NY Post - Kellen Moore’s job in jeopardy

[NFCBeasts]

Not to defend anything Dak related as I think he's not the answer and should be replaced, but...
You don't think familiarity is needed, or do you think it's supposed to be an instantaneous thing when it comes to a new mentor and a new scheme with a new playbook and language?

That's what you think?

Your point is valid but it’s frustrating 8 years and counting. Like all of us, outside the Eagles fans pretending on this board, i want to be back in the conference championship. I want us to be relevant again.

 

[CowboysExchange]

The only reason you get rid of moore is because you realize this qb can not pass his way to a sb, its got to lean more on the run. That isnt moore's expertise. Playoff games exposed him aa a play caller a bit more as well.

We need to "aquire" offensive "skill position" players this year and bring in more talent and speed. Imo

He's still a pretty young kid that has a lot to learn. He just has to work his way up through the coaching ranks and pay his years of dues like everyone else. Imo

Id find a qualified candidate before I moved him to QB coach. Just keep his salary the same lol

 

[gimmesix]

So you're consistent: everything about the offense deserves.
I just wonder why this team can be a top O and then stink in the playoffs.

Dak's butt has puckered and did this year, but there were years when his didn't and they still couldn't make hay.

What's the deal? I'm not arguing with anybody, I'm just asking questions.

I think it's the Garrett factor (which we still see with Kellen, his disciple). Garrett put together some pretty good offenses with personnel that was better than it will ever be given credit for being because it was held back by Garrett's offensive philosophy.

The problem with a Garrett-led offense is that when it goes up against high-quality defense, it doesn't have the innovative qualities to give it an edge. Moore has been better about that than Garrett, but he seems to revert to that less-creative philosophy at times, which leaves you with my 11 guys trying to win straight up against your 11 guys.

This is why I wouldn't mind moving on from Moore. He has shown he can put together a top offense in the league, but may just lack the ability to take it up a notch when needed by thinking outside of the box. Instead, there's a tendency to revert instead of innovate IMO.

 

[Portnoy1]

No. That’s what he gets for calling a precise gameplan one week. Then going away from what works the next week. I feel bad for Kellen because he learned from Garrett so it’s really not his fault. But when you throw in the red zone on 2nd and 2. It’s dumb. Period. Dak was garbage in that game but Moore did him no favours. Kurt Warner, bill parcells, and babe all agreed. And they know more about football than we will ever know.

Yeah but dumb*** cowboys fans on here think Kurt Warners is an idiot and a hater when he calls out Dak, Moore or anyone else on the offense for not performing

 

[Birch_Wood]

Kellen has a top 3 offense so Dak sucks.
Dak helms a top 3 offense so Kellen sucks.

Zeke sucks.
The WR's suck.
The OL needs help.
The TE's are nothing to write home about...

I just don't get it.

How does a top 3 offense even happen with all this suckage?

Yes, seems like when Cowboys win it's Dak, or the defense, when they lose it's Moore. Hard to follow.

 

[Corso]

Your point is valid but it’s frustrating 8 years and counting. Like all of us, outside the Eagles fans pretending on this board, i want to be back in the conference championship. I want us to be relevant again.

I'm with ya bubba. I'm with ya.

 

[Birch_Wood]

Yeah but dumb*** cowboys fans on here think Kurt Warners is an idiot and a hater when he calls out Dak, Moore or anyone else on the offense for not performing

I enjoy Kurt's breakdown on the plays. He has a good understanding of the game.

 

[Corso]

I think it's the Garrett factor (which we still see with Kellen, his disciple). Garrett put together some pretty good offenses with personnel that was better than it will ever be given credit for being because it was held back by Garrett's offensive philosophy.

The problem with a Garrett-led offense is that when it goes up against high-quality defense, it doesn't have the innovative qualities to give it an edge. Moore has been better about that than Garrett, but he seems to revert to that less-creative philosophy at times, which leaves you with my 11 guys trying to win straight up against your 11 guys.

This is why I wouldn't mind moving on from Moore. He has shown he can put together a top offense in the league, but may just lack the ability to take it up a notch when needed by thinking outside of the box. Instead, there's a tendency to revert instead of innovate IMO.

You may be right. I don't know.
May be Dak bogs the O gameplan down, for all we know.

I certainly don't, but it's been a conundrum for me in how we can look like world beaters one game and lepers of the poor the next.

 

[gimmesix]

You may be right. I don't know.
May be Dak bogs the O gameplan down, for all we know.

I certainly don't, but it's been a conundrum for me in how we can look like world beaters one game and lepers of the poor the next.

Well, it's not only how good the defense is, but what schemes it uses. What may work well against one scheme won't work against another, so if you can't adjust then you are going to fail.

One reason that Quinn has had so much success here against so many different teams is because he's learned to be versatile with his scheme. Now, some things stay the same, but you can slide things around within that to make things more difficult against the opposing offenses.

I'm not saying Moore doesn't make adjustments. Just that we show the ability to adjust to some things more than others. In this league, you've got to have things that effectively counter any scheme and force the defense out of what it is comfortable doing.

 

[zack]

Kellen has a top 3 offense so Dak sucks.
Dak helms a top 3 offense so Kellen sucks.

Zeke sucks.
The WR's suck.
The OL needs help.
The TE's are nothing to write home about...

I just don't get it.

How does a top 3 offense even happen with all this suckage?

The offense is dated and for the past 16 years the same thing happens. The offense gets bottled up in the most important time of the year, the playoffs.
I was excited when McCarthy got the job. Offensive minded coach that ran the West Coast offense. How often do you see guys running wide open in that offense? It’s time for a change. Hopefully we see something different next season.

 

[Corso]

Well, it's not only how good the defense is, but what schemes it uses. What may work well against one scheme won't work against another, so if you can't adjust then you are going to fail.

One reason that Quinn has had so much success here against so many different teams is because he's learned to be versatile with his scheme. Now, some things stay the same, but you can slide things around within that to make things more difficult against the opposing offenses.

I'm not saying Moore doesn't make adjustments. Just that we show the ability to adjust to some things more than others. In this league, you've got to have things that effectively counter any scheme and force the defense out of what it is comfortable doing.

I wholeheartedly agree.
I just wonder if our QB is holding the O from doing such things, or if the OC just doesn't bother and sticks to what he wants to do?

 

[MaineBoy]

So you are one of those guys.
Every team that got into the playoffs have to be poo-poo'd while the other teams may be better?
I don't have to name anyone. If you paid attention, you'd know.
You like to put qualifiers on everyone for everything so yay.
You win.
They beat a bunch of teams that got into the playoffs because of a bunch of flukes to you.
Got it.

Okay, back to the original point: if we scrutinize the record we beat a lot of weak teams but get smoked by the 49ers level teams. Our defense is there - but the offense isn’t.

 

[Wangchung83]

Daks the problem, from what we know for eight years now..It’s not the wr we got rid of those, it’s the defense, oh wait they are gassed when dak shuts down and goes three and out. He holds on to the ball and turns it over in bad field position, but everyone overlooks the fact that he threw the ball and took the risk. It ridiculous, he audibles into bad calls and can’t read squat, themes the facts boys. He threw his own wr1 under the bus twice this year, then it was the tight end, then it was brown, pollard, line, etc. only problem is only one player involved in all those midhaps and it’s your prince Dakota. Thanks but my bet it’s not Moore, but Dak until someone goes back and writes history. Dak didn’t win in college, he lost the orange bowl game that they highlight on his wiki, he’s never been a winner and that’s why he’s a 4th rd pick.

 

[gimmesix]

I wholeheartedly agree.
I just wonder if our QB is holding the O from doing such things, or if the OC just doesn't bother and sticks to what he wants to do?

I still maintain that Dak is good enough if the team is good enough, and that includes the scheme. I don't think there's much of a difference between him and Hurts, to be honest, but Hurts' team built an offense around him, backed it with a top-10 defense and also uses him in ways that maximize his skills.

 

[Cowboys0988]

Okay. I get that, but who really sucks when apparently everything and everybody sucks according to the peeps here?
Yet they field a top offense every year leading up?

The guy that tosses 2 picks every game, and lead the league in picks while playing in 5 less games. Thats my guess.

 

[MaineBoy]

I think it's the Garrett factor (which we still see with Kellen, his disciple). Garrett put together some pretty good offenses with personnel that was better than it will ever be given credit for being because it was held back by Garrett's offensive philosophy.

The problem with a Garrett-led offense is that when it goes up against high-quality defense, it doesn't have the innovative qualities to give it an edge. Moore has been better about that than Garrett, but he seems to revert to that less-creative philosophy at times, which leaves you with my 11 guys trying to win straight up against your 11 guys.

This is why I wouldn't mind moving on from Moore. He has shown he can put together a top offense in the league, but may just lack the ability to take it up a notch when needed by thinking outside of the box. Instead, there's a tendency to revert instead of innovate IMO.

I think the difference is that against bad teams our talent advantage carries us. But when we face teams where the talent is equal, then the other factors like scheme and coaching make the difference. That’s where I think Moore and his old scheme and play calling put us at the disadvantage. Throw in a Dak mistake or two and we’re sitting at home instead of playing this weekend.

 

[Corso]

Okay, back to the original point: if we scrutinize the record we beat a lot of weak teams but get smoked by the 49ers level teams. Our defense is there - but the offense isn’t.

Both sides are inconsistent.
Let's not let recency bias rule the roost.

 

[Cowboys0988]

I still maintain that Dak is good enough if the team is good enough, and that includes the scheme. I don't think there's much of a difference between him and Hurts, to be honest, but Hurts' team built an offense around him, backed it with a top-10 defense and also uses him in ways that maximize his skills.

Hurts made 1.5 million last year... You were saying? Cowboys could have had 25 Hurts last year vs 1 Dak.

 

[Corso]

The guy that tosses 2 picks every game, and lead the league in picks while playing in 5 less games. Thats my guess.

Certainly a big deal, yes, but also a part of the top 3 O too?

 

[gimmesix]

Hurts made 1.5 million last year... You were saying? Cowboys could have had 25 Hurts last year vs 1 Dak.

Not sure what they got paid has anything to do with what I said. My post was about ability. I don't think there's much difference in their ability.

Hurts is getting paid so much less than Prescott because he's on his rookie deal. When he gets his new deal, it will be more than what Prescott got.