Norv would gain credibility by ousting TO

[WV Cowboy]

The players you've mentioned are quarterbacks. The discussion wasn't about Romo, it was about Owens.Ditto. Tomlinson is a running back, in his prime no less and does not play the same position as Owens.But does everything automatically go to hell? When the Giants lost Simms in '90 and turned to Hostetler (sp?), did it end their season? And would you, in your estimation, consider Hostetler a starting quarterback or a career backup quarterback?If you're going to suggest that the team's defensive swoon in December should solely be upon Ellis's shoulders, more power to you because it wasn't. I've never downplayed his abilities. Ever. Check the archives. This is a question of whether Owens absence from the offense will DOOM the team; or present a challenge for the coaches and players to compensate for his loss and succeed without him. You say it's impossible and I do not agree.True enough. And unless the coaches and other players do not adjust the offense for that void, we are doomed. But why should the rest of the team (and Owens' fans) surrender the season because Owens can't play? There is too much parity in this era of pro football for anyone to believe that they cannot overcome the odds of winning a championship IF the REST of the roster is talented AND they simply play sound football.Yep, and if he wasn't there, they would adjust their scheme to take away Glenn. So, do the coaches and players (some of whom MAY NOT BE on LAST season's roster) just throw up their hands and say, "Damn, we're you-know-what!". I don't think so. This is football, not Parcheesi.Nope, you're incorrect.

I see a premier wide receiver with a ten-cent head whose absence would be a huge blow to the offense, but it is also a void which could be overcome with solid coaching and execution from his teammates... SOME of whom may be sitting on a draft board or another team at this very moment.

On the other hand, you see Owens as the key to the Super Bowl. And without him...



...well, you get the picture.

You said, "I prefer not to waste a second of my time worrying about one, individual player when it is always about the team that ultimately matters every season."

So my response was not meant to be about WR's.

You sure put a lot of words in my mouth to make your points.

 

[DallasEast]

You said, "I prefer not to waste a second of my time worrying about one, individual player when it is always about the team that ultimately matters every season."

So my response was not meant to be about WR's.

You sure put a lot of words in my mouth to make your points.

Fair enough. Question:

If the offense loses Owens, can this team, in your opinion, create an opportunity to win a Super Bowl?

 

[WV Cowboy]

Fair enough. Question:

If the offense loses Owens, can this team, in your opinion, create an opportunity to win a Super Bowl?

If Norv gets rid of Owens it creates a huge hole in our offense.

I don't know who he could get to fill that hole, but if he can find someone to fill that hole, then we will have as good a chance as we did with him, ... however much of a chance that was.

The big question is who do we get to fill that hole ?

If you choose to get rid of Owens, you better have a plan to replace him.

A rookie in the draft ?
A free agent ?

Why create such a huge hole when there are already other holes that we need to fill ?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

DallasEast gets it. Good job, man. :clap2:

 

[DallasEast]

If Norv gets rid of Owens it creates a huge hole in our offense.

I don't know who he could get to fill that hole, but if he can find someone to fill that hole, then we will have as good a chance as we did with him, ... however much of a chance that was.

The big question is who do we get to fill that hole ?

If you choose to get rid of Owens, you better have a plan to replace him.

A rookie in the draft ?
A free agent ?

Why create such a huge hole when there are already other holes that we need to fill ?

My apologies. The thread's author posed the question of Turner getting rid of Owens. I did not ask my question for that reason. My bad. Let me rephrase.

If the offense loses Owens due to injury, overdose, etc., can this team, in your opinion, create an opportunity to win a Super Bowl?

In answer to your questions, [EDIT] the hole may be created without anyone benching or removing Owens from the roster.

I do not know of any current player, in the League or about to be drafted, who could step in and replace Owens' production. However, I do not believe that you need to land an equal player of Owens abilities to net a higher reward. That is where the rest of the team factors in.

Yet, if I could play coach and/or general manager, I would attempt to land a starting-quality wide receiver who is a sure-handed receiver that can move the chains. We already have a wide receiver who can stretch the field in Glenn. Again, I wouldn't necessarily try to obtain a carbon copy of Owens who is already playing in the League. After all, who would that be? The principle here, what any poster who's not ga-ga for Owens 24/7, is basically saying that Owens is not the sole key for a successful season.

 

[WV Cowboy]

If the offense loses Owens due to injury, overdose, etc., can this team, in your opinion, create an opportunity to win a Super Bowl?

I am attempting to have a respectful dialogue here but you lose my respect when you throw the term 'overdose' out there as if it was something he did on purpose, or as if it is something that happens all of the time.

It was an accident, a scary accident that could have happened to anyone.

To throw that out there comparing it to dropping a pass or sustaining an injury is wrong and a slanted comment.

A similar accident happened to me in the past, I know of others that have had drug interactions that created problems.

When you throw that out there I realize that your perspective comes from your dislike of Owens. Conversation over.

However, I do not believe that you need to land an equal player of Owens abilities to net a higher reward. That is where the rest of the team factors in.

When you say "that is where the rest of the team factors in", you are suggesting that the rest of the team will work or try harder to make up for his loss ?

When you say that, you are insinuating that they weren't giving their all in the first place. I don't buy that.

So what do you mean, "that is where the rest of the team factors in" ?

Are you saying we could lose D. Ware and replace him with a lesser player but when you "factor in the rest of the team", we will get a higher reward ?

The principle here, what any poster who's not ga-ga for Owens 24/7, is basically saying that Owens is not the sole key for a successful season.

He is not, but if you have a great player at any position, you don't want to see him get hurt.

G. Ellis' injury DID impact our defense. Unless you just think it was a coincidence that our sacks went down and our ability to stop the other team just happened to occur when he got hurt.

I'm not ga-ga for Owens 24/7, but I do realize a talent when I see it and I know that having him improves our chances at winning.

 

[5Stars]

I am attempting to have a respectful dialogue here but you lose my respect when you throw the term 'overdose' out there as if it was something he did on purpose, or as if it is something that happens all of the time..

What? It was an overdose...why lose respect for that word? Intentionally or not, mixing medicine that should not be mixed may cause an "overdose"....

I see no where in that posters posts where he claimed otherwise, yet, you lost respect for him?

That's pretty lame...or are you getting frustrated in this Owen's pee-pee match?

 

[WV Cowboy]

What? It was an overdose...why lose respect for that word? Intentionally or not, mixing medicine that should not be mixed may cause an "overdose"....

I see no where in that posters posts where he claimed otherwise, yet, you lost respect for him?

That's pretty lame...or are you getting frustrated in this Owen's pee-pee match?

It's a low blow, ... it was meant to be a low blow.

He put it in the same context as an injury. He was giving hypothetical reasons that Owens would miss a game, or the rest of the season.

Like it's something that could happen again at anytime.

It's as if the anti-Owens crowd was thrilled that it happened.

That tells me a lot about the person I am talking with. I called it losing respect, maybe that was not quite right, but I suddenly have nothing to say to someone who thinks that way.

Why would I ? When I already see the root of his opinion.

 

[DallasEast]

I am attempting to have a respectful dialogue here but you lose my respect when you throw the term 'overdose' out there as if it was something he did on purpose, or as if it is something that happens all of the time.

It was an accident, a scary accident that could have happened to anyone.

To throw that out there comparing it to dropping a pass or sustaining an injury is wrong and a slanted comment.

A similar accident happened to me in the past, I know of others that have had drug interactions that created problems.

When you throw that out there I realize that your perspective comes from your dislike of Owens. Conversation over.

Talk about putting words in someone else's mouth.

Sorry to hear about your own personal experiences. However, Owens is a Cowboys player and will remain a topic for Cowboy fans to discuss whether I, you or anyone else agrees or disagrees with what is stated. Something happened to Owens which involved some sort of medication which ended with him explaining the cause. I've questioned his explanation, as I've questioned all things pertaining to Owens which I find questionable. If you don't wish to respond to my comments about Owens, it's cool.

When you say "that is where the rest of the team factors in", you are suggesting that the rest of the team will work or try harder to make up for his loss ?

When you say that, you are insinuating that they weren't giving their all in the first place. I don't buy that.

I don't have to insinuate anything. Execution of the offense, defense, special teams AND coaching always factors into how successful your team will be regardless of personnel on the field. How well all the players execute the gameplan determines the outcome of every game. There is a given which every fan must remember. Even the better team can lose to a lessor one if the latter plays the smartest on any given day. The same holds true to a Cowboys team which has or doesn't have Owens on the field.

So what do you mean, "that is where the rest of the team factors in" ?

Are you saying we could lose D. Ware and replace him with a lesser player but when you "factor in the rest of the team", we will get a higher reward ?

Ware has the potential to be a great pass rusher. But if he is lost for a game or the season, depending on how well the coaching and his teammates adjusts to his absence, the team could make a run for a championship. It's possible. It has happened before. I'm not certain why this fact does not hold merit with some.

He is not, but if you have a great player at any position, you don't want to see him get hurt.

True, but injuries are a reality in pro sports.

G. Ellis' injury DID impact our defense. Unless you just think it was a coincidence that our sacks went down and our ability to stop the other team just happened to occur when he got hurt.

Yep, and the inability for the coaches and the defensive players to overcome his absence DID impact their success. Just ask any GROZ member.

I'm not ga-ga for Owens 24/7, but I do realize a talent when I see it and I know that having him improves our chances at winning.

True enough, but his absence won't kill our chances either.

 

[Bleu Star]

You said, "I prefer not to waste a second of my time worrying about one, individual player when it is always about the team that ultimately matters every season."

So my response was not meant to be about WR's.

You sure put a lot of words in my mouth to make your points.

That's because DallasEast is zeroed in on the gigantic HateTO bullseye. Pretty funny.

 

[Bleu Star]

I am attempting to have a respectful dialogue here

You can't have respectful dialog with someone that originates from a position of hate. It's really a wasted effort.

 

[Bleu Star]

It's as if the anti-Owens crowd was thrilled that it happened.

They are. Don't be fooled.

 

[Bleu Star]

True, but injuries are a reality in pro sports.

Name one one other player over the course of history that broke a hand, tore a tendon in a finger, and still pulled in the most TDs in a regular season to date. Just one. You know.. since we're debating a Cowboys player & all.

 

[DallasEast]

Name one one other player over the course of history that broke a hand, tore a tendon in a finger, and still pulled in the most TDs in a regular season to date. Just one. You know.. since we're debating a Cowboys player & all.

I would suspect no one has. There are a number of players...

http://www.nfl.com/history/leaders/touchdowns

...who have gathered an impressive number of touchdowns in a season, but injuries aren't recorded. It's virtually impossible to say whether they caught touchdowns injured or not. I guess it's easy to say that Owens is one tough hombre. I'll defer to your more intimate knowledge of highly productive yet injured wide receivers.

Now, that's out of the way, would you care to offer your opinion? Namely, if the offense loses Owens due to injury, [post edited to not offend the OIG* sect], etc., can this team, in your opinion, create an opportunity for itself to win a Super Bowl?



* Owens Is God

 

[DallasEast]

That's because DallasEast is zeroed in on the gigantic HateTO bullseye. Pretty funny.

"Zeroed in"?

"Bullseye"?

Well, "gigantic" is on the money. Heck, if Owens were leaning against a wall twenty feet away, I could stand backwards, blindfolded, with a weight bench, a media crowd and Andy Reid standing/sitting between him and me, and STILL pluck him upside the head with a dart. The man's swelled head is far too large of a target.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Back to the original thread topic

"Norv would gain credibility by......... winning a SB by utilizing TO correctly"


No one else is interested in any other credibility with regards to Norv

 

[Bleu Star]

I would suspect no one has. There are a number of players...

http://www.nfl.com/history/leaders/touchdowns

...who have gathered an impressive number of touchdowns in a season, but injuries aren't recorded. It's virtually impossible to say whether they caught touchdowns injured or not. I guess it's easy to say that Owens is one tough hombre. I'll defer to your more intimate knowledge of highly productive yet injured wide receivers.

Now, that's out of the way, would you care to offer your opinion? Namely, if the offense loses Owens due to injury, [post edited to not offend the OIG* sect], etc., can this team, in your opinion, create an opportunity for itself to win a Super Bowl?



* Owens Is God

ZZZZZ You didn't answer the question. How many of those TD leaders throughout history played through a broken hand and torn tendon while complaining zilch times during the season. Please dig further. I'll answer your question when you answer the one I already asked.

 

[Bleu Star]

"Zeroed in"?

"Bullseye"?

Well, "gigantic" is on the money. Heck, if Owens were leaning against a wall twenty feet away, I could stand backwards, blindfolded, with a weight bench, a media crowd and Andy Reid standing/sitting between him and me, and STILL pluck him upside the head with a dart. The man's swelled head is far too large of a target.

Thanks for clarifying the fact that you're simply yet another hater that's so blinded by your hate that you fail to see the obvious positives brought to the team by that guy with the big head. Like no other WR has ever had a big head.

News flash: WR is a primadonna position. The Marvin Harrisons of the league are few and far between. The typical NFL WR settles in nicely somewhere between a Chad Johnson and a Joe Horn where it pertains to what he thinks of himself. TO is no different. That is unless you despise the guy... :jerk:

 

[gazmc_06]

i just don't pay attention to the people that hate on T.O. - he is a cowboy player and that is all that matters. the cowboys fans that are hating one of their own players really have to take a look at themselves, you have to support your own player no matter what. T.O. is for me still the best WR in the game and when he is fully healthy next season he will prove that.

 

[Bleu Star]

i just don't pay attention to the people that hate on T.O. - he is a cowboy player and that is all that matters. the cowboys fans that are hating one of their own players really have to take a look at themselves, you have to support your own player no matter what. T.O. is for me still the best WR in the game and when he is fully healthy next season he will prove that.

Indeed he will.