No Soup for Ware! Harrison wins DPOY

[TD-33]

The cowboys have NO leaders on the team. No, Ware is not a leader.

Loud mouth leader? no. But every player on that team looks up to Ware, every one of them are aware of his presence on the field and when he played with the hyper extended knee he showed what a warrior he is. It has nothing to do with "bias" he deserved the award over Harrison. Reed is a different story.

 

[bbgun]

Ware got greased. Am I surprised? No. Do I care? No. I just wanna win. I could givee a rats *** about these awards.

Like you haven't been shamelessly campaigning behind the scenes for the "Mod of the Month" award?

 

[Sarge]

Like you haven't been shamelessly campaigning behind the scenes for the "Mod of the Month" award?

That's totally different.

 

[5Stars]

That's totally different.

******....R' Us


:laugh2:

 

[Batman]

NEW YORK (AP) - James Harrison, the best player on the NFL's
best defense, has won The Associated Press 2008 Defensive Player of
the Year award.
The linebacker who had a career-high 16 sacks, setting a team
record, and led the NFL with a career-high seven forced fumbles,
beat Dallas' DeMarcus Ware in balloting by a nationwide panel of 50
sports writers and broadcasters announced Monday. Pittsburgh's
latest version of the Steel Curtain was the league's stingiest in
total defense, pass defense and points allowed.
Harrison earned 22 votes to 13 for Ware.

The Steelers made the playoffs. Dallas did not. The Steelers defense didn't completely fall apart in december like the Dallas defense did. Our defense may as well have not even come to the games with how crappy they played the last games. So while what Ware did was amazing, it is no surprise Harrison won it. Thanks a lot King Jerra and Captain Cream Puff.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Wrong. The record (for a LB) is 20.5. Ware got 20.



Exactly. But biased cowboys fans only see Ware. They think 4 extra sacks should give him a landslide victory for some reason. As far as I'm concerned they all had about an equal chance to win it.



As I was saying...



So then they were virtually equal. So people shouldn't complain about the decision, right?


Harrison is WELL deserving of the award.

Good post as usual man.

I bet most of those who claim Demarcus Ware got robbed didn't even see Harrison play the majority of the season.

 

[tyke1doe]

When comparing stats, Ware's numbers exceeded Harrison's on the majority of comparable categories. Considering whether one's team is in the playoffs is irrelevant when determining individual statistics because of many reasons, but in particular, the reason mention above.


Yes, people are biased. However, that bias shouldn't be so obviously skewed that it exceeds objectivity when comparing individual statistics for a competition based upon the play of the individual, and the only argument to counteract the player's contribution in favor of the less performing player is a team category. It is why these sports "reporters" are seen as overtly biased and laughed at by the knowledgeable fan.

Ware and Harrison had close numbers. But Harrison's numbers contributed to the Steelers getting into the playoffs. Ware's numbers didn't.

Stats minus winning is not equal to stats plus winning, especially when there's not that big a difference.

As for what you laugh it, do you think sports reporters really care.

"Look, someone on the Internet is laughing at us."

But if you are having fun laughing at sports reporters, knock yourself out.

Harrison has the award, Ware doesn't.

That's really the bottom line.

 

[tyke1doe]

Here I thought it read Defensive Player of the Year, Team must be in the fine print......

Yes, you have to read very carefully.

It's also in the fine print of the Super Bowl MVP winner also, which almost always (except for one year) goes to the player on the winning team.

But I understand, winning is overrated to Coach Cupcake (a playoff bye is a win) and many Cowboys fans. Stats. That's where it's at(s).

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Ware and Harrison had close numbers. But Harrison's numbers contributed to the Steelers getting into the playoffs. Ware's numbers didn't.

Stats minus winning is not equal to stats plus winning, especially when there's not that big a difference.

As for what you laugh it, do you think sports reporters really care.

"Look, someone on the Internet is laughing at us."

But if you are having fun laughing at sports reporters, knock yourself out.

Harrison has the award, Ware doesn't.

That's really the bottom line.

Yes, you have to read very carefully.

It's also in the fine print of the Super Bowl MVP winner also, which almost always (except for one year) goes to the player on the winning team.

But I understand, winning is overrated to Coach Cupcake (a playoff bye is a win) and many Cowboys fans. Stats. That's where it's at(s).

Well said.

I had the same thoughts a week ago but got hosed.

Ware didn't deserve this award, not because of his own awesome achievements (individually it was well deserved), but for his team totally and absolutely sucking when it counted.

 

[Rack]

I would think Gastineau didn't get it because he wouldn't really play run defense he just teed off at the qb (with a wide rush)and that was from the strong side.

YOu do realize Gastineau was a DT right?

It woudl be hard for a DT to get a lot of sacks if he were to "Go wide" every play and ignore the rush.

Did you even watch him play? I'd guess you didn't.

Loud mouth leader?

"Loud mouth"? You say that as if it's a bad thing for a LEADER to speak up.

That's what the cowboys need.


Harrison deserved the award. End of story.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Ware and Harrison had close numbers. But Harrison's numbers contributed to the Steelers getting into the playoffs. Ware's numbers didn't.

So what? It's an individual award, not a team award. And the reason a team could be out of the playoffs may not even have to do with the play of the defense, but with the play of the offense. Once again, a single individual cannot compensate for the rest of the team. Seriously.

Stats minus winning is not equal to stats plus winning, especially when there's not that big a difference.

Way to state the same thing again.

As for what you laugh it, do you think sports reporters really care.

"Look, someone on the Internet is laughing at us."

But if you are having fun laughing at sports reporters, knock yourself out.

Is that why you spend so much time arguing with people on the internet?

Harrison has the award, Ware doesn't.

That's really the bottom line.

LOL. Thanks for stating the obvious. Harrison has the award. Ware doesn't. Nanny nanny boo boo.

 

[superpunk]

Both players had 10 ( Harrison had 9, sat out final game against Cleveland) games against NFC East and AFC North opponents. I think everyone here will allow that Harrison had a slight advantage there, since he got to play 6 (EDIT:5, as he sat out the last game) games in the AFC North, which with Cleveland and Cincy is not NEARLY as strong as the NFC East.

In those 10 games;

Demarcus Ware - 10 sacks

James Harrison (9 games) - 7 sacks.

In 6 games against the NFC East, Ware had 7 sacks. In 4 games against the NFC East, Harrison had 2.5 sacks.

It's just inexplicable.

 

[tyke1doe]

So what? It's an individual award, not a team award. And the reason a team could be out of the playoffs may not even have to do with the play of the defense, but with the play of the offense. Once again, a single individual cannot compensate for the rest of the team. Seriously.

Wow. Thanks for letting me know an individual award is not a team award.

Of course, it's an individual award; Otherwise the team would receive it.

Having said that, an individual's impact can also be measured based on team success. That's my point here.

Is that why you spend so much time arguing with people on the internet?

Try to keep up, please. You seem to think sports reporters care what you think. They don't.

I'm merely a fan giving his opinion on issues. And, apparently, you do care about what I think; Otherwise, you would engage me.

And, no, I'm not a sports reporter.

LOL. Thanks for stating the obvious. Harrison has the award. Ware doesn't. Nanny nanny boo boo.

Well, I didn't think it was obvious to you. But you're welcome.

 

[Vintage]

Yeah, it would have been nice to see Ware win the award.

OTOH....

We have an awardless Demarcus Ware.
The Steelers have DPOY Harrison.

Harrison is a great player.

I'll take the awardless Demarcus Ware and be damn happy he is a Cowboy. That's all I care about.

 

[tyke1doe]

Yeah, it would have been nice to see Ware win the award.

OTOH....

We have an awardless Demarcus Ware.
The Steelers have DPOY Harrison.

Harrison is a great player.

I'll take the awardless Demarcus Ware and be damn happy he is a Cowboy. That's all I care about.

Agreed. It's pretty silly to dis Harrison just because he received the award. Harrison had a great year. So did Ware. No shame in losing to Harrison.

 

[AdamJT13]

YOu do realize Gastineau was a DT right?

It woudl be hard for a DT to get a lot of sacks if he were to "Go wide" every play and ignore the rush.

Did you even watch him play? I'd guess you didn't.

Gastineau was the left end for the Jets. Abdul Salaam was the left tackle, Marty Lyons was the right tackle, and Joe Klecko was the right end.

 

[Silverback ate your QB]

Can't argue too much with giving it to Harrison, he made some big plays in big, meaningful national games (the safety against the Chargers, the forced fumble sack and TD against the Ravens, the two sacks and forced fumbles against the Pats in the second half).

......Harrison had more tackles, more forced fumbles, more passes defensed, and had an INT. I think he was the better all around performer this year, and did it in one less game than Ware (Harrison didn't dress Week 17).

Exactly! If the award had been the 'defensive-sack-leader-of-the-year' Ware would have beat Harrison...but it wasn't...it was Defensive Player of the Year and Harrison deserves it. Taking the ball away from the offense is better than just dumping the quarterback on his *** and stuffing the 3rd and short runs to stop a 1st down is better than a sack as well.
So maybe the voters got it right after all....

 

[TD-33]

Harrison deserved the award. End of story.

No, that's your opinion. End of story.

 

[tyke1doe]

No, that's your opinion. End of story.

But he has the actual awarding of the DPOY to support his opinion. What do you have other than who you think the award should have gone to?

Now that's the END OF STORY.

 

[Stash]

Yes, you have to read very carefully.

It's also in the fine print of the Super Bowl MVP winner also, which almost always (except for one year) goes to the player on the winning team.

But I understand, winning is overrated to Coach Cupcake (a playoff bye is a win) and many Cowboys fans. Stats. That's where it's at(s).

Could always be worse.

We could be shills for the media.