CFZ No one wants to debate Pollards new role?

[blueblood70]

I'm pretty sure right now he's on pace for 1200 yards rushing, another 400 receiving, and 17 TDs. That would place his production firmly in the top 5 in the league. Pollard is not a problem.

As far as the # of carries in a game, I would agree that he is getting a few too many touches if we expect him to remain healthy all season. I would argue most of that has to do with game flow though. Dallas is absolutely destroying their opponents and has had to run ALOT in the second half of games to kill clock. If a game gets out of reach for the opponent, I would like to see Mike get Dowdle in there sooner and save TP's legs.

Can we not do the on pace thing that's not how it works he got worse as the season went on last year as I put actual facts up there for you to see he wore out he's not that kind of back I think he's better as a change of pace back is more why I started this I don't think he is a true number one he shouldn't be seen as a number one even though he should get more of the carries than anyone else they need to take some of those hard dirty runs away from him in the long run I think it would be better for the team and better for Tony Pollard..

Projections are for FF fans not real fans. Let's just stick with the last game remember that's what we would do if this was Ezekiel Elliott making $11 million a year and only having three yards per carry and by the way his average for the last six games is under 4 yards per carry... I'm just saying let's stay with facts not what we hope he's gonna do this year..

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Absolutely love the new running back looks. So much better than the cement shoed Zeke and his 2.222 yards per carry. Looks like he's doing the same thing in NE. Was 100% beyond time to move on.

LOL..have to lie about the stats to support your zeke hate.

Weird.Hilarious...but still weird.

 

[CATCH17]

Lol…

This thread sucks. Pollard is awesome.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

The Dlines for both NY teams are their strengths so it’s a real positive to see Pollard hang in there coming off his injury

 

[blueblood70]

Cowboys wanted to eat clock and play conservative. Another lopsided game where they didn't have to dig deep into the playbook.

Maybe Rico could of had more carries or even Deuce, but it's still early in the season and Pollard is their most experienced back. Could just be rolling with seniority or they saw something from Rico they didn't like(just a random though).

I doubt the Cowboys care if they overuse Pollard this year as I expect them to lowball him/let him walk next year.
But in the games that are closer/not just wanting to eat clock, I think Pollard will get less carries.

Which is 100% what Ezekiel Elliott did his entire career and yet people still brought it up after every game...

that he's making $11 million and only putting up 3.8 yards per carry.. Let's be fair here that's what we're doing this is exactly what a starting running back does and why their averages won't be 5.1 yards per carry most games that's why Tony Pollard a change of pace back when he got those bloated numbers once they put the ball in his hands more last year he fell off and so far this year as the number one he's getting a taste of what it's like to have to lower your average and hear it from fans like me because if you're going to get on a player like Ezekiel Elliott who is one of the best running backs the Cowboys ever had then this is gonna happen and I'm gonna make sure it stays at the top...

I'm not hating on the guy I'm reminding fans that This is why Ezekiel Elliott and a lot of power backs and guys who got the ball through all those dirty runs and eating clock at the end of the game is why their averages were affected... You get the point yet??

They literally called the man an overpaid washed up running back he did this very same thing most of the last two seasons when healthy.. Elliott has some games where he was close to five yards per carry he had games where he was around 3 yards per carry this is how it works when you have to tote the rock that many times and they keep handing it to you in the gold to go situations or to run the clock out that is exactly my point...

I'm just trying to do the checks and balances saying here this fan base called this man washed up he's one of the best Cowboys of all time now who's making $10 million and only getting three yards per carry??

 

[aikemirv]

Need to keep Pollard at 15 carries. Dowdle can carry some load too and so can Deuce

 

[blueblood70]

I think it’s a thoughtful post. I’m not sure the offense is in full swing at this time and I personally will be more critical of his production in another 2-3 games. I do think his carry count is too high. The next game could easily put a huge infusion of stats on the books that balances out this start.

You don't remember Ezekiel Elliott having 5.1 yards per carry to start the season last year against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and they stopped giving him the football I mean he was at 4.8 yards per carry before he got injured the year before same thing first half of the season before he tore his PCL he was running pretty well for a man who's supposed to be washed up and who gets the ball all the time I think you're missing the point when you're the number one running back and you're handed the ball that many times especially in golden go situations short yardage situations and when you're eating clock it affects your yards per carry so who's making $10 million and only get three yards per carry last game his name is Tony Pollard not Ezekiel Elliott so we can call him wash is he already washed??

I thought Ezekiel Elliott was holding back Tony Pollard but I think Ezekiel Elliott taking all The Dirty yards and all the hard runs and letting Tony Pollard be the change of pace back actually helped Tony Pollard..

My post isn't to hate on Tony Pollard I understand who he is and I believe they should use Rico dowdle and some of the other running backs more and keep this guy fresh because I wanna see the big play guy I wanna see the burst I want Tony Pollard to be the best he can be and that was with somebody else getting The Dirty yards..

 

[stiletto]

LOL..have to lie about the stats to support your zeke hate.

Weird.Hilarious...but still weird.

No hate, he just sucks...

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Can we not do the on pace thing that's not how it works he got worse as the season went on last year as I put actual facts up there for you to see he wore out he's not that kind of back I think he's better as a change of pace back is more why I started this I don't think he is a true number one he shouldn't be seen as a number one even though he should get more of the carries than anyone else they need to take some of those hard dirty runs away from him in the long run I think it would be better for the team and better for Tony Pollard..

Projections are for FF fans not real fans. Let's just stick with the last game remember that's what we would do if this was Ezekiel Elliott making $11 million a year and only having three yards per carry and by the way his average for the last six games is under 4 yards per carry... I'm just saying let's stay with facts not what we hope he's gonna do this year..

While I generally don't approve of cherry picking OUT stats...I will do it sometimes just to see what one play does to them.

While I just said we rely on 2-3 big plays from tony as matter of course...I took out his 25 yard run...and looked at the average per carry. Significant difference.

Now...before anyone goes a.s. on me...I'm not using that to bash Tony. I've already expressed my satisfaction. Just an exercise to see how his big plays mix in with stats.

I do think we should take good care of tony and continue using other plays and players like Turpin and CD for example.

 

[Jarntt]

One of the best moves this team has made was getting rid of Zeke and his contract. 2023 Dowdle is better than 2023 Zeke and I don't even think the biggest Zeke fans can dispute that. I love the Pollard Dowdle combo.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

No hate, he just sucks...

When you feel the need to lie about stats....it's hate bro.

 

[Jarntt]

That many touches in a game like that seemed really stupid, especially since the ground game wasn't really effective anyway.

When you are up big you want to limit turnovers and kill clock and especially with a defense that is playing like our has so far. That means run, run, run. If you mean split it up more between Pollard and the others I see your point but don't necessarily agree (I don't necessarily disagree either). Pollard is our #1 and for a reason, but if you want to throw a few more carries to Dowdle in a blowout I won't complain

 

[blueblood70]

While I generally don't approve of cherry picking OUT stats...I will do it sometimes just to see what one play does to them.

While I just said we rely on 2-3 big plays from tony as matter of course...I took out his 25 yard run...and looked at the average per carry. Significant difference.

Now...before anyone goes a.s. on me...I'm not using that to bash Tony. I've already expressed my satisfaction. Just an exercise to see how his big plays mix in with stats.

I do think we should take good care of tony and continue using other plays and players like Turpin and CD for example.

Yes he's no different than saquon Barkley Alvin Kamara Christian McCaffrey those type of backs should be more change of pace backs as soon as you give them too many carries this is what happens they lose the big play ability and even though they're productive enough you're not utilizing them correctly you're not getting the full benefit of who they really are... Like I said I like Tony Pollard I just think they need to start give the ball more to Rico dowdle and the other backs and let Tony Pollard do some Tony call her things... I just found it ironic and hypocritical some of these stories coming about how they should give Tony Pollard a good pat on the back for 25 carries and 75 yards and the first thing that came to mind was Ezekiel Elliott 3 yards per carry would have been criticized and I just wanted to bring it up...

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

One of the best moves this team has made was getting rid of Zeke and his contract. 2023 Dowdle is better than 2023 Zeke and I don't even think the biggest Zeke fans can dispute that. I love the Pollard Dowdle combo.

Zeke certainly did decline (you expected him to keep or beat those 1800 yard seasons? WT...)...but KM did him no favors. The TEAM ruined him. His last play as a Cowboy perfectly exemplifies it.

 

[blueblood70]

While I generally don't approve of cherry picking OUT stats...I will do it sometimes just to see what one play does to them.

While I just said we rely on 2-3 big plays from tony as matter of course...I took out his 25 yard run...and looked at the average per carry. Significant difference.

Now...before anyone goes a.s. on me...I'm not using that to bash Tony. I've already expressed my satisfaction. Just an exercise to see how his big plays mix in with stats.

I do think we should take good care of tony and continue using other plays and players like Turpin and CD for example.

Well it's not cherry picking if you look at his last five games of last year and these first two games this year and take that average, that's what I'm talking about.. The more they have given Tony Pollard more carries especially the ones he's has to run up the middle and short yardage and go line it is affecting his burst and his normal ability to have that special play per game...

 

[John813]

Which is 100% what Ezekiel Elliott did his entire career and yet people still brought it up after every game...

that he's making $11 million and only putting up 3.8 yards per carry.. Let's be fair here that's what we're doing this is exactly what a starting running back does and why their averages won't be 5.1 yards per carry most games that's why Tony Pollard a change of pace back when he got those bloated numbers once they put the ball in his hands more last year he fell off and so far this year as the number one he's getting a taste of what it's like to have to lower your average and hear it from fans like me because if you're going to get on a player like Ezekiel Elliott who is one of the best running backs the Cowboys ever had then this is gonna happen and I'm gonna make sure it stays at the top...

I'm not hating on the guy I'm reminding fans that This is why Ezekiel Elliott and a lot of power backs and guys who got the ball through all those dirty runs and eating clock at the end of the game is why their averages were affected... You get the point yet??

They literally called the man an overpaid washed up running back he did this very same thing most of the last two seasons when healthy.. Elliott has some games where he was close to five yards per carry he had games where he was around 3 yards per carry this is how it works when you have to tote the rock that many times and they keep handing it to you in the gold to go situations or to run the clock out that is exactly my point...

I'm just trying to do the checks and balances saying here this fan base called this man washed up he's one of the best Cowboys of all time now who's making $10 million and only getting three yards per carry??

I get it,but I don't get the point of revisiting the past unless it's to pick bones with others.

Every player will get hated on at some point by a portion of the fanbase. Ware, Zeke, Bryant, Romo, etc... It could have some truth in it or just be a mosh pit of ignorance.
Current players get flack too, right or wrong.

Zeke played well for us for most of his career, but it was time for change, as evidenced by the FO just cutting him and not bothering with a paycut like they did with players like Tyron or Sean Lee in the past.

The Cowboys are 2-0, and have solidly destroyed two teams in the process. Most don't want to over analyze players production when the team is riding high.
Had the Cowboys lost both games, you bet more would want to question the coaching staff/player roles.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yes he's no different than saquon Barkley Alvin Kamara Christian McCaffrey those type of backs should be more change of pace backs as soon as you give them too many carries this is what happens they lose the big play ability and even though they're productive enough you're not utilizing them correctly you're not getting the full benefit of who they really are... Like I said I like Tony Pollard I just think they need to start give the ball more to Rico dowdle and the other backs and let Tony Pollard do some Tony call her things... I just found it ironic and hypocritical some of these stories coming about how they should give Tony Pollard a good pat on the back for 25 carries and 75 yards and the first thing that came to mind was Ezekiel Elliott 3 yards per carry would have been criticized and I just wanted to bring it up...

Roy probably won;t show.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

When you are up big you want to limit turnovers and kill clock and especially with a defense that is playing like our has so far. That means run, run, run. If you mean split it up more between Pollard and the others I see your point but don't necessarily agree. Pollard is our #1 and for a reason.

Yes, you absolutely split it. If TP was averaging 5 ypc or something, then fine, feed him. But it's not like the run game was particularly good.

You have 4 running backs active. There's no reason for TP to get 30 touches in a game that's essentially a blowout.

 

[Bullflop]

While there is room for improvement with a bell cow type of RB, Jerry and Stephen aren't disposed to spend what it would likely take to get one.
They are evidently satisfied with an offense that isn't what it might take to contend for a Super Bowl contending team. They've managed to convince themselves that they're satisfied with what they have. Paying the price for what they'd have to spend to win a SB title just isn't actually their plan.

 

[foofighters]

It's been a great start to the season so don't get me wrong but being a huge Ezekiel Elliott fan and getting tired of all the negativity that went towards his allegedly being washed you know how much mileage that dude has on his legs from the back-to-back 1800 yard seasons in college his 1600 yard top five rookie campaign and all the carries he got here and then he's being criticized for having 3.8 yards per carry being the number one back.....

I like Tony Pollard but let's go back and see what his last six games looks like and I can tell you this right now without even going with a calculator he finished the season last year, the last five games, he got injured twice, 3.8 yards per carry, no touchdowns, no explosive plays, 51 yards per game...hmmm​

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He's somehow being applauded for his 25 carries 75-yard output against The Jets, who have yes a very good defense our offensive lines a little banged up but when did Ezekiel Elliott ever get this type of positivity and being pat on the back for something like that??​

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I've been saying this all along Tony Pollard is not a true number one running back when he has to take carries on 1st and 2nd down and he's the new target for the defense, this was gonna happen and this fact is his legs are not overused, he is not Ezekiel Elliott he never has been he never will be as far as what he did in college and what Elliott did for our team you know 8200 rushing yards a ton of touchdowns, great receiving stats, you know he could be compared to some of the greats..​

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So in my opinion we should discuss this and what I think needs to happen is the coaches should limit Tony Pollard to under 18 yards of carry every game now, I know he held up but don't you want Tony Pollard to be Tony Pollard come playoff time?​

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I think the plan should be to use him less,​

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use Rico dowdle, use deuce Vaughn, use the true running back by committee to keep Tony pollard's legs fresher for the bigger game's, bigger moments, and for sure the playoffs.​

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I would like his explosiveness back and we knew this was going to happen the man should not be carrying the ball more than 15 to 18 yards a game and if he's got to run all these dirty plays and these short yardage plays, which by the way some of the red zone issues are because of the running back situation here and we miss Elliot a little bit that I think that coaches are making a mistake running this dude 25 * a game... I mean this is exactly what we thought Tony Pollard was he literally has to have one of those big long runs in order to have that lofty 5 yards per carry average everybody was bragging about well where did that go? So now you're telling me that Tony Pollard should be applauded for looking like a washed up Ezekiel Elliott?​

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Again this is not a knock on Tony Pollard,​

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I was just sitting here reading one of these Facebook stories about how Tony powers our new bell cow back he should be applauded for his efforts for 25 carries but they don't mention 3 yards per carry is a pretty weak showing for a starting running back and yet if this was Elliot they'd be talking about how he needs to be benched and cut and he's making too much money does anybody remember that Tony powers making $10 million???​

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So I think in my opinion the coaches are making a mistake here....​

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I know somebody's going to say I shouldn't be negative or winning the games blah blah blah but I'm thinking ahead I'd like Tony Pollard to get back to the way he was if he needs to get less carries then that's what we should do...​

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I don't think you understand what MM is doing. Look at the pass plays versus the run plays. The team had 134 yards of rushing and made very little mistakes. This is the point right now as the first team gets reps in and up to speed with the new offense. We need to calm down right now and see what we have around the 49ers game.