Now you all see why blaming Dak's contract was foolish, right?

The problem is not Dak got paid , the ownership thinks by paying dak as elite QB makes him elite and they can save money in all other places especially in FA viz. defense , WR2 ,Coaching etc.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
but it is related. Dak has that contract because it was made as a business decision not a football decision, with the goal of taking actions to improve the team in the competitive NFL landscape.
It was a business decision because there is cost control measures in NFL (namely cap). and he doesn't care who gets the money as long as he is within the cap and has 53 on the roster. in fact he rather be closer to the cap floor than cap ceiling. which we have been.

and my issue with your statement about market and how they play are not reality. that's not how contracts and market forces work. that's just a plain misnomer and fallacy many use to argue.
its like buying a 3 bedroom house in NYC for 5M, vs. a 8000 square foot mansion in Texas for 1M. its market and market forces not necessarily reflecting on what to expect.
I am sure the price will go up. in fact I guarantee it. Dak had a 40M contract and was second in NFL for a brief moment before watson contract. was expectations he play like the 3rd best player in NFL? in 2 years he dropped to 11th in the NFL, is expectations now that he plays at 11th best level!?

and I refuse to accept that 5M difference in one player salary is handicapping this team to a standstill and in fact going backwards. that's the difference between Goff and Dak contract. lets even look at Philly. Hurts signing before Dak, has a 51M salary. is 9M the difference between Philly and Dallas? btw, we had 23M on the cap.

the issue is not the contract, nor cap space. the issue is Jerry and Stephen refusing to make winning priority #1
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Jerry/Stephanie are the biggest issues, I think we've already agreed on that.

Once again, paying ANY player top of the market money who doesn't perform at the top affects the salary cap in a negative way. You can spin that any way you want, but it's still true.

And you keep glossing over the fact that this thread is specifically about "blaming Dak's contract". It is absolutely not referring to the business end of it, that's off topic.
 
Sydla said:
Are we the only team that pays extensions to players? How is it Philly can extend Hurts and AJ Brown and D Smith and Landon Dickerson and Darius Slay but somehow still be able to spend a bunch in FA?

Roseman is just better at this than Jerry.

And let's be clear, even if the excuse for lack of FA activity is we pay our own players, that's a failed strategy. So change it, Jerry.
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Who said I said we were the only one? Your anecdote about our division rival is wonderful. The other set still needs to be accounted for. It obviously would need to be done for everyone. I don't even know what it will say and will not posture. Compare and contrast to the grandstanding on this dataset.

Now what if the Cowboys are not very good at pro scouting? Recent history in game and player market performance speaks for itself. Should they change the policy then?

People that are mad just want to burn everything down and start over. That is never going to happen. Time to accept reality for what it is.
 
kskboys said:
Jerry/Stephanie are the biggest issues, I think we've already agreed on that.

Once again, paying ANY player top of the market money who doesn't perform at the top affects the salary cap in a negative way. You can spin that any way you want, but it's still true.

And you keep glossing over the fact that this thread is specifically about "blaming Dak's contract". It is absolutely not referring to the business end of it, that's off topic.
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I am not denying that it effects negatively. but it shouldn't paralyze you. there is a difference. we have become paralyzed according to jerry and stephen.
Detroit, Philly, etc. didn't become paralyzed. we did.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
I am not denying that it effects negatively. but it shouldn't paralyze you. there is a difference. we have become paralyzed according to jerry and stephen.
Detroit, Philly, etc. didn't become paralyzed. we did.
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Oh, I agree w/ that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

However, the most paralyzing part was that it was only 4 years, at Dak's insistence. Not only was Hurts' contract 5 years, they were able to shove some back into the last year of his rook contract.

Hurts cap hits:

2024: 13.5 mil
2025: 21.8 mil

That's because Hurts signed a team friendly deal so they could work w/ his numbers and stay in contention.
 
starfan1 said:
So who gives Dak all the credit ? The only person I have seen come remotely close to that is AC and even he will stop short of that
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It goes back and forth. Like i said...depends on the discussion at hand. I will try to be more alert about it and let you know.

Gin and TMC come to mind...as possible examples.
 
kskboys said:
Oh, I agree w/ that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

However, the most paralyzing part was that it was only 4 years, at Dak's insistence. Not only was Hurts' contract 5 years, they were able to shove some back into the last year of his rook contract.

Hurts cap hits:

2024: 13.5 mil
2025: 21.8 mil

That's because Hurts signed a team friendly deal so they could work w/ his numbers and stay in contention.
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and that is on Jerry not negotiating and waiting to last minute to sign. he could have easily structured it like the last one, with fake years added in the end, just like everybody else did.

and those numbers for Hurts are no different than Dak's first contract. it was 17,19 and 26 for 2021 to 2023. second contract has to swallow all the money that was pushed down the road. same thing will happen with Hurts. important pieces of the puzzle to consider when comparing.

so what did Jerry do in those years.
 
kskboys said:
Oh, I agree w/ that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

However, the most paralyzing part was that it was only 4 years, at Dak's insistence. Not only was Hurts' contract 5 years, they were able to shove some back into the last year of his rook contract.

Hurts cap hits:

2024: 13.5 mil
2025: 21.8 mil

That's because Hurts signed a team friendly deal so they could work w/ his numbers and stay in contention.
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Not only was it a 5 year deal, but Hurts signed after 3 years of his rookie contract which just went into the extension. Hurts extension on paper is 5/$255m, but in reality its more like 6/$260M. The Eagles signed Hurts early and its made for a decent deal. Meanwhile the Cowboys played around and had to Franchise Dak before extending him a 4 year deal.

Philly will have some issues once the void year money comes into play, but thats a small price to pay for the success they've had so far under Hurts.
 
SteveTheCowboy said:
It goes back and forth. Like i said...depends on the discussion at hand. I will try to be more alert about it and let you know.

Gin and TMC come to mind...as possible examples.
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you're one of my favorite dudes here Steve we go back a long way but neither of those 2 have I ever heard give Dak all the credit. They do go back and forth with the Dak detractors but both tend to be pretty level headed with their Dak criticism as well. anyway not worth continuing on with this part of the discussion. The ones they go back and forth with tend to want to give Dak all the blame or most of the blame.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
and that is on Jerry not negotiating and waiting to last minute to sign. he could have easily structured it like the last one, with fake years added in the end, just like everybody else did.

and those numbers for Hurts are no different than Dak's first contract. it was 17,19 and 26 for 2021 to 2023. second contract has to swallow all the money that was pushed down the road. same thing will happen with Hurts. important pieces of the puzzle to consider when comparing.

so what did Jerry do in those years.
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No, he couldn't have. Dak insisting on a shorter term deal took that off the table.

Jerry is terrible at this and Dak is greedy. Those things can both be true, and they are. This whole Dak contract thingie has been grossly mismanaged by both sides. The way they're doing it makes it certain that they won't win. There's just no way you can shove the 89 mil into a shorter term contract and be able to contend for the big prize. The current Dak deal should've been like 6-8 years, longer the better. That was the only way it was going to work.

BTW, people keep glossing over the fact that prior to year 4 of his career, Dak agreed on a contract, and then renegged. It's so weird that no one remembers it, it was huge news at the time.
 
starfan1 said:
you're one of my favorite dudes here Steve we go back a long way but neither of those 2 have I ever heard give Dak all the credit. They do go back and forth with the Dak detractors but both tend to be pretty level headed with their Dak criticism as well. anyway not worth continuing on with this part of the discussion. The ones they go back and forth with tend to want to give Dak all the blame or most of the blame.
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And any of the polarizers are best ignored, as they are obviously wrong. Dak is not terrible, and Dak cannot be compared to Mahomes. I don't pay attention to who says these ridiculous things so I don't know, but getting into that sort of discussion is beyond stupid.
 
thunderpimp91 said:
Not only was it a 5 year deal, but Hurts signed after 3 years of his rookie contract which just went into the extension. Hurts extension on paper is 5/$255m, but in reality its more like 6/$260M. The Eagles signed Hurts early and its made for a decent deal. Meanwhile the Cowboys played around and had to Franchise Dak before extending him a 4 year deal.

Philly will have some issues once the void year money comes into play, but thats a small price to pay for the success they've had so far under Hurts.
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Jerry/Stephanie suck at this, but Dak did agree to an extension before year 4 and then renegged on his word.
 
Jalen hurts just won a Super Bowl and Dak can't even be bothered to show up in the playoffs. This team did so much better with a competent quarterback when he got hurt - again.

It's a terrible contract and it always will be. We know exactly what we have in him and that's a loser.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
and that is on Jerry not negotiating and waiting to last minute to sign. he could have easily structured it like the last one, with fake years added in the end, just like everybody else did.

and those numbers for Hurts are no different than Dak's first contract. it was 17,19 and 26 for 2021 to 2023. second contract has to swallow all the money that was pushed down the road. same thing will happen with Hurts. important pieces of the puzzle to consider when comparing.

so what did Jerry do in those years.
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No, he couldn't have. Dak insisting on a shorter term deal took that off the table.

Jerry is terrible at this and Dak is greedy. Those things can both be true, and they are. This whole Dak contract thingie has been grossly mismanaged by both sides. The way they're doing it makes it certain that they won't win.
 
Philly has a good formula maybe grab possible several rings

Qb pd, loaded up on Offensive FA as needed

Been darn good drafting Def players (carter, sweat, dejean etc), found gold nugget Braun
....all on cheap contracts for a few yrs, save Braun

Were able to pressure Mahomes without a single blitz...damnn
 
kskboys said:
And any of the polarizers are best ignored, as they are obviously wrong. Dak is not terrible, and Dak cannot be compared to Mahomes. I don't pay attention to who says these ridiculous things so I don't know, but getting into that sort of discussion is beyond stupid.
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Im not about ignoring anyone I give everyone my ear. There are a few Ive come close to ignoring but rather enjoy seeing them be wrong because I can be a petty SOB in my old age.
 
kskboys said:
No, he couldn't have. Dak insisting on a shorter term deal took that off the table.

Jerry is terrible at this and Dak is greedy. Those things can both be true, and they are. This whole Dak contract thingie has been grossly mismanaged by both sides. The way they're doing it makes it certain that they won't win.
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both suck. end of story. I think his first contract was a sticking point on 4 years, which they settled on a 6 year spread, but actual 4 year contract. not sure about the second one, if Jerry didn't want to go to more than 5 years or not.

but hey Jerry sold so many Dak Jerseys...the ROI was worth the signing :thumbup:
 
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