Now his failure is complete

hahaha.......Bad draft picks = Jerry...

Good draft picks = whoever but Jerry.....

Its pretty funny......

bottom line.....Jerry always has the final say.....good and bad.....

Get used to it......its been that way since he bought the team......
 
Patton;3764714 said:
- Free, Spencer and Folk are products of the last Jeff Ireland draft, so I don't know how much you can even attribute those to Jerry.

- Felix Jones and Tashard Choice aren't even lead dog type running backs to this point. Though, a lot of that is because of the horribly inept guys blocking for them.

- Bennett, I'll concede. He's a better piece that most would give him credit for being. He's a fantastic blocking TE. It's really difficult for a team to get two TEs involved in the passing game from what I've observed around the league. He'd be a bigger deal, if Jason Witten wasn't blocking him, I believe.

- Mike Jenkins, Leonard Davis, Anthony Spencer, Igor Olshansky and Keith Brooking have played as poorly as anyone on this team this year.

- Dez was a good pick. Sean Lee, who I really like, is still a gigantic question mark.

Analyzing this, I'm still not seeing some glut of talent there at least not like the core of the team that was acquired from 2003-2007.


Newman?
Hatcher?
Barber?
Spears?

They have been playing above excellent huh?

Which leaves Ware, James and Witten.

Your blinded by your agenda.
 
Anthony Spencer has been anything, but a good draft pick. A half a good season over 4 years is pretty awful.
 
Mash;3764719 said:
hahaha.......Bad draft picks = Jerry...

Good draft picks = whoever but Jerry.....

Its pretty funny......

bottom line.....Jerry always has the final say.....good and bad.....

Get used to it......its been that way since he bought the team......

winner, winner chicken dinner
 
Is this some kind of joke? ask anybody in football who they would trust to run their football team Jerry or BP. and everyone but some of you Jerry excuse makers would take Tuna. he has forgotten more about football than Jerry will ever know. stop making a fool of yourselves by even trying to make that point. give it up!
 
Bottom line here is if your anti-Jerry the Cowboys win despite Jerry and lose because of him. Even though the one common demonitaor the whole time is Jerry Jones.

So enjoy the success while not giving him any credit and blame him for the failures.

Ironically, that's exactly how it works for the 31 other teams as well.
 
SDogo;3764722 said:
Newman?
Hatcher?
Barber?
Spears?

They have been playing above excellent huh?

Which leaves Ware, James and Witten.

Your blinded by your agenda.

Austin (Dropped a few too many, but a cornerstone player)
Kosier (The best linemen on the team after Free)
Ratliff (Who hasn't played well)
Romo (Injured obviously)

In combination with some of the guys named in your post, that's the core of the team. I'm not sure why you're bashing the guy who gave the team the leg it was standing on.
 
SDogo;3764685 said:
Just as many players have been brought in pre and post Parcells. Matter of fact more starters have been brought in pre and post Parcells then he brought in himself.

Your point is still missing.

Also, an entire draft is not some misses. 8 out of 32 is not some misses.

A group of starters that is currently headed for another 5-11 season. That's supposed to impress anyone?

All the people around here that think Jerry is an even remotely mediocre GM cannot defend Jerry's record. The Cowboys are among the worst in the league in every category that matters and the one single constant has been Jones. It's just not a defensible position...
 
CowboysFaninDC;3764710 said:
there are more to running a football team than just players and draft picks. obvious from what JG has done and what Wade did with the same group of players.

there is the culture, how you practice, how you go about your business, how you get a team focused, how you prepare.


what parcells saw was a football team in disarrary. no accountability. no knowledge of how a football team should be, act or do.

why did he bring his old players? because they were better than what we had and he wanted to change the culture of the team. he brought players that knew what he expected and could transfer that to the rest of the team by how they conducted themselves and acted.

now you chose to mention a few failed draft picks. but lets not forget newmann, witten, romo, ware, james, barber, columbo (despite his recent rash of injuries and declining play), austin.

and I can give you the exact same list of missed and hit draft players for billicheck, cowher, etc. no team ever hits on 100% of their draft picks including 1st and second rounders year in year out.

and to think we started with Hambrick, Qunincy Carter and Bryant as core of this team.
Which brings me back to my point. What did all those things that Parcells did benefit ON the field. I'll answer for you NOTHING.
 
If we take the typical Parcells strawman out of this thread, you still have a GM with one playoff win in 15 years. That doesn't look to be changing any time soon.

And if Parcells was so awful, who was the guy who hired him and let him buy the groceries?

It all comes back to the snake oil salesman in chief.
 
SDogo;3764722 said:
Newman?
Hatcher?
Barber?
Spears?

They have been playing above excellent huh?

Which leaves Ware, James and Witten.

Your blinded by your agenda.

All picked while Parcells was here. Im not going to debate who picked who but I will point out that no other team has spent their entire draft on special teams and backups. We have done that twice now and it has been two of the worst drafts in our history.

Parcells turned around this team and I don't know how anybody can argue that. He did it with jerry meddling and now his structure is being torn apart by that same person.
 
mldardy;3764769 said:
Which brings me back to my point. What did all those things that Parcells did benefit ON the field. I'll answer for you NOTHING.

so two playoff appearances and a winning record 3 out of 4 seasons after 3 years of 5-11 doesn't mean anything?

you expected superbowl wins and he didn't meet your expectations so he failed. but has anyone since Jimmy Johnson succeeded under Jerry? yes Switzer and that was a Joke.

Parcells left because he knew that Jerry is getting more and more involved and that meant disaster. we have deteriorated rapidly since he left and Jerry took full control. very very similar to what happened after Jimmy left. a couple of good years and then total disaster.
 
To OP author
Your screen name is very fitting.
 
ManicDepressiveMan;3764553 said:
Now, 15 years after ruining what Jimmy built, Jerry has succeeded in ruining what Parcells built.

Bill couldn't have been more prophetic when he said that in a few years you wouldn't even be able to tell he had been there.

Jerry Jones has absolutely no clue what he is doing when it comes to football operations of a pro football team.

He is the worst GM and OWNER in sports.

I say owner because only the worst owner in sports would keep the worst GM in sports.

Even if Jerry did step aside, what do we have to look forward to?

Stephen Jones? Probably more football idiocy from the same shallow gene pool.

Then who after him?

Jerry's moppet headed grandson up in the press box with him, learning Jerry's ways?

This team may not ever seriously contend for another championship again.

I reluctantly agree. I have followed the Boys since 1976, and I have never been this sickened. At least in their 1-15 season there was more transition to excuse that debacle. We are progressively declining, and have more holes than can be filled in an off season.

With this many failed seasons you have to analyze the key organizational structure of the team. Bottom line.... We are a "C-minus" football organization, with an "A" rate marketing brand. Jerry needs a football GM period. His best days are behind him.
 
CowboysFaninDC;3764856 said:
so two playoff appearances and a winning record 3 out of 4 seasons after 3 years of 5-11 doesn't mean anything?

you expected superbowl wins and he didn't meet your expectations so he failed. but has anyone since Jimmy Johnson succeeded under Jerry? yes Switzer and that was a Joke.

Parcells left because he knew that Jerry is getting more and more involved and that meant disaster. we have deteriorated rapidly since he left and Jerry took full control. very very similar to what happened after Jimmy left. a couple of good years and then total disaster.
For what Parcells was brought in here to do: two playoff appearances and zero wins and zero division titles is not good enough. His winning seasons were 10-6 and two 9-7's and collapses in December. What I expected from Parcells was to compete for the Superbowl and win the NFC East and be a factor in January. We weren't.
 
mldardy;3764887 said:
For what Parcells was brought in here to do: two playoff appearances and zero wins and zero division titles is not good enough. His winning seasons were 10-6 and two 9-7's and collapses in December. What I expected from Parcells was to compete for the Superbowl and win the NFC East and be a factor in January. We weren't.

And just 4 years after he is gone we have a team where we started talking about the draft in October.
 
For what Parcells was brought in here to do: two playoff appearances and zero wins and zero division titles is not good enough. His winning seasons were 10-6 and two 9-7's and collapses in December. What I expected from Parcells was to compete for the Superbowl and win the NFC East and be a factor in January. We weren't.

That is way too high of expectations considering we were awful and had no QB. He had this franchise focused and headed in the right direction, to argue otherwise is simply ludicrous in my mind. Not to mention he got us a franchise QB or the fact that there are 4 coaches from his staff now head coaches on other teams. All the while Jerry is bringing back scrubs like Dave Campo because they give him a warm fuzzy feeling inside.
 
Ya'll company boys are starting to get outta hand.

Show Bill some damn respect. I'm not even the biggest Tuna fan, I hate his archaic defenses and his stubbornness cost his teams countless games in the past.

But the fact that he went 34-30 with those teams was very impressive, considering he only had one year where he felt the team could contend. And if not for a wet ball in Seattle he would've won that playoff game. If you were his age, working for Jerry Jones, after a heart breaking loss like that - you might would want to run away too. He felt that he left the Dallas Cowboys in a much better place than they were in before he left. Because he did.

So show him some respect and please, because without his guys - Romo, Austin, Witten, Ware, Ratliff, Spears, James, Newman - we would be in even worse shape than we are in now.
 
Apollo Creed;3764901 said:
Ya'll company boys are starting to get outta hand.

Show Bill some damn respect. I'm not even the biggest Tuna fan, I hate his archaic defenses and his stubbornness cost his teams countless games in the past.

But the fact that he went 34-30 with those teams was very impressive, considering he only had one year where he felt the team could contend. And if not for a wet ball in Seattle he would've won that playoff game. If you were his age, working for Jerry Jones, after a heart breaking loss like that - you might would want to run away too. He felt that he left the Dallas Cowboys in a much better place than they were in before he left. Because he did.

So show him some respect and please, because without his guys - Romo, Austin, Witten, Ware, Ratliff, Spears, James, Newman - we would be in even worse shape than we are in now.


I still findit ironically funny that we will give Bill all the credit for drafting those guys (minus Romo and Austin who were 100% Ireland) yet for some reason believe that the ever meddling Jerry Jones who just cant stay out of the way had not a word to say about it.

Yet somehow you people just cant see the irony in that.
 
SDogo;3764730 said:
Bottom line here is if your anti-Jerry the Cowboys win despite Jerry and lose because of him. Even though the one common demonitaor the whole time is Jerry Jones.

So enjoy the success while not giving him any credit and blame him for the failures.

Ironically, that's exactly how it works for the 31 other teams as well.

The minute Jimmy left the team completely fell apart and we went through 15 years of mediocrity. He finally took a step back and got some help from Parcells and the team suddenly because relevant again - then he goes back to his old ways, hires puppet coaches and goes right back to running it in the ground.

We haven't won a Super Bowl in 15 years, we're 5-10 and our defense might be the worst I've ever seen. What credit does he deserve here?
 

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