ensure the main room is this topic free. : )
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take off the homer glasses. if ware is capable of sacking QB, coaches will ask him to do it. Watch chargers game if you think all merriman does is rush the QB.
Someone made the comment that Merriman gets sack because he faces 1-on-1 situations? My question is do you follow the chargers on TV? He is the player that they focus on stopping.
J Williams is a run stopper, not rusher. All he does is take up lineman on 1st and 2nd down. He doesn't play 3rd and long.
So the argument that chargers' D makes merriman better is false. he makes the defense better because teams focus on stopping merriman
Someone made the comment that Merriman gets sack because he faces 1-on-1 situations? My question is do you follow the chargers on TV? He is the player that they focus on stopping.
J Williams is a run stopper, not rusher. All he does is take up lineman on 1st and 2nd down. He doesn't play 3rd and long.
So the argument that chargers' D makes merriman better is false. he makes the defense better because teams focus on stopping merriman