No Soup for Ware! Harrison wins DPOY

[ringmaster]

I've always thought that the DPOY award was given as sort of an MVP award for defensive players. If that IS the case, then DWare wins hands down. Although Harrison had one heck of a year, he also had LaMarr Woodley on the strong side with 11.5 sacks. While Ellis had 8 sacks, they were bundled in 3-4 games, so Ware was fighting double-teams the whole season.

Also, "experts" quote two stats, sacks & forced fumbles. If you go by those stats, then Ware wins again. Although Harrison had one more FF than Ware, DW had 4 more sacks, and was the only player going into the last game of the season with any reasonable chance of breaking Strahan's all-time record.

The press, like most aspects of the media, hates the Cowboys, and wants them to fail. If Ware played for almost any other team, even a loser, I believe he would have won.

What a ripoff....:grrr:

I agree with this Ware, to me should've won but I knew they would give it to a Steeler in Harrison.

No disrespect to JH, but he had alot of help around him on that defense with Woodley, Farrior, Foote, ect were just as effective rushing the passer Harrison, to me and I'm not saying this because I'm a Cowboys fan is nowhere near the athlete Ware is.

Ed Reed, and even the Steelers own Troy Polamalu was more deserving of the award more than Harrison, you put Ware, in that Steelers D, he would have almost 30 sacks.

This DPOY, and even the MVP award has become a joke.

 

[Undisputed]

Actually, if DPOY was indeed the defensive equivalent to the MVP, then you'd certainly have to pick Harrison over Ware. You aren't going to win MVP if your team doesn't even make the playoffs. That is what disqualified Drew Brees.

However, I've always thought the DPOY was a different animal. An award that was won by an individual, and had nothing to do with the overall success of a person's team. Which would explain how Jason Taylor could win the award with a bad Dolphins team.

 

[bbgun]

However, I've always thought the DPOY was a different animal. An award that was won by an individual, and had nothing to do with the overall success of a person's team. Which would explain how Jason Taylor could win the award with a bad Dolphins team.

True, which is validated by the fact that Drew Brees won OPOY.

 

[Undisputed]

Quite frankly, I think that Ware was just a victim of the negativity surrounding our franchise. We are the laughing stock of the league right now. I don't think anyone feels comfortable rewarding anyone that has "Dallas Cowboys" next to their name.

And as someone else mentioned, Harrison got the hype machine rolling a lot quicker.

But hey, many players get screwed out of these accolades (Pro Bowls included) one year only to receive them the next. Harrison is the prime example. Sometimes you just gotta get your name out there first.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Having said that, an individual's impact can also be measured based on team success. That's my point here.

I know what your point is, and it still doesn't hold any water. You're giving a higher weight to a team accomplishment over and above individual statistics for an individual award.

The overtly biased sports reporter rationalization:

Harrison lost to Ware in the majority of individual statistical defensive categories, but his team made the playoffs, therefore, that more than compensates for the difference and more.

Who determined that criteria? With the obvious bias towards Cowboys players in HOF voting, and the fact that there appears to be more sports reporters that despise the Cowboys than favor them in media outlets, somehow I don't believe that the Cowboys making the playoffs would have changed the results.

Try to keep up, please. You seem to think sports reporters care what you think. They don't.

Why do I need to keep up when you're still running, and I've already crossed the finish line.

No, I don't seem to think that way.

First of all, you don't speak for all sports reporters. If you do, I feel sorry for them. Second of all, sports reporters caring about what I think is irrelevant to me. I just pointed out that many are overtly biased, laughed at by the knowledgeable fan, and they repeatedly prove it for the latter to see.

I'm merely a fan giving his opinion on issues. And, apparently, you do care about what I think; Otherwise, you would engage me.

And, no, I'm not a sports reporter.

What the hell are you talking about?

Well, I didn't think it was obvious to you. But you're welcome.

That's because you're a smug idiot.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

But he has the actual awarding of the DPOY to support his opinion. What do you have other than who you think the award should have gone to?

Now that's the END OF STORY.

OWNED

 

[SultanOfSix]

OWNED

Owned if you believe in circular reasoning: He won it because he deserved it!

Never mind that the it is the "deserving" of the award that is being questioned. LOL.

 

[BAT]

YOu do realize Gastineau was a DT right?

It woudl be hard for a DT to get a lot of sacks if he were to "Go wide" every play and ignore the rush.

Did you even watch him play? I'd guess you didn't.

Gastineau played DT, and even LB, sparingly.

Gastineau was most known as a DE, his sack dance (the first) and dating a movie star (the gruesome Brigette Nielson). At his peak he was a 20 sack guy (he had 20 in '80, 19 in '83 and 22 in '84). Gastineau was all-pro DE between 1980 to 1985.

Gastineau played opposite Marty Lyons as part of the New York Sack Exchange. Klecko was the pass rushing DT.

 

[PBJTime]

Owned if you believe in circular reasoning: He won it because he deserved it!

Never mind that the it is the "deserving" of the award that is being questioned. LOL.

Owned.

I just had to get in on the action.

 

[Rack]

Gastineau played DT, and even LB, sparingly.

Gastineau was most known as a DE, his sack dance (the first) and dating a movie star (the gruesome Brigette Nielson). At his peak he was a 20 sack guy (he had 20 in '80, 19 in '83 and 22 in '84). Gastineau was all-pro DE between 1980 to 1985.

Gastineau played opposite Marty Lyons as part of the New York Sack Exchange. Klecko was the pass rushing DT.

Hmmm... are you sure? I thought Gastineau was solely a DT.

 

[Hostile]

Hmmm... are you sure? I thought Gastineau was solely a DT.

Bat is correct. Gastineau and Klecko were bookend DEs, Marty Lyons and Abdul Salaam were the DTs. I don't think he ever played DT. If he did, I am unaware of it.

Gastineau and my brother-in-law Scott were High School football rivals in Arizona. Scott, a huge man, said Gastineau never beat him.

 

[superpunk]

Both players had 10 ( Harrison had 9, sat out final game against Cleveland) games against NFC East and AFC North opponents. I think everyone here will allow that Harrison had a slight advantage there, since he got to play 6 (EDIT:5, as he sat out the last game) games in the AFC North, which with Cleveland and Cincy is not NEARLY as strong as the NFC East.

In those 10 games;

Demarcus Ware - 10 sacks

James Harrison (9 games) - 7 sacks.

In 6 games against the NFC East, Ware had 7 sacks. In 4 games against the NFC East, Harrison had 2.5 sacks.

It's just inexplicable.

In addition to this very good bit of research, we see that the Steelers faced more passing attempts than the Cowboys, no doubt on account of being the superior team and playing with the lead for alot of the year.

The Steelers faced 25 more passing attempts than the Cowboys, which is almost an entire game's worth.

So Ware's shafted resume includes

a.) Superior statistical performance in almost every category.

b.) Superior performance against like opponents - by quite a bit.

c.) Superior performance with less opportunities - less passing, and less playing with the lead.

Harrison's resume, while excellent on it's own merits, is not as good as Ware's - clearly. The only advantage he has on Ware is that he played on a better defense - which could also be construed as a notch in Ware's belt, performing superbly on an inferior defense. Such a team consideration certainly should not have an effect on the individual awards - see OPOY Drew Brees.

AP writers in general, know nothing about sports. They know storylines and diction. They do not deserve to be voting on things like individual awards or hall of fame inductees, and they show it time and time again.

 

[Rack]

Bat is correct. Gastineau and Klecko were bookend DEs, Marty Lyons and Abdul Salaam were the DTs. I don't think he ever played DT. If he did, I am unaware of it.

Gastineau and my brother-in-law Scott were High School football rivals in Arizona. Scott, a huge man, said Gastineau never beat him.

Gastineau was definitely a DT at one point in his career.