CFZ No one wants to debate Pollards new role?

[johneric8]

There is nothing to debate. The new west coast system is a share the load system with the backs and zeke wasn't helping at all except for blocking and he was making too much money. The offense is better and more productive without him overall its obvious.... why even debate? Pollard can carry the load if needed he has shown it against great fronts.... give it a rest negative Nancy poster.

 

[blueblood70]

Week 1 Pollard seemed a little slow to me, slow for Pollard. Week 2 he looked better so maybe it was the rain week 1 that slowed everyone down.

I think Pollard looks fine and Rico Dowdle shows a lot more power up the gut than I expected. Deuce has not impressed me yet. Not sure what it is but he seems to get hit behind the line a lot. Maybe defenses have keyed on him a little? This week he had 3 rushes for 16 yards, 13 came on one play where they caught the Jets off guard and Deuce had a blocker and a clear path outside.

But I credit the Jets LBs who are very quick to the ball.

You know you're not allowed to do that right you're taking away his 13 yard play well why don't we take Tony pollard's 25 yard play out of it and see how bad he really looked?? I haven't done that yet but that's one play 25 yards so that's 50 yards on 21 carries how you like them apples?? I'm just being facetious here but that's in all honesty you can't do that you just took a man's 13 yard play away that looked very good and he's a rookie he's trying to get his legs under him Tony Pollard has been put up on a pedestal here saying he should have been the number one all along and I'm just bringing in some honest facts here some feedback that's it I'm not hating on the guy I like Tony Pollard he's a Dallas cowboy,

I want him to make more big plays.. The only way to truly do that is to limit his carries more especially in short yardage and goal line not all the time but 25 or 75 to me it's too much of A load I never wanted to see the man have over 20 carries and I said 15 to 18 at the beginning of the season we should stick to the plan they had last year for him and worked these other guys in more... You are correct The Jets defense has something to do with it but so did the 49ers defenses started the Washington defenses I mean last year you know that Tony Pollard had like 1.8 yards per carry against the two Washington games??? So whenever we were criticizing Ezekiel Elliott this is what you have to keep in mind he did this same thing every game..

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

That wasn't the point of the ground game against a top tier defense. They moved the sticks and kept the clock running. Mission accomplished. Twice as many rushing attempts than passing attempts is a very good thing.

You can only do that when you throw the ball well.

And again, if the goal isn't to be efficient, then you don't need to give TP 30+ touches. That's literally my point.

 

[blueblood70]

There is nothing to debate. The new west coast system is a share the load system with the backs and zeke wasn't helping at all except for blocking and he was making too much money. The offense is better and more productive without him overall its obvious.... why even debate? Pollard can carry the load if needed he has shown it against great fronts.... give it a rest negative Nancy poster.

How is the offense overall better without him if he's not played in it? So there is a debate because now you're trying to say he couldn't be doing this right now in this offense sharing the load with three other running backs instead of him being the guy all the time on short yardage go lying and doing all The Dirty work inside that's my whole entire point and premise to start this it's guys like you that statement was unnecessary..$10 million one carry for 25 yards 24 carries for 50 yards you say that that's effective that that was Elliot you'd be criticizing him right now... But thanks this is the post I needed you are the guy you are part of that fan base that you think that Elliot couldn't have done this in this system but you have not seen him in it..Nice!! LOL

 

[Proof]

Which is 100% what Ezekiel Elliott did his entire career and yet people still brought it up after every game...

that he's making $11 million and only putting up 3.8 yards per carry.. Let's be fair here that's what we're doing this is exactly what a starting running back does and why their averages won't be 5.1 yards per carry most games that's why Tony Pollard a change of pace back when he got those bloated numbers once they put the ball in his hands more last year he fell off and so far this year as the number one he's getting a taste of what it's like to have to lower your average and hear it from fans like me because if you're going to get on a player like Ezekiel Elliott who is one of the best running backs the Cowboys ever had then this is gonna happen and I'm gonna make sure it stays at the top...

I'm not hating on the guy I'm reminding fans that This is why Ezekiel Elliott and a lot of power backs and guys who got the ball through all those dirty runs and eating clock at the end of the game is why their averages were affected... You get the point yet??

They literally called the man an overpaid washed up running back he did this very same thing most of the last two seasons when healthy.. Elliott has some games where he was close to five yards per carry he had games where he was around 3 yards per carry this is how it works when you have to tote the rock that many times and they keep handing it to you in the gold to go situations or to run the clock out that is exactly my point...

I'm just trying to do the checks and balances saying here this fan base called this man washed up he's one of the best Cowboys of all time now who's making $10 million and only getting three yards per carry??

one was the number 4 overall pick, and the highest paid running back in the league. the other a 4th rounder who's on a one year deal. one is coming off of significant injury and played against two of the best fronts in the league, and the other is gone. and zeke was rarely getting crap for having a lower ypc while salting away victories. it was when we were losing and he still was plodding along and stalling drives. yes there were outliers like cowboy roy who would take any and every opportunity to belittle him, but a lot of us were critical when warranted. will be with pollard to, we're not there yet though and you picked the wrong time to have the convo

 

[blueblood70]

one was the number 4 overall pick, and the highest paid running back in the league. the other a 4th rounder who's on a one year deal. one is coming off of significant injury and played against two of the best fronts in the league, and the other is gone. and zeke was rarely getting crap for having a lower ypc while salting away victories. it was when we were losing and he still was plodding along and stalling drives. yes there were outliers like cowboy roy who would take any and every opportunity to belittle him, but a lot of us were critical when warranted. will be with pollard to, we're not there yet though and you picked the wrong time to have the convo

I'm not even gonna finish reading that because it doesn't matter if he's the number four overall pick what he did his first four years after back-to-back 1800 years solidified why he was picked number 4.. Then why do we compare4 ,he was a fourth rounder compared to a whole bunch of first rounders.

Where your pick in the draft doesn't have anything to do with it remember once you're on the team and you get paid what she's making $10 million you are now the target you are the number one running back and I'm going to make it even and here we are making it even. I'm glad I got the people I was looking for to come out of their cracks and their holes to try to defend a very low average output for a $10 million player..., literally one carry 25 yards, 24 carries 50 yards it's not a great day for any running back making $10 million that's a Jag bro..

Yep Tony Pollard must be fat slow and washed because that's what type of responses we would have got from this fanbase not all of us but the ones that I'm drawing out right now.. I didn't pick the wrong time we do this game the game remember this is just about last game but I'm bringing up the fact that last game was it the first time he finished the season last year the same way the last five games and now he has another game like that I'm just telling you it's time to be real every game he makes $10 million he's the number one back and now we get to talk about him like we talked about one of the greatest running backs that ever played for the Dallas Cowboys and Ezekiel Elliott now he gets his fair share..

And I'll be the first one to come on here when he has a great game and tell him kudos you have a great game that's how it should be...

 

[blueblood70]

one was the number 4 overall pick, and the highest paid running back in the league. the other a 4th rounder who's on a one year deal. one is coming off of significant injury and played against two of the best fronts in the league, and the other is gone. and zeke was rarely getting crap for having a lower ypc while salting away victories. it was when we were losing and he still was plodding along and stalling drives. yes there were outliers like cowboy roy who would take any and every opportunity to belittle him, but a lot of us were critical when warranted. will be with pollard to, we're not there yet though and you picked the wrong time to have the convo

you mean like zeke who started out two years in a row near 5 yards per carry and got injured really bad injured and stayed playing anyway and is play dropped off some and his yards per carry dropped off some and then criticized nature of this place just came at him over and over and over that's a fact so now you're using excuses the man is the number one running back it doesn't matter where he was picked he's making $10 million that's the point... This isn't critical this is making a point this is proving a point that Elliot was overly criticized even though he was one of the best backs to ever play for the Dallas Cowboys he was one of the top backs in the NFL for four straight years two rushing crowns would have had three in a row had he not been suspended that's a fact and I'm making sure people remember how they responded when he had games like this...

 

[Ranching]

TY!!

yeah I'm not sure why people thought it was being critical when I was just being honest...​

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Tony Pollard was Tony Pollard because of what zeke did and I think people need to understand that and maybe we need to find roles for Rico dowdle and some of the other guys to take some of those dirty carries away from Pollard...​

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I think they're trying to prove paying him $10 million and making him the number one back that he can handle the role and I think that's a mistake from the coaches... Maybe it is just one game but I just like to see them find a larger role for the other running backs and keep Tony Pollard for those bigger important moments in games against teams like the Eagles and the 49ers and the playoffs, I want to see him fresher...​

They should have yanked him in the 4th when the game was at hand.

 

[foofighters]

First of all no one's overreacting we're having a regular discussion here and I do understand fully I've been watching football all my life I played football I'm telling you that's exactly how Ezekiel Elliott was used with Jason Garrett and Mike McCarthy a bunch of dirty short yardage dump offs all that stuff and that's why his beverage is affected there were years where Emmett Smith only had 3.8 yards per carry over an entire season that is my point you're missing my point as equality was being called washed for doing the same thing.. It doesn't matter if he had a drop off the man had 100 times more carries than Tony Pollard and still could put up games that were 25 for 75... We're just making sure we're keeping the checks and balances here wake up you're making excuses for Tony Pollard when no one was allowing that for zekiel Elliot..

I'd appreciate a little proof reading. That way I don't have to go back and proof read for you for understanding. So if I understand you, you're talking about checks and balances in the running game because it appears that things look the same as with Zeke. Discuss it until you're blue in the face. Have at it! All I am saying is that we're basing this off of two games that includes an offensive switch. It's obvious that the approach is to limit mistakes while giving the defense every opportunity to flourish. In the end, who cares about stats or usage. It's about wins and we've looked pretty good in these two wins. All I am saying is we need a few more games to actually have solid conversation based on a pattern of facts. You wanna talk about two games worth of information with a team still getting used to a new approach, have at it!

 

[jterrell]

Dallas is moving in the direction of the rest of the league.
Play 3 RB and let a hot hand cook.

TP is more than fine but he also may be a 1-year solution. But let's go win a conference then worry about that.
When Dallas plays softer defenses, TP will feast late when defenses are gassed.

 

[Proof]

you mean like zeke who started out two years in a row near 5 yards per carry and got injured really bad injured and stayed playing anyway and is play dropped off some and his yards per carry dropped off some and then criticized nature of this place just came at him over and over and over that's a fact so now you're using excuses the man is the number one running back it doesn't matter where he was picked he's making $10 million that's the point... This isn't critical this is making a point this is proving a point that Elliot was overly criticized even though he was one of the best backs to ever play for the Dallas Cowboys he was one of the top backs in the NFL for four straight years two rushing crowns would have had three in a row had he not been suspended that's a fact and I'm making sure people remember how they responded when he had games like this...

yeah I don't have a dog in the fight because I don't care. Zeke was criticized after holding out and getting the monster contract. And yes it does matter where you were picked, and what you are paid. Of course it does. If you're trying to argue that Pollard will produce similarly to Zeke did in the latter half of his time here, cool. Guess we'll see. We're not tied to him though, are still not paying him what Zeke was making and can just keep the conveyor belt moving.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Well obviously, you have the sense of humor of a potato. My stat was tongue in cheek. Get over yourself.

I dont think im the only one that should do that.

 

[Denim Chicken]

. Pollard is an explosive player....giving him too many carries, especially up the middle will take away from that explosiveness.

why?? What is the mechanism that is draining explosiveness? Conditioning, durability?

Everyone says this like its some kind of confirmed fact.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

Can we not do the on pace thing that's not how it works he got worse as the season went on last year as I put actual facts up there for you to see he wore out he's not that kind of back I think he's better as a change of pace back is more why I started this I don't think he is a true number one he shouldn't be seen as a number one even though he should get more of the carries than anyone else they need to take some of those hard dirty runs away from him in the long run I think it would be better for the team and better for Tony Pollard..

Projections are for FF fans not real fans. Let's just stick with the last game remember that's what we would do if this was Ezekiel Elliott making $11 million a year and only having three yards per carry and by the way his average for the last six games is under 4 yards per carry... I'm just saying let's stay with facts not what we hope he's gonna do this year..

Ok then? So what exactly is your basis for thinking he is going to get worse as the season goes on? He was still putting up big games at the end of last season.

What are your actual "facts" you claim to be sticking to? Blind speculation that he's "not that kind of back"? Dude, that is not a fact. That is quite simply your opinion.

I agree with you that it would probably be wise to shift 5-10 of his carries to other backs in order to preserve his legs over a long season, but to say that TP isn't capable of handling a high volume of touches does not align with reality. Pollard had the 21st most touches last season and still posted one of the highest per touch yard averages in the entire league.

If you really think that Zeke Elliot and Tony Pollard are even remotely close in productivity at this point in their careers, I don't know what to tell you. Based on his performance last year and with the Patriots so far this season, Zeke would have run for 40 yards against that front on the same amount of carries.

 

[Creeper]

You know you're not allowed to do that right you're taking away his 13 yard play well why don't we take Tony pollard's 25 yard play out of it and see how bad he really looked?? I haven't done that yet but that's one play 25 yards so that's 50 yards on 21 carries how you like them apples?? I'm just being facetious here but that's in all honesty you can't do that you just took a man's 13 yard play away that looked very good and he's a rookie he's trying to get his legs under him Tony Pollard has been put up on a pedestal here saying he should have been the number one all along and I'm just bringing in some honest facts here some feedback that's it I'm not hating on the guy I like Tony Pollard he's a Dallas cowboy,

I want him to make more big plays.. The only way to truly do that is to limit his carries more especially in short yardage and goal line not all the time but 25 or 75 to me it's too much of A load I never wanted to see the man have over 20 carries and I said 15 to 18 at the beginning of the season we should stick to the plan they had last year for him and worked these other guys in more... You are correct The Jets defense has something to do with it but so did the 49ers defenses started the Washington defenses I mean last year you know that Tony Pollard had like 1.8 yards per carry against the two Washington games??? So whenever we were criticizing Ezekiel Elliott this is what you have to keep in mind he did this same thing every game..

I get it but the play I was referring to was so well blocked I could have run around the end and picked up positive yards. I am joking of course, but I think any NFL RB would have gotten yards there.

In game 1 Vaughn had 6 carries for 8 yards, and in game 2 he had 3 carries for 16 yards, 13 coming on that one 1 play. So all together he has 9 carries for 24 yards. He has done nothing impressive yet. I have no idea why they took Pollard off the field early in the game to get Vaughn in. I suspect it was because they felt throwing him out their against the Giants when they were killing the clock was an unfair way to gauge his ability. I would agree with that.

But I only want what's best for the team and if trying run run Vaughn outside winds up in a 2 yard loss 50% of the time, I'd rather Dowdle run it up the gut where he seems to squeeze out a few positive yards.

I freely admit, I never bought the Vaughn hype. I saw his college videos but the NFL is a much faster game and there are no slouch teams or players in the NFL. I have nothing against the player, I just need to see him do something special at this level of play before I will be convinced he is the real deal. I would say the same about any other rookie player.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

There is nothing to debate. The new west coast system is a share the load system with the backs and zeke wasn't helping at all except for blocking and he was making too much money. The offense is better and more productive without him overall its obvious.... why even debate? Pollard can carry the load if needed he has shown it against great fronts.... give it a rest negative Nancy poster.

It depends on how you define productive.
Ultra Dak Crusaders roasted cooper last year for his underwhelming stats...it was the defense that won.
I think we're seeing much the same thing here.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Ok then? So what exactly is your basis for thinking he is going to get worse as the season goes on? He was still putting up big games at the end of last season.

What are your actual "facts" you claim to be sticking to? Blind speculation that he's "not that kind of back"? Dude, that is not a fact. That is quite simply your opinion.

I agree with you that it would probably be wise to shift 5-10 of his carries to other backs in order to preserve his legs over a long season, but to say that TP isn't capable of handling a high volume of touches does not align with reality. Pollard had the 21st most touches last season and still posted one of the highest per touch yard averages in the entire league.

If you really think that Zeke Elliot and Tony Pollard are even remotely close in productivity at this point in their careers, I don't know what to tell you. Based on his performance last year and with the Patriots so far this season, Zeke would have run for 40 yards against that front on the same amount of carries.

You just berated him for making up tony's late season 2023 imaginary decline.....and just did the same thing with zeke.

 

[Ranching]

why?? What is the mechanism that is draining explosiveness? Conditioning, durability?

Everyone says this like its some kind of confirmed fact.

The pounding of 25 carries a game, especially on a medium sized back that depends on speed and quickness. It doesn't matter when you play Madden, but it takes a toll in real football. It's not that hard to understand.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Its only 2 games. Too early to tell. Thus far he's done his job honestly. You guys had issues with him taking on carries. He's done it and done it well. His YPC isn't great. But it will improve. I think Giants and Jets have some stout lines and probably made things more difficult than most teams can do.

 

[Doomsday]

The run game was effective vs a very good defense that is more important than the statistics.