Nors on Philly - we need to attack

[MikeD17]

Nors Overall I Agree, But I Dont Think Dallas Has Had Any Bad Game Planning Or Play Calls . I Think Barber Needs To Get That Yard , He Messed It Up Not Parcells. Your A Freaking Nfl Back With An Nfl Line , Get A Freaking Yard .

Nors , The Game Plan This Week Wont Be Flinging The Ball All Over The Field, Espically Since We Know There Going To Be Coming With The Blitz Hard.

However I Do See Some More Trick Plays, Flea Flicker, Crayton Throwing One?? I See A Comittment To The Ground Game , And Julius Having A Good Day.



Dallas Will Get There Share Of Passing Yards , I See Us Taking It

26-24

 

[AdamJT13]

I see NOTHING to represent our running game can do that - nothing

Atlanta did beat them 14-10. Their defense had something to do with that as well.... Eagles are spotless after that....

I doubt we can win a muckity game - rather punch them offensively and defensively.

The key to winning this game, as is almost always the case, is to pass the ball more efficiently than the Eagles. Not to pass MORE, necessarily, but to do it more efficiently. I'm not sure you can go into the game thinking pass-pass-pass against a blitzing defense that has a knack for interceptions. If you can dictate when you pass, instead of passing all of the time, you can keep them from blitzing so much and stand a better chance of being successful when you do pass.

Defensively, I'm all for attacking their offense -- as long as Terence Newman is allowed to cover Terrell Owens as much as possible.

 

[DMX690]

This may sound stupid but the only way we have a chance to beat Philly is to play smart football. No dumb penalties, no stupid mistake, play better at the L.O.S on both sides of the balls. It's quite simple, yet hard to achieve.

 

[Wolverine]

Philly is all that matters now! We need to win this game and get to 3-2 and stay in the division hunt. Our only chance is to take it to Philly on both sides of the ball.

Cover 2 and deep safety strategy sux. Lamont Jordan scoffed post game at our 2 deep strategy. He said they all knew at that point they were going to run it down our throats. And when they had to they did. Roy needs in the box and we need to get after McChunky – he’ll carve us up if we go with another conservative Cover 2 with safeties deep in passive Zone…..

Moss and Commanders have exposed our obvious weakness. We can’t handle deep plays where WR hit long seams or run crossing patterns. Our CB's s are releasing WR’s to safeties that can’t handle it. This needs fix or TO is going to go off. We need to man up Tnew and Henry on WR’s and put FS over the top of TO and take him out wherever he goes. Frustrate him and make someone else beat us. I’d also take a LB and mirror Westbrook wherever he goes. Then attack out of 3-4. We have to pressure McSoup and not sit back.

Left side of Line is a weakness – not this mystical strength…. Allen is whiffing and has limited mobility these days. Stop stacking TE’s and running Left. Its getting jammed play after play after play after play after play…..

Bledsoe – I’m not going to jump totally on the Bledsoe must throw more but yes we need to open it up more. Once we get in a bind he starts grinding out ridiculous deep passing yards. That’s his strength – accuracy on deep routes. We need to reduce the 3 drop plays some. They force a short route and pass – and if coverage is there puts Bledsoe at risk. I say drop him some 5 and 7 drop plays that vertically attack a defense. That will open it up for JJ and Witten underneath.

More Price please! More shotgun, less 2 TE and doomed and predictable runs. More 3 and 4 Wide sets that include Witten as 1 of the 3 or 4!

Somewhere right about now Eagles are planning to clock and attack us. If we roll out another rope a dope gameplan we are going to get knocked out. Somewhere I see Parcells fully understanding his screw up on this teams overall game mgmt.

Cornered Bill – he gets how big this game is. Can put us in the game or back in the pack fighting to be in playoff contention….

I think Parcels comes out swinging in this game. I can accept that moreso than another passive and defensive gameplan.

This game could be the defining moment for this team. I think Canty, Spears, Ware and Burnett HAVE TO TAKE LEADERSHIP OF THIS DEFENSE! I just don’t see any on the rest of the veterans – those veterans that have never stepped up in career here. Time to change the guard.

Predictions on Gameballs!

Julius Jones/Bledsoe
Spears/Roy

Great post. I hope it goes down just like you say.

 

[Smith22]

Defensively, I'm all for attacking their offense -- as long as Terence Newman is allowed to cover Terrell Owens as much as possible.

AMEN! It's nice to see that all the TNew hate has died down.

 

[Smith22]

KC's first drives versus the Iggles:

KC's first few drives versus the Iggles:
1-10-KC37 (14:54) P.Holmes right end to KC 42 for 5 yards (N.Kalu).
2-5-KC42 (14:13) T.Green PASS to E.Kennison to PHI 43 for 15 yards (M.Lewis).
1-10-PHI43 (13:38) T.Green PASS to E.Kennison to PHI 36 for 7 yards (J.Trotter).
2-3-PHI36 (13:03) P.Holmes right end to PHI 33 for 3 yards (M.Patterson).
1-10-PHI33 (12:37) T.Green PASS to P.Holmes to PHI 23 for 10 yards (B.Dawkins).
1-10-PHI23 (12:06) P.Holmes left end to PHI 19 for 4 yards (B.Dawkins).
2-6-PHI19 (11:25) P.Holmes right end to PHI 3 for 16 yards (N.Kalu).
1-3-PHI3 (10:43) P.Holmes left end to PHI 3 for no gain (S.Rayburn).
2-3-PHI3 (10:03) P.Holmes right guard for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
L.Tynes extra point is GOOD, Center-K.Gammon, Holder-D.Colquitt.

1-10-KC4 (6:31) P.Holmes left end to KC 16 for 12 yards (J.Trotter).
1-10-KC16 (5:48) P.Holmes right end to KC 19 for 3 yards (M.Patterson).
2-7-KC19 (5:08) T.Green PASS to E.Kennison pushed ob at PHI 32 for 49 yards (L.Sheppard).
1-10-PHI32 (4:40) P.Holmes left end to PHI 19 for 13 yards (M.Lewis).
1-10-PHI19 (4:05) P.Holmes up the middle to PHI 17 for 2 yards (D.Jones).
2-8-PHI17 (3:26) P.Holmes left tackle to PHI 18 for -1 yards (J.Trotter).
3-9-PHI18 (2:46) T.Green PASS to P.Holmes to PHI 20 for -2 yards (J.Kearse). 4-11-PHI20 (2:46) L.Tynes 38 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-K.Gammon, Holder-D.Colquitt.

L.Tynes kicks 66 yards from KC 30 to PHI 4. R.Hood to PHI 26 for 22 yards (D.Washington). FUMBLES (D.Washington), touched at PHI 26, RECOVERED by KC-K.Griffin at PHI 27.
1-10-PHI27 (1:51) L.Johnson right end to PHI 18 for 9 yards (K.Adams).
2-1-PHI18 (1:09) L.Johnson left guard to PHI 18 for no gain (M.Patterson).
3-1-PHI18 26) T.Green up the middle to PHI 15 for 3 yards (J.Trotter).
1-10-PHI15 (15:00) L.Johnson up the middle to PHI 15 for no gain (N.Kalu).
2-10-PHI15 (14:17) T.Green PASS to E.Kennison to PHI 8 for 7 yards (K.Adams).
3-3-PHI8 (14:08) T.Green PASS to E.Kennison for 8 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
L.Tynes extra point is GOOD, Center-K.Gammon, Holder-D.Colquitt.

1-10-KC14 (11:59) P.Holmes left end to KC 13 for -1 yards (B.Dawkins).
2-11-KC13 (11:59) T.Green PASS to D.Hall to KC 17 for 4 yards (K.Adams).
3-7-KC17 (10:48) T.Green SACKED at KC 14 for -3 yards (M.Patterson).
4-10-KC14 (10:48) D.Colquitt punts 54 yards to PHI 32, Center-K.Gammon. D.Wynn MUFFS catch, and recovers at PHI 24.

1-10-KC28 (7:07) T.Green PASS incomplete to P.Holmes (J.Thomas).
2-10-KC28 (7:02) P.Holmes right end to KC 39 for 11 yards (B.Dawkins).
1-10-KC39 (6:24) PENALTY on KC-T.Gonzalez, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at KC 39 - No Play.
1-15-KC34 (6:00) T.Green PASS to P.Holmes to KC 40 for 6 yards (J.Trotter).
2-9-KC40 (5:13) PENALTY on KC-K.Wilson, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at KC 40 - No Play.
2-14-KC35 (4:47) T.Green pass intended for E.Kennison INTERCEPTED by S.Brown at KC 40. S.Brown for 40 yards, TOUCHDOWN.


Looks like they mixed it up well early, then went to the running game, then back to a passing attack which seemed to get them in a bit of trouble and let the Iggles back in the game.

 

[Rack]

I wouldn't mind Henry covering TO. As long as it's the Henry of games 1 and 2, not the Henry of game 3.

 

[strongarmqb]

I'm all for attacking the Eagles, and stretching the field.

But it comes at a price. Will the Line hold up against the Eagles who love to blitz?

Do we really trust the rookie RB's to pick up the blitz with all the expected blitzes that are sure to come?

I say we take care of protection first,.. try to establish the run..

Then.. at some point when we have proved we will run the ball at them.. open it up and throw it over Dawkins head for cheating up to stop the run.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

I say bring on the Eagles. Who's with me?

I'm with you!

 

[scottsp]

Another Nors pep rally.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Want to talk football or bash? - thought so.....Portland - our logic is sound and don't get caught up in the BS.

Hello Nors,

I want to talk football! Here's my perspective -- for what it's worth...

Philly is all that matters now! We need to win this game and get to 3-2 and stay in the division hunt. Our only chance is to take it to Philly on both sides of the ball.

The Cowboys matter also! Believe the Cowboys want it more; a loss would make you 2-3 ...a win 3-2! Giving it to us on both sides of the ball is a basic concept -- it's not necessarily the formula to shut us down. Minimizing mistakes, keeping us in the game; within striking distance, penalties, and turnovers are variables that make the difference.

Cover 2 & deep safety strategy sux. Lamont Jordan scoffed post game at our 2 deep strategy. ...they all knew at that point they were going to run it down our throats. And when they had to they did. Roy needs in the box and we need to get after McChunky – he’ll carve us up if we go with another conservative Cover 2 with safeties deep in passive Zone…..

I don't know Nors, changing to a different strategy at this point could prove disasterous. At least everyone is comfortable at playing there current positions. Changes like what you're suggesting should have taken place in the last game or two -- not prior to playing the current NFC Champion, Superbowl contenders. That should have been a change for the Skins or the Raiders. But Roy Williams will be effective where he is placed.

Moss & Commanders have exposed our obvious weakness. We can’t handle deep plays where WR hit long seams or run crossing patterns. Our CB's are releasing WR’s to safeties that can’t handle it. This needs fix or TO is going to go off. We need to man up Tnew and Henry on WR’s and put FS over the top of TO and take him out wherever he goes. Frustrate him and make someone else beat us. I’d also take a LB and mirror Westbrook wherever he goes. Then attack out of 3-4. We have to pressure McSoup and not sit back.

Not being able to hit your WRs is not necessarily a weakness. You may be underestimating KeShawn Johnson's ability to get open in the flat. Now, getting the pigskin to Johnson, in stride, and in the open may be a difficult accomplishment at hand. But if you get to the ball to K. Johnson ...he'll do his part. But my Eagles will check Johnson at the line, and double team as needed to limit him like we did Moss.

Bledsoe – I’m not going to jump totally on the Bledsoe must throw more but yes we need to open it up more. Once we get in a bind he starts grinding out ridiculous deep passing yards. That’s his strength – accuracy on deep routes. We need to reduce the 3 drop plays some. They force a short route and pass – and if coverage is there puts Bledsoe at risk. I say drop him some 5 and 7 drop plays that vertically attack a defense. That will open it up for JJ and Witten underneath.

Bledsoe throwing the ball more could open up a can of worms you may not have bargained for. Sheldon Brown and Lito Shepard are chomping at the bit to get a piece of the ball -- moving them steps closer to another pro-bowl appearance. Trotter is another deterant that could shut down attempts for short underneath and screen pass attempts.

If we roll out another rope a dope gameplan we are going to get knocked out. Somewhere I see Parcells fully understanding his screw up on this teams overall game mgmt.

That's an internal comment. But I can tell you that the Eagles are planning to clock and attack with everything we've got -- you should be planning the same.

Cornered Bill – he gets how big this game is. Can put us in the game or back in the pack fighting to be in playoff contention….

That doesn't sound too confident. Look, if Bill gets the win, he's a hero ...otherwise I can tell that it won't set too well with you. Right? Wrong! Bill Parcell is no slouch -- he prepares well, and Andy Reid is no rookie to a Bill Parcell's team. We know he'll have one or two trick plays up his sleeves. Either way, Bill will be ready to play.

This game could be the defining moment for this team.

Or not!

Predictions on Gameballs!

No comment on either Franchise.

 

[Vertigo_17]

We can talk about safety help all day long, but until our safeties learn to provide help against the long pass - it's all lip service.

We're getting killed when the WR crosses the zone and we're trying to hand off coverage. I'm hoping to see more of Pile and less of Davis (and Roy) in coverage. Put Henry on TO and let Glenn shadow Westbrook.

And pray that we get some pressure on McNabb early

 

[Waffle]

They also allowed 5.6 YPC to Warrick Dunn, 4.7 YPC to Priest Holmes and 4.9 YPC to Larry Johnson. They can be susceptible to the run, if you take them out of their blitzing game.

That pattern has been true for over two seasons now. I agree with this approach, but Bledsoe must pass instead of pat if they want to squelch Philly's blitzing.

 

[DBoys]

Or you could look at the facts that Philadelphia has the worst run defense that we've faced so far this season, has the best pass rush we've faced and is the best at forcing turnovers. Then you'd deduce that we need to run the ball more, protect Bledsoe and keep from making turnovers, then keep the game close and try to pull it out at the end. Some people would look at it that way.

Agree JuJo time to shine...

 

[slick325]

Philly is all that matters now! We need to win this game and get to 3-2 and stay in the division hunt. Our only chance is to take it to Philly on both sides of the ball.

Cover 2 and deep safety strategy sux. Lamont Jordan scoffed post game at our 2 deep strategy. He said they all knew at that point they were going to run it down our throats. And when they had to they did. Roy needs in the box and we need to get after McChunky – he’ll carve us up if we go with another conservative Cover 2 with safeties deep in passive Zone…..

Moss and Commanders have exposed our obvious weakness. We can’t handle deep plays where WR hit long seams or run crossing patterns. Our CB's s are releasing WR’s to safeties that can’t handle it. This needs fix or TO is going to go off. We need to man up Tnew and Henry on WR’s and put FS over the top of TO and take him out wherever he goes. Frustrate him and make someone else beat us. I’d also take a LB and mirror Westbrook wherever he goes. Then attack out of 3-4. We have to pressure McSoup and not sit back.

Left side of Line is a weakness – not this mystical strength…. Allen is whiffing and has limited mobility these days. Stop stacking TE’s and running Left. Its getting jammed play after play after play after play after play…..

Bledsoe – I’m not going to jump totally on the Bledsoe must throw more but yes we need to open it up more. Once we get in a bind he starts grinding out ridiculous deep passing yards. That’s his strength – accuracy on deep routes. We need to reduce the 3 drop plays some. They force a short route and pass – and if coverage is there puts Bledsoe at risk. I say drop him some 5 and 7 drop plays that vertically attack a defense. That will open it up for JJ and Witten underneath.

More Price please! More shotgun, less 2 TE and doomed and predictable runs. More 3 and 4 Wide sets that include Witten as 1 of the 3 or 4!

Somewhere right about now Eagles are planning to clock and attack us. If we roll out another rope a dope gameplan we are going to get knocked out. Somewhere I see Parcells fully understanding his screw up on this teams overall game mgmt.

Cornered Bill – he gets how big this game is. Can put us in the game or back in the pack fighting to be in playoff contention….

I think Parcels comes out swinging in this game. I can accept that moreso than another passive and defensive gameplan.

This game could be the defining moment for this team. I think Canty, Spears, Ware and Burnett HAVE TO TAKE LEADERSHIP OF THIS DEFENSE! I just don’t see any on the rest of the veterans – those veterans that have never stepped up in career here. Time to change the guard.

Predictions on Gameballs!

Julius Jones/Bledsoe
Spears/Roy

Good post Nors. I agree with you on being aggressive. The Eagles, like it or not are the team in the NFC East and NFC as a whole we have to be chasing. In those situations you pull out all stops to catch them.

Some examples that come to mind are: 1) 1991 a young Cowboys team featuring Troy, Emmitt and Michael faced an undefeated eventual Super Bowl Champion Commanders team in RFK and won the game. In that game we had a successful onside kick and Jimmy took risks and was very aggressive throughout. 2) The Eagles finally arrived when in 2000 (maybe it was 2001) when they opened against the hated Cowboys, who had dominated the NFC East for numerous years. In that infamous Pickle Juice game the Eagles opened the game with a successful onside kick and for the entire game maintained aggressive play calling on both sides of the ball.

In those instances, the coaches aggressiveness helped each of those teams believe in themselves and their coaches and propelled them to bigger things. For our Cowboys it meant 4 straight NFC Championship appearances and 3 out of 4 Super Bowls and for the Eagles it meant 4 straight NFC Championship appearances and a trip to a Super Bowl. Confidence was built not only because of those specific games but those games were launching pads.

We need to take it to the Eagles if we want to close this gap. We have some talent, both young and seasoned, so now is as good a time as any to be aggressive and open up the playbook.

 

[Chuck 54]

Philly is all that matters now! We need to win this game and get to 3-2 and stay in the division hunt. Our only chance is to take it to Philly on both sides of the ball.

Cover 2 and deep safety strategy sux. Lamont Jordan scoffed post game at our 2 deep strategy. He said they all knew at that point they were going to run it down our throats. And when they had to they did. Roy needs in the box and we need to get after McChunky – he’ll carve us up if we go with another conservative Cover 2 with safeties deep in passive Zone…..

Moss and Commanders have exposed our obvious weakness. We can’t handle deep plays where WR hit long seams or run crossing patterns. Our CB's s are releasing WR’s to safeties that can’t handle it. This needs fix or TO is going to go off. We need to man up Tnew and Henry on WR’s and put FS over the top of TO and take him out wherever he goes. Frustrate him and make someone else beat us. I’d also take a LB and mirror Westbrook wherever he goes. Then attack out of 3-4. We have to pressure McSoup and not sit back.

Left side of Line is a weakness – not this mystical strength…. Allen is whiffing and has limited mobility these days. Stop stacking TE’s and running Left. Its getting jammed play after play after play after play after play…..

Bledsoe – I’m not going to jump totally on the Bledsoe must throw more but yes we need to open it up more. Once we get in a bind he starts grinding out ridiculous deep passing yards. That’s his strength – accuracy on deep routes. We need to reduce the 3 drop plays some. They force a short route and pass – and if coverage is there puts Bledsoe at risk. I say drop him some 5 and 7 drop plays that vertically attack a defense. That will open it up for JJ and Witten underneath.

More Price please! More shotgun, less 2 TE and doomed and predictable runs. More 3 and 4 Wide sets that include Witten as 1 of the 3 or 4!

Somewhere right about now Eagles are planning to clock and attack us. If we roll out another rope a dope gameplan we are going to get knocked out. Somewhere I see Parcells fully understanding his screw up on this teams overall game mgmt.

Cornered Bill – he gets how big this game is. Can put us in the game or back in the pack fighting to be in playoff contention….

I think Parcels comes out swinging in this game. I can accept that moreso than another passive and defensive gameplan.

This game could be the defining moment for this team. I think Canty, Spears, Ware and Burnett HAVE TO TAKE LEADERSHIP OF THIS DEFENSE! I just don’t see any on the rest of the veterans – those veterans that have never stepped up in career here. Time to change the guard.

Predictions on Gameballs!

Julius Jones/Bledsoe
Spears/Roy

I'd make Brian Westbrook Roy's #1 job...run or pass, Roy should be with him all game long. If Roy can't even cover the RB, though Westbrook is a good one, then our defense will never be any good because you can't totally hide a guy in coverage.

I'd stop Westbrook and Henry cover T.O. with FS help behind him....let TNew cover their other WR man-man with no help, and pray our LB's or an extra DB can cover the TE.

I believe Westbrook is more the key to beating Philly than T.O.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

KC's first drives versus the Iggles

S22, ... you've got the right idea! :

 

[Smashmouth24]

Or you could look at the facts that Philadelphia has the worst run defense that we've faced so far this season, has the best pass rush we've faced and is the best at forcing turnovers. Then you'd deduce that we need to run the ball more, protect Bledsoe and keep from making turnovers, then keep the game close and try to pull it out at the end. Some people would look at it that way.

The worst run defenses the Cowboys have faced, in terms of success per play, are Oakland and San Francisco. The Eagles (like most teams) aren't great and will tend to struggle at times against good rushing attacks. Dallas doesn't appear to have that. It is perfectly fine for Dallas to pass more, but it should be done in a conservative fashion. The Eagles are vulnerable to teams that can sustain themselves converting quick passing plays, without drops and fumbling.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

The Eagles are vulnerable to teams that can sustain themselves converting quick passing plays, without dropps and fumblingQUOTE]

There's wisdom In your words SM24 -- perhaps even validity. But those short drop, underneath screen plays won't do much in 3rd and long scenarios against the Eagles. Sooner or later you're going to have to open up the field. And that's where the Eagle blitz machine becomes so effective.

Those quick passing plays are usually "timing" routes that can be thrown off by checks within the 5-yard radius -- that's also Trotter territory. Now Trotter is no Roy Williams by hitting standards, but he has certainly been known to sniff out a pick or two; not to mention Lito Shepard and Brown.

BTW, fumbles aren't always the fault of the ball carrier -- sometimes they are induced!

 

[msreddy999]

No Linebacker can cover Brain Westbrook one on one. Some safeties might but Roy is definitely not one of them. So you are forced to doulbe team Brain Westbrook. You might be able to successfully stop him from running on you but no way a single Linebacker or safety can cover that guy. So double Brain Westbrook and roll safety on TO and who are you going to blitz with. Who is going to cover LJ and Greg Lewis.
I am sure Bill parcells has a good game plan for all thse guyz and on any give sunday any team can win. But honestly how many of you think Dallas has a good chance of winning this game?