CFZ No one wants to debate Pollards new role?

[erod]

Something does look off when Dowdle looks more explosive and Pollard averaged 2.9 yards per carry.

That was too many carries for him.

 

[starfan1]

While I generally don't approve of cherry picking OUT stats...I will do it sometimes just to see what one play does to them.

While I just said we rely on 2-3 big plays from tony as matter of course...I took out his 25 yard run...and looked at the average per carry. Significant difference.

Now...before anyone goes a.s. on me...I'm not using that to bash Tony. I've already expressed my satisfaction. Just an exercise to see how his big plays mix in with stats.

I do think we should take good care of tony and continue using other plays and players like Turpin and CD for example.

I think you can do that with any RB in the league. If its your belief (or anyones) that we need a big bruiser like zeke and have the #1 be a bell cow then i can see where the concern is on whether tony will stay healthy. I do think his touches should be monitored. The offesne ids more explosive with him versus zeke we may lose a little down by the goal line but Tony isnt a slouch down there either hes just not zeke.

The pile will always go forward with zeke but Id rather lose that and gain explosiveness. I think Mccarthy and his playcalling will play a role in things

 

[Jarntt]

Zeke certainly did decline (you expected him to keep or beat those 1800 yard seasons? WT...)...but KM did him no favors. The TEAM ruined him. His last play as a Cowboy perfectly exemplifies it.

Blame the reason for it on who you want if it makes you feel better, but the fact still remains that Zeke 2023 is not any good and the Cowboys are better off without him in a cap world

 

[kskboys]

I think you can do that with any RB in the league. If its your belief (or anyones) that we need a big bruiser like zeke and have the #1 be a bell cow then i can see where the concern is on whether tony will say healthy. I do think his touches should be monitored. The offesne ids more explosive with him versus zeke we may lose a little down by the goal line but Tony isnt a slouch down there either hes just not zeke.

The pile will always go forward with zeke but Id rather lose that and gain explosiveness. I think Mccarthy and his playcalling will play a role in things

Explosive is not always the best. Man, you must have hated Emmit Smith.

Getting the dirty yards is what gets you to super bowls.

 

[blueblood70]

I don't think you understand what MM is doing. Look at the pass plays versus the run plays. The team had 134 yards of rushing and made very little mistakes. This is the point right now as the first team gets reps in and up to speed with the new offense. We need to calm down right now and see what we have around the 49ers game.

First of all no one's overreacting we're having a regular discussion here and I do understand fully I've been watching football all my life I played football I'm telling you that's exactly how Ezekiel Elliott was used with Jason Garrett and Mike McCarthy a bunch of dirty short yardage dump offs all that stuff and that's why his beverage is affected there were years where Emmett Smith only had 3.8 yards per carry over an entire season that is my point you're missing my point as equality was being called washed for doing the same thing.. It doesn't matter if he had a drop off the man had 100 times more carries than Tony Pollard and still could put up games that were 25 for 75... We're just making sure we're keeping the checks and balances here wake up you're making excuses for Tony Pollard when no one was allowing that for zekiel Elliot..

 

[Gambit]

That many touches in a game like that seemed really stupid, especially since the ground game wasn't really effective anyway.

Define effective. I'd say chewing up 42 minutes of time of possession and scoring on 80% of drives is indeed effective.

We ran 44 times, we didn't need 200 yards rushing, just chew clock up and convert 3rd downs, which we did 50% of the time.

 

[blueblood70]

While there is room for improvement with a bell cow type of RB, Jerry and Stephen aren't disposed to spend what it would likely take to get one.
They are evidently satisfied with an offense that isn't what it might take to contend for a Super Bowl contending team. They've managed to convince themselves that they're satisfied with what they have. Paying the price for what they'd need to spend to win a SB title just isn't their plan.

My point wasn't to replace Tony Pollard it was to lower his carries that way he's fresher and he can do more tony pollard things. But Tony Pollard won't be here next year these are the very reasons why you can't pay a man this much money and he can't bring anything that's the table that's outstanding enough to paying that kind of money we're just gonna draft another running back next year....

You're mistaking my post for being critical of Tony Pollard when I'm truly just reminding people this is what it looks like to be a starting running back and all the creepo criticizing Ezekiel Elliott for being washed when his being washed looks like Tony Pollard looks right now it's the only reason I brought it up... Of course Ezekiel Elliott dropped off from his rookie year he had back-to-back 1800 yards in college has a 1600 yard campaign as a rookie wins a rushing crown could have had three straight rushing crowns has 8200 yards rushing a lot of touchdowns a lot of receiving yards one of the best running backs to ever play for the Dallas Cowboys and yet could still do what Tony Pollard did the other night. I just wanted to be sure people understood the difference between a Tony Pollard being a change of pace back where defenses were not loading up to just stop him and they weren't making him run short yardage and goal line all the time in his puffy little 5.1 yards per carry go away.. Yes he will have another big game he will have a big run I'm just trying to remind people that calling Ezekiel Elliott washed up and overpaid calling him names calling him fat and out of shape well Tony Pollard must have lost everything overnight..

 

[Big_D]

My god the crying for a bruising RB is comical around here. Pollard is 210 pounds and plenty capable of inside runs. Same weight as a guy like Aaron Jones. Yet people make it sound like he weighs 170. lol

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Define effective. I'd say chewing up 42 minutes of time of possession and scoring on 80% of drives is indeed effective.

We ran 44 times, we didn't need 200 yards rushing, just chew clock up and convert 3rd downs, which we did 50% of the time.

Averaging 2.9 ypc means you can do that with any RB.

Converting on third-down just means the passing game was good.

 

[blueblood70]

Define effective. I'd say chewing up 42 minutes of time of possession and scoring on 80% of drives is indeed effective.

We ran 44 times, we didn't need 200 yards rushing, just chew clock up and convert 3rd downs, which we did 50% of the time.

For sure who cares about that I'm just talking about the fact is if this was Ezekiel Elliott they would call him fat slow overpaid overrated washed up and that he's holding Tony Pollard back and in fact it's not even the truth yes he was older yes his contract needed to be gone off this roster but I'm bringing up some good points here that when you're the number one back this can be what you look like when the games go like this..... Yes we were effective enough this is what you should do when you're playing in a defensive battle and you're trying to keep the game in check I like the way they're calling plays but I'm just telling you Tony Pollard will be more effective if you keep h....wn and give more carries to the other backs.

I'm looking more at wanting Tony Pollard to be more fresh in the big games against the Eagles against the 49ers I want him to be in the playoffs ready to go if you keep doing what we did last game to him he will be done before the end of the season just like last year I already brought it up he finished the same way last year 3.8 yards per carry no touchdowns no explosive plays the last five games and got injured twice...

I just want them to pull back the reins on him a little bit and not try to prove he's the number one back..

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Blame the reason for it on who you want if it makes you feel better, but the fact still remains that Zeke 2023 is not any good and the Cowboys are better off without him in a cap world

Same to you.
For the record....i like our rbs and the way a real oc manages them.

 

[Ranching]

You shouldn’t be negative.

I don't think that's negative, just the truth. Pollard is an explosive player....giving him too many carries, especially up the middle will take away from that explosiveness. It's a long season and we will need him to be fresh and healthy when we get to the playoffs.

 

[big dog cowboy]

That many touches in a game like that seemed really stupid, especially since the ground game wasn't really effective anyway.

That wasn't the point of the ground game against a top tier defense. They moved the sticks and kept the clock running. Mission accomplished. Twice as many rushing attempts than passing attempts is a very good thing.

 

[Jarv]

Yeah I always thought Zeke carried too much of the load and at the end of the Jets game I was happy seeing Tony banging his head in there when we could have had Rico or Duece doing the same.,,,Or maybe even Hunter.

Hopefully the coaches will realize the same soon.

 

[starfan1]

Explosive is not always the best. Man, you must have hated Emmit Smith.

Getting the dirty yards is what gets you to super bowls.

having an offensive line that opens up holes is what gets you the yards.Zeke isnt exlusive to success in that role. I loved Emmitt ,I loved tony D and I root for all cowboys RB

 

[blueblood70]

I don't think that's negative, just the truth. Pollard is an explosive player....giving him too many carries, especially up the middle will take away from that explosiveness. It's a long season and we will need him to be fresh and healthy when we get to the playoffs.

TY!!

yeah I'm not sure why people thought it was being critical when I was just being honest...​

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Tony Pollard was Tony Pollard because of what zeke did and I think people need to understand that and maybe we need to find roles for Rico dowdle and some of the other guys to take some of those dirty carries away from Pollard...​

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I think they're trying to prove paying him $10 million and making him the number one back that he can handle the role and I think that's a mistake from the coaches... Maybe it is just one game but I just like to see them find a larger role for the other running backs and keep Tony Pollard for those bigger important moments in games against teams like the Eagles and the 49ers and the playoffs, I want to see him fresher...​

 

[blueblood70]

Yeah I always thought Zeke carried too much of the load and at the end of the Jets game I was happy seeing Tony banging his head in there when we could have had Rico or Duece doing the same.,,,Or maybe even Hunter.

Hopefully the coaches will realize the same soon.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I think you can do that with any RB in the league. If its your belief (or anyones) that we need a big bruiser like zeke and have the #1 be a bell cow then i can see where the concern is on whether tony will stay healthy. I do think his touches should be monitored. The offesne ids more explosive with him versus zeke we may lose a little down by the goal line but Tony isnt a slouch down there either hes just not zeke.

The pile will always go forward with zeke but Id rather lose that and gain explosiveness. I think Mccarthy and his playcalling will play a role in things

I thought i made clear i pick cherries OUT with extreme caution...every play matters. Big plays can matter and we rely on tony doing that a couple times a game. Hes just gonna have a lot of 2-3 yard plays too.
I agree with everything you said....especially a coach that commits to a proper nfl run game.

 

[Creeper]

Week 1 Pollard seemed a little slow to me, slow for Pollard. Week 2 he looked better so maybe it was the rain week 1 that slowed everyone down.

I think Pollard looks fine and Rico Dowdle shows a lot more power up the gut than I expected. Deuce has not impressed me yet. Not sure what it is but he seems to get hit behind the line a lot. Maybe defenses have keyed on him a little? This week he had 3 rushes for 16 yards, 13 came on one play where they caught the Jets off guard and Deuce had a blocker and a clear path outside.

But I credit the Jets LBs who are very quick to the ball.

 

[stiletto]

When you feel the need to lie about stats....it's hate bro.

Well obviously, you have the sense of humor of a potato. My stat was tongue in cheek. Get over yourself.