OC with 1st, 4th & 8th Ranked Offense

[G2]

Like I said, statements like KM abandoned the run game aren't substantiated by facts.

Moore, in fact, was hired by San Diego in part because of the run game (Dallas was 5th in and Joe Lombardi was fired, because of the lack of run game.


As STaley points out, the RG puts pressure on a defense and leads to explosive plays.



As I've been saying all year long, if Dak played in San Diego with Lombardi and Herbert in Dallas with Moore, the Chargers would have been 3-13, especially with all their injuries, and we'd have been on to the Eagles dropping 40 on their 'vaunted' defense.

Facts are, the OC provides the QB with OPPORTUNITIES for plays to be made on the field. It is the QBs responsibility to then make the necessary choice. One can yap all one wants about Gallup's route, but what is very clear is Dak should not have thrown it STARING GALLUP, who was blanketed anyways down, and Moore had given Dak a clear option in the flat with Zeke, who was wide open and had nobody covering him, and would have netted close to 10 yards.

Moore is awesome in some regular season games. Can't call a decent game vs playoff teams. But yeah, of course you're blaming Dak, lol.

 

[khiladi]

Moore is awesome in some regular season games. Can't call a decent game vs playoff teams. But yeah, of course you're blaming Dak, lol.

No, Dak just sucks and always has against “play-off teams”…. Dudes been getting away playing in a gather dividing his whole career, until this year.

 

[Brooksey]

Jason Garrett, Kellen Moore both had #1 offense at times but yet we couldn't win a significant playoff game with Romo or Prescott, yet Nick Foles and Brock Purdy are winning playoff games and SB's.
#1 rated means nothing if you can't execute against the best defenses in the playoffs. We need a scheme that reduces some of the negative long developing curl routes, time for Garrett's version of Air Coryell to die in Dallas.
Air Garrett/Coryell belongs in SD with a QB like Herbert, could be a great fit. Dan Fouts was throwing for 5k 40 years ago in SD using the vertical system.

MM's version is more West coast but similar in some ways, he wants to keep a lot of what we're doing and subtract the bad, add some screen, draws, quick hitters and bootlegs to the offense for DAK Prescott to limit turnovers
and simplify the reads against zone coverage.

If he doesn't do this, it was a bad decision. Moore is very good, but was not very good for Dak Prescott against the best defenses. The Proof is in the pudding.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Dang, Cooper Rush must be the best quarterback in the NFL to win 4 of his 5 games this year with the worst OC in the NFL.

 

[Pass2Run]

Moore's offense was nearly last with Rush early on when the team was pretty healthy. And these rankings never take in account the running statistics for some reason.
Also, who cares because Moore was terrible in the play offs. How many more years do you want to give him a shot at calling a post season game vs. a good team?
We learned from Garrett that you need to crap or get off the toilet.

Well, because that part that says 1st means there wasn't anyone else who did it better. And that 8 means, that out of 32 teams, Dallas was in the top 25 percent of the league, or higher, for three consecutive years.

 

[Pass2Run]

I think people around here need to decide if it's a team game or not and stick to their guns. Be consistent, whichever way you choose.

So, Ken: is it, or isn't it a team game?

I just look at that pathetic throw to Gallup as he was wide open. Just missed the mark, and by a good 6 feet, and I shake my head.

I mean, the play was there. You just have to make it. Cowboys didn't execute. Didn't stay focused on executing.

 

[Pass2Run]

Even if you like Kellen Moore you have to accept that as the OC by definition he WAS part of the problem with the Cowboys offense. How much blame people put on Dak, Moore, the offensive line, the receivers whoever is up to them but to sit here and act as if a lot of the issues on the offense cannot be traced back to Moore is lunacy. Even if one buys into the narrative that "Dak audibles out of running plays" (which I don't buy) but let's say he does. Whose responsibility is it to make sure that Dak DOESN'T audible out of too many running plays? Whose responsibility is it to send in TWO running plays instead of one pass and one run and let Dak decide? If there are defensive looks that Dak struggles against whose responsibility is it to school him so that he stops struggling against them? Or whose responsibility is it to simply call plays that help make the reads easier. How about more pre-snap motion to force the defense to identify? How about moving the pocket to create a better line of sight? Dak is 6'2" not 6'7". His line of sight is not the same as some of your NBA forward sized QBs. How about more designed QB runs to keep the defense thinking about him? How about some zone reads to really mess with their heads? These are schemes that we KNOW Dak can ball out with. So why not use them more? Why keep calling plays like he's some classic drop back passer. He's not.. nor does he need to be. Russell Wilson isn't. Mahomes isn't. Hell Rodgers isn't. There is a long list of really successful QBs in the league who don't just drop back 3-5-7 steps and sling it. There is no reason Dak can't be one of them. But he was never going to be that with Moore living out his own failed QB fantasies out through him. Like I said.. I wish Moore well.. but it was time for a change in Dallas. and I welcome it.

You're leaving out how a guy who was missing so many pieces, several times, did so much with so little. That's what made Kellen good. He could come up with a win when you needed it. You can't blame him for what we know Dak did. That's stupid. Even if you want to say Dak is human. He was a good coordinator.

 

[cowboyec]

dak QB'd the 1st 4th and 8th ranked offenses also.

 

[Pass2Run]

Moore is awesome in some regular season games. Can't call a decent game vs playoff teams. But yeah, of course you're blaming Dak, lol.

Everyone ups the ante in the playoffs. Or the good teams do. You need everyone on board, and it's not everyone's fault when one player jumps ship and sinks the rest of the team.

Fire everybody, and put the monkey in charge who can't ever keep track of the clock.

 

[Cmac]

To Charger fans....."you been had, you been took, you been hoodwinked, you been bambozzled, you been led astray, run amuck".......now Good Luck.

 

[shabazz]

Oh but it is OK when the clip of Carr beating him in street clothes is thrown out every week, that is totally fine.

Both are bad examples……only game play really matters. Especially in the post season

 

[shabazz]

Fire everybody, and put the monkey in charge who can't ever keep track of the clock.

Leave the primates out of this!

 

[G2]

Everyone ups the ante in the playoffs. Or the good teams do. You need everyone on board, and it's not everyone's fault when one player jumps ship and sinks the rest of the team.

Fire everybody, and put the monkey in charge who can't ever keep track of the clock.

One player?

 

[75boyz]

in his first and only 3 seasons.........and fans couldn't wait to run him out of town. I know 34 year old successful OC's grow on trees, but this is nutty.. Before this season, PFF ranked Moore the 2nd best play caller in the NFL behind Reid in Kansas City, maybe thats a bit high, but is it? Hes 34 and has a lot of growing and learning to do, while already having a top 10 offense in every one his first 3 years on the job.. And fans literally couldn't get rid of him fast enough.

Reading the Chargers forums, they are all stoked about Moore coming over, and they should be. How many years will it take for Moore working with Herbert, a Legit Franchise QB, to get the Chargers offense playing like a top 5 unit in the NFL? 1 or 2 seasons?

I guess its easier to blame a coach than it is to blame a QB that you're stuck with. Running Moore out of town was not a logical move. Only a team like the Cowboys would fire a young talented OC with the offensive rankings he designed and called. Coaching for 3 years..3 straight top 10 rankings.. "Yeah, He Sucks!, Fire Him!!... We need a Real OC for Dak."

Lets see what Big Mike can do, which is a pretty nice consolation prize imo. If Dak leads the NFL in picks again, I'm sure it will be Mikes fault too.

Great post.

 

[quickccc]

in his first and only 3 seasons.........and fans couldn't wait to run him out of town. I know 34 year old successful OC's grow on trees, but this is nutty.. Before this season, PFF ranked Moore the 2nd best play caller in the NFL behind Reid in Kansas City, maybe thats a bit high, but is it? Hes 34 and has a lot of growing and learning to do, while already having a top 10 offense in every one his first 3 years on the job.. And fans literally couldn't get rid of him fast enough.

Reading the Chargers forums, they are all stoked about Moore coming over, and they should be. How many years will it take for Moore working with Herbert, a Legit Franchise QB, to get the Chargers offense playing like a top 5 unit in the NFL? 1 or 2 seasons?

I guess its easier to blame a coach than it is to blame a QB that you're stuck with. Running Moore out of town was not a logical move. Only a team like the Cowboys would fire a young talented OC with the offensive rankings he designed and called. Coaching for 3 years..3 straight top 10 rankings.. "Yeah, He Sucks!, Fire Him!!... We need a Real OC for Dak."

Lets see what Big Mike can do, which is a pretty nice consolation prize imo. If Dak leads the NFL in picks again, I'm sure it will be Mikes fault too.

- Kellen will give Chargers league leading " stats" ... but when it becomes big boy stuff in the playoffs.. all those shiny toys and tools in stats is gonna go outta the window because
once he is against the better DC's, better defensive personnel and better defensive teams that adjust to Kellen ... Kellen will not be able to adjust to THEM.

- They will " Blue- Print " Kellen, ..but Kellen will not be able to counter scheme them during the game - that never seemed to change year to year.

- i remember Jerry saying in an radio interview, you don't wait until the offseason to make adjustments .. to me that was a hint of the frustration within organization.
and signs of things to come.

- Kellen is not bad play caller, imo - i actually believe he had to water down some of things he likes to implement for the sake of lessening confusion of Dak Prescott
its just he does have some limits of his own, that will eventually limit the team in the most critical times - especially come playoffs,..

 

[Sarge]

I respect your stance on things but still feel it was time for a change.

It was. Time to change the QB.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Things we dont know-
If KM was running his offense or one that the GM liked and asked to stay in place (we dont know)
If KM thought running #21 alot was good or bad or was he told to do it (we dont know)
If KM and Dak where on the same page on what to do and what audibles to call (we dont know)
If KM believed that Noah Brown was ready and Cooper was not needed (we Dont know)
you can speculate but in reality we dont know the answers to these questions at all

Thing we do know-
Dak has a contract that is not going anywhere for 2 years without flushing this thing down the toilet- (we know this)
Jerry Jones will be the GM next year - (aside from natural selection taking its course, this is a good bet)
We have a defense that seems to be ready to win now (the playoff play could be a fluke but this seems pretty tight to me)

So unless your going to run it back the same again in which case everyones head would explode.... Changing out KM was the only real option that could happen. You hired MM as an Offensive coach it took 3 years but eventually Jerry got around to wanting to see what he paid for.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

Will the OC position improve next season?

My guess is NO.

 

[EJK24]

It was. Time to change the QB.

Its time to draft a QB but we seem stuck with Prescott at the moment because of his contract. I don't think he and Moore were going to be anymore successful then they've been up to this point.