Now you all see why blaming Dak's contract was foolish, right?

[SteveTheCowboy]

TEAM record and QB performance are not the same thing.

It depends. if gin....er I mean certain people are defending Daks winning record...it's all dak.

If someone points out Dak's losing record it was the team. Bad routes. Bad play calls.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

After the first drive against the Rams, he practically did nothing the rest of the half. Could not sustain a drive at all putting the defense back on the field. It's obvious the Rams wanted to key on Zeke and this QB did nothing to beat that in that half. He was ok at best against the Rams because he did make a couple plays in the 2nd half. But by no means was he spectacular in that Rams game but everybody puts that game on the defense giving up 200 yards on the ground and Zeke not being able to run in that game.

our defense gave up how many rushing yards? I am not defending Dak, however we have to look at the whole picture.

when your team is able to run at will, they can do a lot of things, like control the clock, wear out a defense, keep the offense on the sideline cold. 250 yards rushing....that's pathetic.

 

[StylisticS]

our defense gave up how many rushing yards? I am not defending Dak, however we have to look at the whole picture.

when your team is able to run at will, they can do a lot of things, like control the clock, wear out a defense, keep the offense on the sideline cold. 250 yards rushing....that's pathetic.

I mentioned that. My point was people put that game squarely on the defense and the inability of the offense to run the ball but say Dak played great in that game when in reality he was just ok at best. He didn’t do enough himself to win that game. The Rams were asking Dak to beat them. He couldn’t do it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It depends. if gin....er I mean certain people are defending Daks winning record...it's all dak.

If someone points out Dak's losing record it was the team. Bad routes. Bad play calls.

I always love people setting up camps and then posturing that the other side is the unreasonable one. Almost conditioned.

 

[JonesBoys]

The Jones idiots were cheap even when Dak was on his rookie deal.

The Jones idiots have been cheap with outside free agents for YEARS.

The Jones idiots are cheap EVEN WITH COACHES, and there is no salary cap for coach contracts.

They paid Dak. Big whoop. They waited until the start of the season to pay him, BY DESIGN, so that they wouldn't have to spend another dime last offseason aside from CeeDee's deal.

They're a cheap and useless ownership group. Fans who blamed Dak or Dak's contract were essentially letting the Jones idiots off the hook for their lack of FA signings. Don't do that.

Many other teams paid their QB $50M+, and none of them were even close to as cheap as the Cowboys with outside free agents.

Jalen Hurts signed for $51M/year. The Eagles are ALSO paying AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, Dallas Goedert and *drumroll please* Saquon Barkley. They also have maybe the best OL and best defense in the NFL.

But Dak and CeeDee are supposed to win big, all on their own, because they're the "highest paid" at their positions? Bull****.

SELL THE TEAM!!!!!!!!

Being cheap when Dak was on a rookie deal shows you their true colors.
Watch what Washington does now with their QB on a rookie deal They are going to go after it. Dallas will be fighting with Giants for last place/ If the Giants find a QB then that will be very interesting. The noise needs to get louder against the Jones family.

 

[Johannes44]

Being cheap when Dak was on a rookie deal shows you their true colors.
Watch what Washington does now with their QB on a rookie deal They are going to go after it. Dallas will be fighting with Giants for last place/ If the Giants find a QB then that will be very interesting. The noise needs to get louder against the Jones family.

Jones is comfortable. He has literally no incentive to change.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Dak fanatics always compare DAK STATS TO MAHOMES STATS .


WHERE IS DAK TODAY ? WHERE IS MAHOMES TODAY ?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I mentioned that. My point was people put that game squarely on the defense and the inability of the offense to run the ball but say Dak played great in that game when in reality he was just ok at best. He didn’t do enough himself to win that game. The Rams were asking Dak to beat them. He couldn’t do it.

I think he was average in that game as well. we needed excellent and he wasn't.

 

[kskboys]

He isn't getting paid $89M.

His cap hit won't be $89M on a $252M salary cap.

Other than those inconvenient truths, sure, no issues!

Of course. That's what it is right now, but I'm sure Jerry will kick it down the road so we can lose even longer.

What a player is getting paid and what their cap hit is are entirely different matters. Part of the 89 mil slated to hit the cap for Dak is money from his last contract that Jerry kicked down the road.

Is that convenient enough for you? I doubt if you even know what an inconvenient truth is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kskboys]

that's the point I have brought up multiple times. all the pundits would have been ok, if he got paid lets say 53M...but the fact is the difference between philly, detroit and cowboys isn't 7M.

Yeah, that's obvious. However, the fact remains, we are most likely going nowhere until we get Dak's cap hits off the books.

 

[kskboys]

depends on your perspective. when you have a guy who had his best statistical season, 2nd in MVP and was top 5 in jersey sales. it makes all kinds of finanical sense to resign him and cash in. (this is not advocating he is good or not, just that look at it from finanical perspective).
if you are actually looking at football stuff, then yeah, its stupid. Jerry cornered himself with Dak and the rest of the QBs on the roster. he got caught being stupid trading for Lance, where rumors were nobody really wanted him. then he hasn't drafted a QB in what? like 5,6, years (I don't count 6th, 7th round picks nothing but tokens, you must invest in some talent to develop, not long shots).

you have to remember, winning championships is not the top priority in dallas. when you fully grasp that and put all football stuff in the back burner, then all the moves make sense.

Those are just so irrelelevant.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Those are just so irrelelevant.

irrelevant to actual football. not irrelevant to business and marketing from Jerry's perspective...separate the two

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yeah, that's obvious. However, the fact remains, we are most likely going nowhere until we get Dak's cap hits off the books.

we haven't gone anywhere for 30 years. same things were said back then.
Dak will be gone soon enough. we are still going nowhere. guaranteed.
we could have Mahomes and Jerry would say that should be enough to win and then focus on Mahomes Jersey sales totals.

 

[Wangchung83]

I never said he was deprived of talent. In 16 the cowboys undoing was exactly the same as 14 under Romo the defense caved. 18 the Rams rushed for over 250 against the cowboys and Jarrod goff sealed with his scramble. 21 and 22 you could make a case for blaming dak especially 22 but there were other factors as well. Of course we know the GB debacle was an attrocious defense showing along with daks putrid output. Sure Dak hasn't been good enough to overcome the other aspects of the team.

I think the line got worse when Leary left and yes Tfred getting his illness took away a huge part of their line and Tyron started getting dinged up alot

I know weve had this conversation before but I actually like the 14 version of the cowboys better than the 16 and beyond. Murray was a big reason they got there and a big reason they lost that fumble was huge but they had their chances still. defense let them down.

dont matter how much Dak or Romo got paid it takes more than a QB.

I must be forgetting 21 and 22 that you glossed right over. Dak needed to put up 19 pts and 23 pts. You say the defense let him down, but you forget Romo never had a defense that asked him to score only 19 pts or 23 pts. Cole Beasley and an aged Dez were not comparable to Amari, Ceedee, Zeke, etc. he had a loaded offense and couldn’t put any points on the board, he looked aweful in both games. I don’t care about 2023, bc defense was a problem but not the only problem. Dak accounted for 14 of those first half 27 points and that’s all she wrote. I find it funny we blame that on the defense bc I would’ve gave up too, Dak looked like his usual deer in the headlights and no chance your coming back from 27-0.

 

[starfan1]

I must be forgetting 21 and 22 that you glossed right over. Dak needed to put up 19 pts and 23 pts. You say the defense let him down, but you forget Romo never had a defense that asked him to score only 19 pts or 23 pts. Cole Beasley and an aged Dez were not comparable to Amari, Ceedee, Zeke, etc. he had a loaded offense and couldn’t put any points on the board, he looked aweful in both games. I don’t care about 2023, bc defense was a problem but not the only problem. Dak accounted for 14 of those first half 27 points and that’s all she wrote. I find it funny we blame that on the defense bc I would’ve gave up too, Dak looked like his usual deer in the headlights and no chance your coming back from 27-0.

that's why guys like you cant be taken serious.Go look at the post you quoted again.I made it a point to say that you could make a case for 21 and 22 as Dak being at fault but he wasnt alone.Guys like you want to pin it all on the QB which means youre either a hater or lack football IQ or both.

Dak definitely gets a share of the blame both years especially 22. Dak accounted for 7 pts not 14 the defense could have stepped up and held them to a FG but as per there usual when the stops are needed they don't get them in GB game. Im also pretty sure in 22 Diggs dropped a surefire int and his whiff on Kittle didn't help matters either.Its never 1 thing Football is a team sport and the cowboys never seem to play to complimentary football. either the offense is good and the defense isnt or visa versa.

You may think a different QB fixes everything but you'd be wrong. Im certainly not opposed to different QB in fact with Daks injuries the cowboys better be thinking about it but they have alot more to fix than just the QB. and yes I agree Romo didnt have the best of defensive squads but if you look at the rankings Daks hasn't been much better but they played much better in the playoffs than they did regular season. They both have had their chances and for different reason they both came up short. I prefer to put the blame on the organization versus one player as the biggest culprit and that's is the 2 buffoons at the top.

I get it though if you hate the player keep blaming the player.

 

[kskboys]

we haven't gone anywhere for 30 years. same things were said back then.
Dak will be gone soon enough. we are still going nowhere. guaranteed.
we could have Mahomes and Jerry would say that should be enough to win and then focus on Mahomes Jersey sales totals.

I should have said Dak's cap hits off the books and Jerry out of the decision making process!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I should have said Dak's cap hits off the books and Jerry out of the decision making process!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the only thing that will fix it is Jerry jones out of decision making process. nothing else matters. Mahomes would not have won here. guaranteed. jerry would never pay Reid 20M a year....he would pair Mahomes with Garrett type coach. and give him peanuts for support.

 

[starfan1]

It depends. if gin....er I mean certain people are defending Daks winning record...it's all dak.

If someone points out Dak's losing record it was the team. Bad routes. Bad play calls.

So who gives Dak all the credit ? The only person I have seen come remotely close to that is AC and even he will stop short of that

 

[kskboys]

irrelevant to actual football. not irrelevant to business and marketing from Jerry's perspective...separate the two

Sure, but this thread is about how Dak's contract affects the team's winning. It wasn't about business.

Any player paid at the top of the market absolutely has to play at the top. When they don't, the contract affects the team's winning. It's just that simple.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Sure, but this thread is about how Dak's contract affects the team's winning. It wasn't about business.

Any player paid at the top of the market absolutely has to play at the top. When they don't, the contract affects the team's winning. It's just that simple.

but it is related. Dak has that contract because it was made as a business decision not a football decision, with the goal of taking actions to improve the team in the competitive NFL landscape.
It was a business decision because there is cost control measures in NFL (namely cap). and he doesn't care who gets the money as long as he is within the cap and has 53 on the roster. in fact he rather be closer to the cap floor than cap ceiling. which we have been.

and my issue with your statement about market and how they play are not reality. that's not how contracts and market forces work. that's just a plain misnomer and fallacy many use to argue.
its like buying a 3 bedroom house in NYC for 5M, vs. a 8000 square foot mansion in Texas for 1M. its market and market forces not necessarily reflecting on what to expect.
I am sure the price will go up. in fact I guarantee it. Dak had a 40M contract and was second in NFL for a brief moment before watson contract. was expectations he play like the 3rd best player in NFL? in 2 years he dropped to 11th in the NFL, is expectations now that he plays at 11th best level!?

and I refuse to accept that 5M difference in one player salary is handicapping this team to a standstill and in fact going backwards. that's the difference between Goff and Dak contract. lets even look at Philly. Hurts signing before Dak, has a 51M salary. is 9M the difference between Philly and Dallas? btw, we had 23M on the cap.

the issue is not the contract, nor cap space. the issue is Jerry and Stephen refusing to make winning priority #1