No Soup for Ware! Harrison wins DPOY

[SultanOfSix]

But what good are individual stats if they don't help your team win?

One player can help your team win, but the amount of negatives due to the number of other players on the team (10) can exceed the contribution of a single player.

Are you saying that Ware's stats were above and beyond Harrison's that we shouldn't consider Harrison's team being in the playoffs and Ware's team not?

When comparing stats, Ware's numbers exceeded Harrison's on the majority of comparable categories. Considering whether one's team is in the playoffs is irrelevant when determining individual statistics because of many reasons, but in particular, the reason mention above.

Oh, and, P.S., EVERYONE is biased. Some people are biased towards winning. I aint got no problems with that, unless you think Drew Brees should get the award because he had more passing yards than every other quarterback and was about to break Dan Marino's 20+ old record.

Yes, people are biased. However, that bias shouldn't be so obviously skewed that it exceeds objectivity when comparing individual statistics for a competition based upon the play of the individual, and the only argument to counteract the player's contribution in favor of the less performing player is a team category. It is why these sports "reporters" are seen as overtly biased and laughed at by the knowledgeable fan.

 

[Rack]

In a year, where Demarcus Ware ties the record for most sacks by a LB in NFL history, he is beaten out by a defender who did less simply because that defender plays on a better team.

Bravo Associated Press. Journalists continue to demonstrate that they know nothing about sports, and should not have votes for anything besides "Which stadium has the best post-game buffets to stuff your fat faces."

Disgraceful. I mean really.

Wrong. The record (for a LB) is 20.5. Ware got 20.

Any of the Three, Harrison, Ware or Reed deserved the award.

Exactly. But biased cowboys fans only see Ware. They think 4 extra sacks should give him a landslide victory for some reason. As far as I'm concerned they all had about an equal chance to win it.

Ware, hands down.

Should have won by a pretty substantial margin too.

As I was saying...

Ware had 10 more solo tackles (69 to 59), four more sacks (20 to 16), more than twice as many "stuffs" (7.5 to 3.0) and more fumble recoveries (1 to 0). Harrison had one more forced fumble (7 to 6), one more PD (3 to 2) and one more INT (1 to 0).

So then they were virtually equal. So people shouldn't complain about the decision, right?


Harrison is WELL deserving of the award.

 

[The Panch]

Almost every time these awards wind up not going to the person I think they should. For example the NFL MVP award went to Manning. Now I've got nothing against Peyton, and I think he's a great QB, but I thought Phillip Rivers, even before the Chargers won on Saturday, deserved it more than Manning, if you're going to give it to a QB, because he had the best year for a QB and he doesn't have nearly the weapons a guy like Manning or Warner has at his disposal to throw to.

Gates is an awesome weapon but it seems like he's never healthy.

You cant be MVP of the league on a team that doesnt even have a winning record and relied on another team to lose 3 straight just to make the playoffs.

 

[28 Joker]

I knew this would happen.

DeMarcus Ware is the best player in the NFL. He should have and would have won the award, but the Cowboys went 1-3 in December.

It sure wasn't his fault. Hello, Hamlin. Pick the ball up.

They probably wouldn't have given it to him anyway. He's on the Cowboys. We can't even get players in the Hall of Fame that deserve it.

 

[BigBoy63]

thats probably this biggest load of crap i've ever heard. he should have won hands down, but oh well can't do anything about it now

 

[Rack]

There's NO WAY Harrison deserves DPOY over either Reed or Ware. As for leadership all 3 are leaders on their teams.

The cowboys have NO leaders on the team. No, Ware is not a leader.

Maybe this will motivate Ware next year.

I sure as hell hope so. He had 20 this year, imagine what he'd do playing pissed off?

Good. Maybe resigning ware will save us a couple dollars.

Good point.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone else had 20+ sacks and not won DPOY? That would be interesting to know.

I'd like to know the answer to that too.

I expected the answer to be no, but apparently Derrick Thomas had 20 in 1990 and lost out on DPOY to Bruce Smith.

Chris Doleman had 21 in 1989 and lost out to Keith Millard.

Mark Gastineau had 22 in 1984 and lost out to Kenny Easley.

None of them had 4 sacks on their closest competition, and none of them played the same position as the player they lost out to.

And now I have the answer. Thanks SP.

Bruce Smith had 19 sacks in 1990. Both players were deserving of the award (just like this year).

Keith Millard had 18 sacks as a DT in 1989. Either of them would have been good choices for the award (just like this year).

Kenny Easley had 10 ints and 2 TDs in 1984. Either would have been good choices, but I think Gastineau deserved it more. Probably lost cuz his sack dances were very controversial back then (he was really one of the first to celebrate a sack with some sort of "Dance") so voters probably didn't give it to him because of that. Sad really.

Nowadays everyone celebrates sacks, for the most part.

 

[TNCowboy]

Wrong. The record (for a LB) is 20.5. Ware got 20.

Exactly. But biased cowboys fans only see Ware. They think 4 extra sacks should give him a landslide victory for some reason. As far as I'm concerned they all had about an equal chance to win it.

As I was saying...

So then they were virtually equal. So people shouldn't complain about the decision, right?

Harrison is WELL deserving of the award.

Exactly.

Anyone who watched Pitt knows that he was outstanding. Just as if Reed or Ware had won if would have been perfectly justifiable.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Any of the Three, Harrison, Ware or Reed deserved the award.

Only one deserving was Ware....this is bull ****.

 

[PBJTime]

Only one deserving was Ware....this is bull ****.

I wouldn't go that far. I think Ware definitely deserved it over Harrison but you wouldn't hear a peep out of me if Reed had won it over Ware. That guy is amazing.

 

[casmith07]

It makes sense - he does play for the Steelers. Not only do they buy the officials, they buy awards now too.

 

[speedkilz88]

The cowboys have NO leaders on the team. No, Ware is not a leader.



I sure as hell hope so. He had 20 this year, imagine what he'd do playing pissed off?



Good point.



I'd like to know the answer to that too.




And now I have the answer. Thanks SP.

Bruce Smith had 19 sacks in 1990. Both players were deserving of the award (just like this year).

Keith Millard had 18 sacks as a DT in 1989. Either of them would have been good choices for the award (just like this year).

Kenny Easley had 10 ints and 2 TDs in 1984. Either would have been good choices, but I think Gastineau deserved it more. Probably lost cuz his sack dances were very controversial back then (he was really one of the first to celebrate a sack with some sort of "Dance") so voters probably didn't give it to him because of that. Sad really.

Nowadays everyone celebrates sacks, for the most part.

I would think Gastineau didn't get it because he wouldn't really play run defense he just teed off at the qb (with a wide rush)and that was from the strong side.

 

[bbgun]

I'm too lazy to read the whole thread. How many penalties did each guy incur this year (roughing, holding, offsides, etc)?

 

[5Stars]

I'm too lazy to read the whole thread. How many penalties did each guy incur this year (roughing, holding, offsides, etc)?

I have no clue either! But, if we get rid of Jerry, all the penalties would go away immediately!

 

[Kevinicus]

Ware had 10 more solo tackles (69 to 59), four more sacks (20 to 16), more than twice as many "stuffs" (7.5 to 3.0) and more fumble recoveries (1 to 0). Harrison had one more forced fumble (7 to 6), one more PD (3 to 2) and one more INT (1 to 0).

How did Ware only have 6 forced fumbles? He had 5 going into the Ravens game and forced 2 in that game.

 

[masomenos]

I really thought Ware would win until I saw the MVP voting. Harrison had more votes there than any other defensive player. That was the writing on the wall. Too bad, Ware had a phenomenal season, hopefully he comes out even more motivated next year.

 

[Nav22]

Meh. We're not even a playoff team, so this is no surprise. Nowadays, you pretty much have to be on a playoff team to win an award like this.

If Ware broke the record or if Dallas beat Philly, it's Ware hands down. But no record and no playoffs left the door open for Harrison.

 

[AdamJT13]

How did Ware only have 6 forced fumbles? He had 5 going into the Ravens game and forced 2 in that game.

The defensive coaches said he finished the season with seven forced fumbles. They gave him one forced fumble against St. Louis, but the official game statisticians did not.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

it's gonna be hard for Ware to top this season

hopefully he gets another crack at it, but he's gonna need Anthony Spencer to step up

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Meh. We're not even a playoff team, so this is no surprise. Nowadays, you pretty much have to be on a playoff team to win an award like this.

If Ware broke the record or if Dallas beat Philly, it's Ware hands down. But no record and no playoffs left the door open for Harrison.

The dolphins were a playoff team when Taylor won DPOY?

 

[Sarge]

Ware got greased. Am I surprised? No. Do I care? No. I just wanna win. I could givee a rats *** about these awards.