Not sure we need to resign Hardy

[JohnnyHopkins]

Hardy might have played his way into being really affordable for Dallas. Two things that are now in Dallas's advantage:

- They weathered the storm already. Any team that takes on Hardy will have to go through the crazy that Dallas already dealt with earlier this season. His history will cut the market down substantially for his services.
- He has not played up to his contract this season. He was good, at times great. He was also just okay.

I can see a couple of teams being in the market for him, most notably the Raiders who had no problems signing Aldon Smith. But, Dallas gave him the opportunity when there were few and he knows he would have to start with the same national hate storm if he moves teams. Could be that the Cowboys get him at a deal where both sides are happy.

PS, I was not in favor of signing Hardy this past offseason. Just stating things the way I see them.

 

[bounce]

This sounds an awful lot like the line of thinking that lead to letting Murray go. "We don't need to pay for him, because we have some young guys that can easily replace the productivity."

 

[Sydla]

This sounds an awful lot like the line of thinking that lead to letting Murray go. "We don't need to pay for him, because we have some young guys that can easily replace the productivity."

Well we don't know what kind of Murray we would have had this year. So it's equally possible that we'd have saddled ourselves with a poor contract.

 

[The Quest for Six]

I thought talent was needed?....We're worse than the worse? Jax is probably licking their chops for the 'Boys now. This team/staff is soft and you want Hardy unsigned. Mediocrity will be accepted more, if Hardy is gone.

I don't know what you've been watching, but if you want to watch a soft player, watch Hardy's weak efforts against the run or when the team gets down in games and there has been numerous players state Hardy shuts it down when the team is losing......for that reason alone, he shouldn't be resigned, of course I wouldn't have never signed the woman beating degenerate in the first place..

 

[John813]

I rather have an abundance of quality DE's than not enough.

While Gregory should turn the page next year, it's far from certain, and he may not turn out to be the next #94.

Keeping Hardy, at a reasonable length and cap hit would be ideal to keep a quality rotation at DE, allowing each guy a breather and not sacrificing the pass rush/run defense. Also, I would like to see Hardy next year more at the DT spot on obvious passing downs next to Crawford.

 

[therock1982]

let him test fa,if interest is low then we should get him back on a reasonable deal which would be great,failing that look at someone like derrick shelby or andre branch to come in and provide competition for gregory id still be confident in gregory starting opposite dlaw and either branch or shelby backing them up alongside mincey.Key to the dline is actually getting a beast alongside crawford

 

[DIAF]

You are dreaming if you think he gets close to $15M a year. Holy moly.

Hardy has the same chance of getting 15 Million a year as I do. That is what JJ Watt gets and Hardy has 6 sacks over the last two seasons. He may get into 8 digits with incentives, but he has no shot at 15MM per season.

I think you are crazy if you think he's going to get less. he's getting 11m or so this year. He's not gonna take less. You look around at teams that desperately need pass rushers, and you look at some of the guys ahead of him on the highest paid list of DEs, the argument can easily be made its going to take around 15 mil a season to secure greg hardy's services.

He has a track record of previous success with double-digit sacks, he's young (which will really work into his favor come contract time), he plays an ultra-premium position, and there are lots of teams thirsty for a DE. A 27 year old double digit sack artist DE doesn't always hit the market - teams are going to open up the checkbooks.

I think some of the "re-sign him!" crowd believes he's going to be had for a discount, like 8m a year or so. There's no way that is going to happen.

 

[IrishAnto]

only caught second half of game but DL looked beastly. Watched Gregory bull rushing OL back into QB. With Gregory and Lawrence really improving I am leaning on not resigning Hardy and use that money on signing two of next three options: DT/CB/LB.

For the right money I'd keep him.

He did miss a full year and four games so that's got to have had an effect on him.

A full offseason with this year under his belt then who knows he might become the player he was at the Panthers.

In addition the DL is probably the strongest area on the defense.

Why weaken it?

 

[Bullflop]

Hardy is needed.

The defense benefits from him.

If he is not asking for a lot then pay him.

Demarcus Lawrence agrees with me.

Review Lawrence's production before Hardy.

Good thoughts here -- I think the FO will seriously consider re-signing him but his asking price is sure to bear great consideration as well.

 

[big dog cowboy]

This sounds an awful lot like the line of thinking that lead to letting Murray go. "We don't need to pay for him, because we have some young guys that can easily replace the productivity."

Except that Murray wanted to be over paid because he thought he was an elite RB especially coming off his big year. Hardy won't be in the same situation.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

I think Hardy can and will play much better once the defense around him improves and the media lynch mob fades away,,, two things that should happen next season.

 

[bounce]

Except that Murray wanted to be over paid because he thought he was an elite RB especially coming off his big year. Hardy won't be in the same situation.

I'm not saying I disagree with the line of thinking regarding Murray/RB worth, I'm just saying that people see a few flashes and think the obvious replacements are already on the roster. The first half of the season had people calling Lawrence a bust.

 

[Kaiser]

He has a track record of previous success with double-digit sacks, he's young (which will really work into his favor come contract time), he plays an ultra-premium position, and there are lots of teams thirsty for a DE. A 27 year old double digit sack artist DE doesn't always hit the market - teams are going to open up the checkbooks.

15 MM is JJ Watt money and Hardy isn't even close to demanding that.

Hardy isn't making 11MM this year, he is making 9. And only 2 million was guaranteed or Likely To Be Earned, the rest was in per game bonuses of 578K for each games he plays. He isn't going to his any Per-Sack incentives.

Hardy hasn't had double digit sacks in 3 years. If Hardy's agent argues that he had 15 sacks three years ago, NFL GMs are going to argue that he has six over the last two seasons.

Also plenty of DE's with double digit sacks have hit the market and none got anywhere close to 15MM. Last year Jerry Hughes was a FA and was coming off back to back years of double digit sacks, he got 9 million per season and only 4.4 million per season guaranteed.

The year before Michael Bennett got 4 Million per season guaranteed, 7.125 MM per season with incentives. Jared Allen (who might be the best example because he was several years removed from big production) got 3.875 per season guaranteed, with a total of 8MM per season with incentives.

 

[DallasDomination]

I would keep Hardy for sure. our defense and pass rush is better than last year even though the sacks aren't there. Besides I'm not trusting Randy Gregory at all. He was a tease and that's all he's been. Give me Hardy and Lawrence.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I'm on the fence about resigning Hardy, but it really has nothing to do with talent or production. However, Randy Gregory should not be the reason we don't resign him, because he has yet to sack a QB.

 

[Jarv]

Mate, your head's been in the sand all year. Domestic violence, clipboards, photos of bruises, lewd remarks about another's wife, a conviction, a payoff....pay attention and do not be oblivious or in denial. GEEZ!

Maybe it's your head that was in the sand...no conviction and his record was expunged...bit go back to your regularly scheduled whining.

 

[DIAF]

15 MM is JJ Watt money and Hardy isn't even close to demanding that.

Hardy isn't making 11MM this year, he is making 9. And only 2 million was guaranteed or Likely To Be Earned, the rest was in per game bonuses of 578K for each games he plays. He isn't going to his any Per-Sack incentives.

Hardy hasn't had double digit sacks in 3 years. If Hardy's agent argues that he had 15 sacks three years ago, NFL GMs are going to argue that he has six over the last two seasons.

Also plenty of DE's with double digit sacks have hit the market and none got anywhere close to 15MM. Last year Jerry Hughes was a FA and was coming off back to back years of double digit sacks, he got 9 million per season and only 4.4 million per season guaranteed.

The year before Michael Bennett got 4 Million per season guaranteed, 7.125 MM per season with incentives. Jared Allen (who might be the best example because he was several years removed from big production) got 3.875 per season guaranteed, with a total of 8MM per season with incentives.

Oh, so I see we are counting hardy's year away from football as a year as if he spent in the NFL getting no sacks. K. That makes sense. And by that I mean it doesn't. If anything, that works in his favor. One less year of wear and tear on his body.

Also, Jared Allen is a good comparison? Jared Allen is 33. Great comparison there.

Hardy was poised to get something in the 15m per or MORE range before the domestic violence incident. Hell, the entire Dallas contract COULD have been worth 13.1 million. Dallas was ready to pay Hardy 13.1 million after that. He's played in 11 games and has had 6 sacks on a team that just does not get to the QB.

Do you really think Hardy is going to take LESS than 13.1 million? It might not be all guaranteed, but that's the kind of money he is both going to want and he will command. 1 year removed from his domestic violence incident, his NFL suspension served, he's a lot more attractive to teams now who desperately need a pass rusher (over half the league) and he's just 27 years old. It is going to take at least 13 mil to sign the guy. Not to mention teams are paying for success to come, not "what did you do last year". All indicators point to Hardy being productive at at LEAST the level of 2015 and very likely more, given the team he is on now and his age.

You people that think he's going to sign for LESS money than he did this past year coming off a suspension and legal uncertainty are off your rockers.

 

[Cmac]

I don't know what you've been watching, but if you want to watch a soft player, watch Hardy's weak efforts against the run or when the team gets down in games and there has been numerous players state Hardy shuts it down when the team is losing......for that reason alone, he shouldn't be resigned, of course I wouldn't have never signed the woman beating degenerate in the first place..

Real reason came out.....OK.

 

[Kaiser]

Oh, so I see we are counting hardy's year away from football as a year as if he spent in the NFL getting no sacks. K. That makes sense. And by that I mean it doesn't. If anything, that works in his favor. One less year of wear and tear on his body.

Brilliant. Lets suspend Crawford and DLaw for next season and increase their value.

 

[Kaiser]

Hardy was poised to get something in the 15m per or MORE range before the domestic violence incident. Hell, the entire Dallas contract COULD have been worth 13.1 million. Dallas was ready to pay Hardy 13.1 million after that. He's played in 11 games and has had 6 sacks on a team that just does not get to the QB.

If you check the tape, Hardy was part of the team that "just does not get to the QB". That translates into less money, not more.

Hardy got the franchise tag two years ago because he was coming off a 15 sack season. He got a contract this year that was only 2 million dollars in guarantees and LTBE incentives. There is zero chance he will get paid Franchise Tag money for the JJ Watt level of play when he is two years removed from a double digit sack season.