NY Times- Baylor Has Built Texas Sized Athletic Program

[YosemiteSam]

This coming season is going to show how much of an impact RGIII really made at Baylor.

 

[Doomsday101]

This coming season is going to show how much of an impact RGIII really made at Baylor.

I'm sure it will but don't forget Briles is the one who got Kevin Kolb and Case Keenum along with RGIII. I doubt Briles will be lacking an effective QB. As good as RGIII? chances are no but given Briles offense and his ability to find QB to play within his system that should be a big help to Baylor

 

[The30YardSlant]

I'm sure it will but don't forget Briles is the one who got Kevin Kolb and Case Keenum along with RGIII. I doubt Briles will be lacking an effective QB. As good as RGIII? chances are no but given Briles offense and his ability to find QB to play within his system that should be a big help to Baylor

Robert Griffin was a highly touted, four-star nationally recruited player with offers from Nebraska, Tennessee, Oregon, etc. He committed to Houston because his high school coach was best friends with Art Bries and then followed Briles to Baylor. In contrast, the QBs on Baylor's roster next year are Bryce Petty, two unheralded recruits whom had Baylor as their most significant offer out of HS and a walk-on. Nick Florence is the only guy there with any experience whatsoever and he has thrown 24 passes in the last two years. Petty has never thrown a pass and, while a good QB recruit by Baylor's standards, still wasnt a top 40 overall QB recruit.

What I'm saying is that nobody was surprised that Robert Griffin turned out to be a good QB. If anybody on their current roster even makes a blip on the national radar it would qualify as at least somewhat of a surprise. To say they'll be fine because "Briles has had success with QBs in the past" is putting an undue amount of faith in him IMO. Let's also keep in mind that Case Keenum succeed in CUSA, has be dogged by scouts for years and is expected to be picked pretty low in the draft. He is unlikely to succeed past the mid-major level.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I'm sure it will but don't forget Briles is the one who got Kevin Kolb and Case Keenum along with RGIII. I doubt Briles will be lacking an effective QB. As good as RGIII? chances are no but given Briles offense and his ability to find QB to play within his system that should be a big help to Baylor

I wasn't slighting them with that post. I was pointing out that we will find out just how much of an impact RGIII was for Baylor in comparison to the rest of Baylor team.

 

[Aikbach]

I wasn't slighting them with that post. I was pointing out that we will find out just how much of an impact RGIII was for Baylor in comparison to the rest of Baylor team.

Yep, I agree will be a good barometer of how far they've come if they win 8 to 10 games without a pre-season superstar.

 

[Aikbach]

You take shots at ATM whenever there is a thread talking about ATM or if ATM fans chime in on baylor.

Whatever you claim they do, you do as well. You are like the baylor version of them.

I really don't know how you don't see it.

Only in response to them have I ever been needling, i'm over it, you should be too. I simply asked them to grow up and quit being broken records about how unworthy they perceive Baylor is, not even in a conference I watch anymore so i really couldn't care less and neither should they since they won't even play Baylor or any other Big 12 team possibly ever again.

 

[Doomsday101]

Robert Griffin was a highly touted, four-star nationally recruited player with offers from Nebraska, Tennessee, Oregon, etc. He committed to Houston because his high school coach was best friends with Art Bries and then followed Briles to Baylor. In contrast, the QBs on Baylor's roster next year are Bryce Petty, two unheralded recruits whom had Baylor as their most significant offer out of HS and a walk-on. Nick Florence is the only guy there with any experience whatsoever and he has thrown 24 passes in the last two years. Petty has never thrown a pass and, while a good QB recruit by Baylor's standards, still wasnt a top 40 overall QB recruit.

What I'm saying is that nobody was surprised that Robert Griffin turned out to be a good QB. If anybody on their current roster even makes a blip on the national radar it would qualify as at least somewhat of a surprise. To say they'll be fine because "Briles has had success with QBs in the past" is putting an undue amount of faith in him IMO. Let's also keep in mind that Case Keenum succeed in CUSA, has be dogged by scouts for years and is expected to be picked pretty low in the draft. He is unlikely to succeed past the mid-major level.

I'm not talking about what these kids will do in the draft or in the NFL on the college level Keenum has excelled it may not translate into the NFL who care, Briles job it to help Baylor win.

He has put in good systems that fit the QB he has put in place. Of course losing RGIII is going to be a hit but I think Baylor can still be a fairly competitive team.

I'm not predicting Baylor to win the Big 12, Do I think they can put together a competitive program yes I do and I think Briles is a good man to help them do that.

 

[Aikbach]

I'm not talking about what these kids will do in the draft or in the NFL on the college level Keenum has excelled it may not translate into the NFL who care, Briles job it to help Baylor win.

He has put in good systems that fit the QB he has put in place. Of course losing RGIII is going to be a hit but I think Baylor can still be a fairly competitive team.

I'm not predicting Baylor to win the Big 12, Do I think they can put together a competitive program yes I do and I think Briles is a good man to help them do that.

System is key, and Briles reputation and favorable standing with Texas high schools has served him well.

Allows him to grab RGIII's here and there, and success begets success in college football as in many things, recruitment is always aided by good results.

If an RGIII would play for Briles at 4-8 then an RGIII type will certainly play for Briles at 10-3 and ranked top 15.

 

[Doomsday101]

System is key, and Briles reputation and favorable standing with Texas high schools has served him well.

Allows him to grab RGIII's here and there, and success begets success in college football as in many things, recruitment is always aided by good results.

If an RGIII would play for Briles at 4-8 then an RGIII type will certainly play for Briles at 10-3 and ranked top 15.

I see Briles much as I do June Jones, they put their system in place and they help make perennial losers competitive. In the end if Baylor is willing to back and support Briles and the football program it has a chance to become something Baylor fans can take pride in as opposed to being an easy mark on other teams schedules

 

[Aikbach]

I see Briles much as I do June Jones, they put their system in place and they help make perennial losers competitive. In the end if Baylor is willing to back and support Briles and the football program it has a chance to become something Baylor fans can take pride in as opposed to being an easy mark on other teams schedules

I agree, he's likable like Jones but he's a lot more tenacious behind the scenes like a Gary Patterson and little more disciplined and certainly more humble than Mike Leach, who's coaching tree he springs from.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree, he's likable like Jones but he's a lot more tenacious behind the scenes like a Gary Patterson and little more disciplined and certainly more humble than Mike Leach, who's coaching tree he springs from.

I do think he will always face the uphill battle at Baylor, it is hard recruiting vs Texas and OU. However the more you win the more TV exposure you get the easier it is to attract kids to your school.

 

[Aikbach]

I do think he will always face the uphill battle at Baylor, it is hard recruiting vs Texas and OU. However the more you win the more TV exposure you get the easier it is to attract kids to your school.

A private school isn't going to be a national title contender every year, but they can be top 20 every year and occasionally crack the top ten and five.

 

[Doomsday101]

A private school isn't going to be a national title contender every year, but they can be top 20 every year and occasionally crack the top ten and five.

Top 20 every year would be a lot to ask but I do think the school can build a fairly successful program and have years where they contend in the top 10.

It comes back to the school support of the program and of course hiring good people.

 

[The30YardSlant]

A private school isn't going to be a national title contender every year, but they can be top 20 every year and occasionally crack the top ten and five.

A private school can definitely compete every year. Three of the all-time top 10 programs in college football are private institutions.

Very few of Baylor's football troubles were the result of them being private. Location, fanbase, facilities, resources and team success all played far bigger roles. Baylor was severely lacking in all areas ever since late in the Teff era.

 

[Aikbach]

Baylor beats Kansas finally after being pummeled by them twice in the regular season and advances to the Big 12 Championship in men's basketball, quickly someone find a way to demean that, certain people surely want to.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Odd game. Kansas was 2-13 from three, their worst percentage in a Big XII tournament game in 10 years. Baylor, who if I'm not mistaken is a below average FT shooting team, hit almost 90% of their FTs.

Perry Jones is a beast, and I hate that lanky arse white center Withers for KU. He gets away with more body contact than just about any player I've ever seen and he's a nobody once he's done at Kansas.

 

[Cythim]

Odd game. Kansas was 2-13 from three, their worst percentage in a Big XII tournament game in 10 years. Baylor, who if I'm not mistaken is a below average FT shooting team, hit almost 90% of their FTs.

Perry Jones is a beast, and I hate that lanky arse white center Withers for KU. He gets away with more body contact than just about any player I've ever seen and he's a nobody once he's done at Kansas.

Kansas was distracted by the new uniforms Baylor wore. :laugh2:

 

[Aikbach]

Baylor is also pumping 200 million plus into a waterfront on campus stadium, complete with marina and a walkway across the Brazos from the law school, the main campus walking distance away.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150699789704497.412413.87236249496&type=3

 

[DasTex]

Baylor is also pumping 200 million plus into a waterfront on campus stadium, complete with marina and a walkway across the Brazos from the law school, the main campus walking distance away.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150699789704497.412413.87236249496&type=3

YES, a marina on the Brazos - how lovely

 

[Aikbach]

YES, a marina on the Brazos - how lovely

It's really not bad, it coincides with a city initiative to spur on a river walk project.

Plus you'll have the nicest baseball ball park in the Big 12, one of the nicest football stadiums and the law school all up on the river, where riverboats paddle past toward the rolling hills of Cameron Park, it's actually rather charming setting.

Looks like some of the links, fractured, well pooh. All the same it isn't a bad aesthetic.