Notable QBs with higher QBRs than Dak

[cnuball21]

You’re not getting top 10 play. So you would or wouldn’t make the deal? Are you saying at this point Dak is top 10? We can be the Chiefs who weren’t scared to try and replace their middle of the pack QB, or we can be scared and settle for average. Highly paid average. Here are QBs with a skill set to be a difference maker that Dak simply doesn’t possess. There is a reason he was a 4th round QB. In no specific order

Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
Brady (he’s on the decline though) still would rather have him then anyone with one drive left to get a championship, he has that quality)
Jackson
Rodgers
Lawrence
Herbert

These QBs all have some sort of talent to make wow plays to take a loss and turn into a win. Dak simply doesn’t have that talent. Now we could get into other QBs who are better, because there are 7 to 8 more who if aren’t better it’s hard to make the argument they aren’t. The guy has 7 years. He’s middle of the pack Dak. You don’t pay for that. My guess is nothing would ever make you say that though, if you truly think he’s top 10.

Yea we are, you just don’t like him so you don’t admit it. And here are your QB darlings outside of the top 3 dudes I referenced.

- Brady’s team has a losing record
- Herbert led Chargers are yet to accomplish anything in the playoffs. He also struggled when his WRs were down this year.
- Lamar led Ravens have zero playoff runs
- Rodgers is a has been. Mediocre at best this year without Adams
- Lawrence looks like a bonafide stud in the making. Still plays on a team with a losing record.

You’re like making my point for me. These QBs aren’t elevating their team and covering up deficiencies. Any other players you want to try?

 

[HMJYay]

Yea we are, you just don’t like him so you don’t admit it. And here are your QB darlings outside of the top 3 dudes I referenced.

- Brady’s team has a losing record
- Herbert led Chargers are yet to accomplish anything in the playoffs. He also struggled when his WRs were down this year.
- Lamar led Ravens have zero playoff runs
- Rodgers is a has been. Mediocre at best this year without Adams
- Lawrence looks like a bonafide stud in the making. Still plays on a team with a losing record.

You’re like making my point for me. These QBs aren’t elevating their team and covering up deficiencies. Any other players you want to try?

and yet they all are way better then Dak. And they do elevate their teams, unlike Dak you just can’t admit it because Dak doesn’t do it. Dak makes a good team worse. And Yeah Brady has a losing this season. You see when I talk about hyperbole. You actually want to even compare Dak to Brady. One has 7 superbowls. The other is a middling QB, who won’t be a starter in three years. You are proving my point. Which is why you can’t honestly answer my question. Is Dak top 10? Having the benefit of knowing the future would you go back and pay him what he makes? Dak to me is worth 25-30 a year. Even a middle of the pack QB makes that now a days. Maybe we have some common ground here.

 

[cnuball21]

and yet they all are way better then Dak. And they do elevate their teams, unlike Dak you just can’t admit it because Dak doesn’t do it. Dak makes a good team worse. And Yeah Brady has a losing this season. You see when I talk about hyperbole. You actually want to even compare Dak to Brady. One has 7 superbowls. The other is a middling QB, who won’t be a starter in three years. You are proving my point. Which is why you can’t honestly answer my question. Is Dak top 10? Having the benefit of knowing the future would you go back and pay him what he makes? Dak to me is worth 25-30 a year. Even a middle of the pack QB makes that now a days. Maybe we have some common ground here.

Woah woah woah you can’t backpedal now.

I listed out the lack of accomplishments for all the team elevating QBs on your list. Why aren’t they elevating their teams more? They’re all so much better than Dak right?

 

[zeke21]

Woah woah woah you can’t backpedal now.

I listed out the lack of accomplishments for all the team elevating QBs on your list. Why aren’t they elevating their teams more? They’re all so much better than Dak right?

Even an elite QB can't 'make' a team around him. I mean Rodgers has been surrounded by utter ***** the last few seasons.. it is a miracle he has kept GB even remotely competitive with the team around him. There is a reason why top rated QBs often struggle in their early seasons.. they are drafted to crap teams.. so Lawrence ends up at the Jags.. and spends his rookie season being pancaked behind an Oline with the resistance of wet lettuce and a receiving core that would fumble ice creams on a hot day.

So team success can't be the ONLY measure and I don't see many guys using that as the only measure on Dak. Dak is average across ALL levels.. personal metrics, team results etc etc.

And unlike some of those other QBs.. Dak HAS been given a team that is capable of so much more than he has delivered. He stands behind an Oline that has given up the least pressures and given him the longest clean pockets in the league. And he still sucks. He has a league leading duo of RBs that scare the entire league.. and he still sucks. He has CeeDee lamb as a WR1.. and Gallup as WR2 and Brown/Washington as depth. He has a promising pair of TEs in Shultz and Hendershot. COME ON.. he literally could NOT have more tools at his disposal.. and he still sucks.

Dak is an average QB.. and he has ALWAYS been an average QB. And yes I've been saying that since he pushed Romo (whom I believe was actually an above average/very nearly elite QB) out.. because he was a golden marketing pin up boy. Dak has NEVER elevated those around him.. every year we were given different excuses why he sucked.. every year we had to bring in more parts to try and make him work.. every year we circle the same issues, the same faults. The entire problem is that our Front Office and coaching staff want to play Dak like an Elite QB.. and they are paying him a huge contract.. but he is a fraud. Dak is a 4th round, average QB that can drive a bus full of stars. I still believe we could have success this season if we just start HONESTLY seeing Dak for who he is and playing accordingly.

I have no doubt that those other QBs you mention will get team success at some point.. they are so good it will be hard not to.

 

[cnuball21]

Even an elite QB can't 'make' a team around him. I mean Rodgers has been surrounded by utter ***** the last few seasons.. it is a miracle he has kept GB even remotely competitive with the team around him. There is a reason why top rated QBs often struggle in their early seasons.. they are drafted to crap teams.. so Lawrence ends up at the Jags.. and spends his rookie season being pancaked behind an Oline with the resistance of wet lettuce and a receiving core that would fumble ice creams on a hot day.

So team success can't be the ONLY measure and I don't see many guys using that as the only measure on Dak. Dak is average across ALL levels.. personal metrics, team results etc etc.

And unlike some of those other QBs.. Dak HAS been given a team that is capable of so much more than he has delivered. He stands behind an Oline that has given up the least pressures and given him the longest clean pockets in the league. And he still sucks. He has a league leading duo of RBs that scare the entire league.. and he still sucks. He has CeeDee lamb as a WR1.. and Gallup as WR2 and Brown/Washington as depth. He has a promising pair of TEs in Shultz and Hendershot. COME ON.. he literally could NOT have more tools at his disposal.. and he still sucks.

Dak is an average QB.. and he has ALWAYS been an average QB. And yes I've been saying that since he pushed Romo (whom I believe was actually an above average/very nearly elite QB) out.. because he was a golden marketing pin up boy. Dak has NEVER elevated those around him.. every year we were given different excuses why he sucked.. every year we had to bring in more parts to try and make him work.. every year we circle the same issues, the same faults. The entire problem is that our Front Office and coaching staff want to play Dak like an Elite QB.. and they are paying him a huge contract.. but he is a fraud. Dak is a 4th round, average QB that can drive a bus full of stars. I still believe we could have success this season if we just start HONESTLY seeing Dak for who he is and playing accordingly.

I have no doubt that those other QBs you mention will get team success at some point.. they are so good it will be hard not to.

“Even an elite QB can't 'make' a team around him” - correct, couldn’t agree more!

Would disagree that Dak is average in metrics. He’s been around the top 10 in most QB eval stats out there during his career. So that’s false.

And I’d also disagree this team is loaded with talent and is a playoff contender.

- OL is bottom 5 in pass rush win rate
- In comparison to NFC contenders the WR room is below average
- Run D continues to be an issue

 

[HMJYay]

Woah woah woah you can’t backpedal now.

I listed out the lack of accomplishments for all the team elevating QBs on your list. Why aren’t they elevating their teams more? They’re all so much better than Dak right?

I didn’t back pedal. I said they are all better than Dak, just like I did previously did. You on the other hand did as you won’t answer my question. But, just as an example with the QB Dak just played. Have you ever seen Dak make a play with the game on the line like Lawrence did? A throw to get them the FG that took an exceptional amount of skill. A QB using an exceptional skill set to be the difference maker. This same week Herbert on a rollout game on the line a 40 yard strike on the move on the sideline. Brady two weeks ago willing his team (a bad team at that) down two scores to victory. Lamar Jackson uses his exceptional running skills every week. Rodgers is having a down year, but he’s made so many exceptional plays that make you to wow to take a game from a loss to a win. Same with Mahomes. Burrow has ice in his veins and proves it over and over again. And most of the QBs are 4 years behind Daks development. Dak has no exceptional skills. He’s middle of the pack Dak and he’s just like watching any other average QB. Albeit more interceptions then average now. And this has been in a terrible division. Imagine if the NFC East stays good and he can’t rack up 2000 yards a season Vs them. How’s that for back pedaling? Now answer my question please?

 

[HMJYay]

“Even an elite QB can't 'make' a team around him” - correct, couldn’t agree more!

Would disagree that Dak is average in metrics. He’s been around the top 10 in most QB eval stats out there during his career. So that’s false.

And I’d also disagree this team is loaded with talent and is a playoff contender.

- OL is bottom 5 in pass rush win rate
- In comparison to NFC contenders the WR room is below average
- Run D continues to be an issue

You’re proving us Dak haters point again. He needs too much help to be paid how he is. And the offense line overall has graded very well. And he’s been given a very good running game. How much help does he need? At some point should he need help those around him?

 

[cnuball21]

I didn’t back pedal. I said they are all better than Dak, just like I did previously did. You on the other hand did as you won’t answer my question. But, just as an example with the QB Dak just played. Have you ever seen Dak make a play with the game on the line like Lawrence did? A throw to get them the FG that took an exceptional amount of skill. A QB using an exceptional skill set to be the difference maker. This same week Herbert on a rollout game on the line a 40 yard strike on the move on the sideline. Brady two weeks ago willing his team (a bad team at that) down two scores to victory. Lamar Jackson uses his exceptional running skills every week. Rodgers is having a down year, but he’s made so many exceptional plays that make you to wow to take a game from a loss to a win. Same with Mahomes. Burrow has ice in his veins and proves it over and over again. And most of the QBs are 4 years behind Daks development. Dak has no exceptional skills. He’s middle of the pack Dak and he’s just like watching any other average QB. Albeit more interceptions then average now. And this has been in a terrible division. Imagine if the NFC East stays good and he can’t rack up 2000 yards a season Vs them. How’s that for back pedaling? Now answer my question please?

Yea, the last 2 weeks lol. Game winning drive against Houston then TD drive against the Jags to put the Cowboys up with 3 minutes to play in the 4th.

And again, all of the super hero QBs aren’t elevating their teams enough. Herbert and Lamar have 1 combined total playoff win. Brady the GOATs team has a losing record. Rodgers the HOFr has a losing record.

There’s 3 elite QBs in football. Those dudes do it some but even they need help.

 

[Proof]

This may be the dumbest post in this thread. YOU really think this is the reason people are busting on Dak? Because he's getting paid? NO! The reason people are busting on him is that his product on the field is nowhere near deserving of being the 3rd highest paid QB in the league and he held out to GET PAID. So now he has to face the music....he isn't anywhere near playing championship football and getting the money he is getting playing "bad in spots and good in spots" needs to be a hell of alot more of the latter and way less of the former.

held out? he played for like 2 mil his final year. I think you're confusing negotiated well. He never held out.

 

[cnuball21]

You’re proving us Dak haters point again. He needs too much help to be paid how he is. And the offense line overall has graded very well. And he’s been given a very good running game. How much help does he need? At some point should he need help those around him?

Did you just call yourself a Dak hater? Lol that’s awesome. At least your honest.

 

[HMJYay]

Yea, the last 2 weeks lol. Game winning drive against Houston then TD drive against the Jags to put the Cowboys up with 3 minutes to play in the 4th.

And again, all of the super hero QBs aren’t elevating their teams enough. Herbert and Lamar have 1 combined total playoff win. Brady the GOATs team has a losing record. Rodgers the HOFr has a losing record.

There’s 3 elite QBs in football. Those dudes do it some but even they need help.

You once again skipped the question. So you want to make the point that Dak is better than those QBs? You truly think that?

 

[HMJYay]

Did you just call yourself a Dak hater? Lol that’s awesome. At least your honest.

sarcasm my friend. Because it’s what we are called. I’m a cowboys fan and he hampers them. You’re a Dak fan and his play makes it impossible to defend him, you sure try abyway.

 

[shabazz]

Daks a great dude.. Would love to have him as a neighbor or a bartender or even the QB for the Cowboys at 20 million a year...40 million a year... naw.. im good.

agree. Aside from him making a couple controversial comments like the fans were justified in pelting the refs with debris, he’s been a model citizen and no issues off the field. There is absolutely no reason to dislike him. He’s not arrogant like Rodgers and is a likable guy.

Having said that, I can’t afford to live next to his gated community mansion but I give him all the credit in the business world for fleecing Jerry.

 

[cnuball21]

You once again skipped the question. So you want to make the point that Dak is better than those QBs? You truly think that?

I never said he was. You said he was trash and didn’t have the metrics to claim otherwise. I said he’s top 10 in several major statistical categories.

You said all of the QBs on the list elevate their teams and Dak can’t. I listed out reasons why that isn’t correct.

You said Dak never has moments at the end of games. He did it the last 2 weeks.

 

[HMJYay]

I never said he was. You said he was trash and didn’t have the metrics to claim otherwise. I said he’s top 10 in several major statistical categories.

You said all of the QBs on the list elevate their teams and Dak can’t. I listed out reasons why that isn’t correct.

You said Dak never has moments at the end of games. He did it the last 2 weeks.

Nope. I said he’s average and middle of the pack. I never said he was trash. I made a point to say he’s not terrible. He had a drive vs the Texans after the defense bailed hm out after another terrible pick. The team carrying him again. And against the Jags he lost the game. Lol. Great examples.

 

[cnuball21]

Nope. I said he’s average and middle of the pack. I never said he was trash. I made a point to say he’s not terrible. He had a drive vs the Texans after the defense bailed hm out after another terrible pick. The team carrying him again. And against the Jags he lost the game. Lol. Great examples.

Must’ve been the other poster that said he was trash. My bad.

And of course you give him zero credit for those drives. He lost the game against the Jags? Wait…what?

 

[HMJYay]

Must’ve been the other poster that said he was trash. My bad.

And of course you give him zero credit for those drives. He lost the game against the Jags? Wait…what?

yes he did. With the first pick specifically. The Jags were done before that. I really don’t think we are that far off on our thoughts of Dak. I think we just have different emotional responses to his bad games. But, anyway we are beating a dead horse at this point. Have a good evening man

 

[cnuball21]

yes he did. With the first pick specifically. The Jags were done before that. I really don’t think we are that far off on our thoughts of Dak. I think we just have different emotional responses to his bad games. But, anyway we are beating a dead horse at this point. Have a good evening man

Ended regulation with a stat like of like 250+ / 3 / 1. Helped lead the O to 34 points. You score 34 with what’s supposed to be a good defense it should be an auto W. That’s not on the QB.

Also - in your Herbert example of him heroically leading the game winning drive they scored 7 points in the first 3 quarters and he finished the game with 0 TDs, 2 picks and a rating in the 60s.

If you have an agenda you simply see things the way you want to.Case and point comparing Daks game and Herbert’s recent game again TN. And I think you’re right about how we respond to game outcomes. It seems like your more emotion based and I’m more data driven in decisions / evaluation.

 

[HMJYay]

Ended regulation with a stat like of like 250+ / 3 / 1. Helped lead the O to 34 points. You score 34 with what’s supposed to be a good defense it should be an auto W. That’s not on the QB.

Also - in your Herbert example of him heroically leading the game winning drive they scored 7 points in the first 3 quarters and he finished the game with 0 TDs, 2 picks and a rating in the 60s.

If you have an agenda you simply see things the way you want to.Case and point comparing Daks game and Herbert’s recent game again TN. And I think you’re right about how we respond to game outcomes. It seems like your more emotion based and I’m more data driven in decisions / evaluation.

well I disagree, I’d say you lead with more emotion because you’re a fan of player more then the team. His seven years prove us “Dak haters” right so far. Time will tell if he gets better. I think he is what he is. Time to move as as soon as fiscally possible and right the mistake that was made, before Micah and Trevon are up for new contract. But, all we have is our opinions so that’s mine.

 

[cnuball21]

well I disagree, I’d say you lead with more emotion because you’re a fan of player more then the team. His seven years prove us “Dak haters” right so far. Time will tell if he gets better. I think he is what he is. Time to move as as soon as fiscally possible and right the mistake that was made, before Micah and Trevon are up for new contract. But, all we have is our opinions so that’s mine.

Not at all. I root for all the Cowboys and and am a fan of all of them bc they’re my team. I could care less who the QB is.

I just find it very odd when fans make claims on certain players that aren’t true. Other positions included. I’m not a Dak homer Im just a realist. If I see someone makings inaccurate claims about Dak or others I call it out.

You on the other hand brought up a “heroic”comeback win by Herbert and made it sound like Dak is incapable of that. In reality Herbert’s overall line was below average. If it was Dak, I’m sure you’d say “well he sucked the whole game and had 2 picks so shouldn’t have needed a comeback.” That’s reasoning by emotion.