OC with 1st, 4th & 8th Ranked Offense

[SteveTheCowboy]

I think people around here need to decide if it's a team game or not and stick to their guns. Be consistent, whichever way you choose.

So, Ken: is it, or isn't it a team game?

It's player stats when convenient. Team game when it's convenient.

It's funny watching some people call others out for it, while doing the exact same thing themselves.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yeah it's a huge win for Dallas. Now we can go from the 2nd most productive offense to the 1st. Can't wait.

Or...maybe we can be more consistent and break through when the opportunity arises.

 

[Risen Star]

Or...maybe we can be more consistent and break through when the opportunity arises.

I agree. We need to be more consistent than having the 2nd most productive offense over the last 4 years. Good point.

 

[Risen Star]

It was more than Fans. Looks like Jerry did some house cleaning.

Please tell me you're not trying to validate the move with a Jerry Jones decision.

 

[DFWJC]

Going to go out on a limb and say Moore is pretty happy with his situation right now.

 

[Ken]

I think people around here need to decide if it's a team game or not and stick to their guns. Be consistent, whichever way you choose.

So, Ken: is it, or isn't it a team game?

It is either or. That is how it is used against Dak, so you fight fire with fire.

 

[shabazz]

"Not even on the same level"

Lol.

This viewpoint is so prevalent and a joke. Sorry...still waiting for "Mr. Next Level" to not blow a playoff game with a 27 point lead.

……I’m just the messenger.

 

[DFWJC]

It is either or. That is how it is used against Dak, so you fight fire with fire.

So you are saying the few people that do that are correct?
Ok

So by your standard, Sam Howell > Dak
Hey, he might be eventually, but that seems a stretch this early


j/k

you know what I'm saying (and have always said)....QBs dont beat QB....teams do.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

Jerry’s management decisions seem to be centered around covering for his mistakes rather than facing and correcting them.

 

[Ken]

So you are saying the few people that do that are correct?
Ok

So by your standard, Sam Howell > Dak
Hey, he might be eventually, but that seems a stretch this early


j/k

you know what I'm saying (and have always said)....QBs dont beat QB....teams do.

Ya but if the Chargers won that game, it would be used against Dak every day.

Kind of like now all we here are Purdy beat Dak...lol

 

[T-RO]

Big Mike will become the next piñata around here...and in 12 months there will much celebration here when he's fired. Only difference? That firing will actually make sense.

 

[OriginalNameGuy]

They don't hang banners for regular season stats

 

[nalam]

in his first and only 3 seasons.........and fans couldn't wait to run him out of town. I know 34 year old successful OC's grow on trees, but this is nutty.. Before this season, PFF ranked Moore the 2nd best play caller in the NFL behind Reid in Kansas City, maybe thats a bit high, but is it? Hes 34 and has a lot of growing and learning to do, while already having a top 10 offense in every one his first 3 years on the job.. And fans literally couldn't get rid of him fast enough.

Reading the Chargers forums, they are all stoked about Moore coming over, and they should be. How many years will it take for Moore working with Herbert, a Legit Franchise QB, to get the Chargers offense playing like a top 5 unit in the NFL? 1 or 2 seasons?

I guess its easier to blame a coach than it is to blame a QB that you're stuck with. Running Moore out of town was not a logical move. Only a team like the Cowboys would fire a young talented OC with the offensive rankings he designed and called. Coaching for 3 years..3 straight top 10 rankings.. "Yeah, He Sucks!, Fire Him!!... We need a Real OC for Dak."

Lets see what Big Mike can do, which is a pretty nice consolation prize imo. If Dak leads the NFL in picks again, I'm sure it will be Mikes fault too.

KMs offense was working ok , if you just go by stats . But there are some nuances we need to watch out, we were firing all cylinders against sub par defenses and familiar NFC east foes. But against quality defenses we struggled to score at crucial moments.

Also KMs tendency to drop run game even when it is working is not hidden from anyone ( yards are yards) He was a QB and he thinks ball in QBs hand and passing is the only way to score. ( unfortunately we have a QB who is not exactly fits that mould - or we have lazy route running ball catchers )

another big thing atleast for me is adjustments in game, when things are not working KMs scheme doesnt have anything to overcome . There had been hardly any in game changes which turned the tide , hence the predictabilty of his offense. meaning he couldnt wrap his game plan to the offensive personnel Available much-in Garett Mould.

I dont know if Mike will be any better in extrcting from this Qb and offense , but it needs to be tried. We were not going to beat 4 good Playoff teams with that KM’s philospohy

 

[Loso86]

in his first and only 3 seasons.........and fans couldn't wait to run him out of town. I know 34 year old successful OC's grow on trees, but this is nutty.. Before this season, PFF ranked Moore the 2nd best play caller in the NFL behind Reid in Kansas City, maybe thats a bit high, but is it? Hes 34 and has a lot of growing and learning to do, while already having a top 10 offense in every one his first 3 years on the job.. And fans literally couldn't get rid of him fast enough.

Reading the Chargers forums, they are all stoked about Moore coming over, and they should be. How many years will it take for Moore working with Herbert, a Legit Franchise QB, to get the Chargers offense playing like a top 5 unit in the NFL? 1 or 2 seasons?

I guess its easier to blame a coach than it is to blame a QB that you're stuck with. Running Moore out of town was not a logical move. Only a team like the Cowboys would fire a young talented OC with the offensive rankings he designed and called. Coaching for 3 years..3 straight top 10 rankings.. "Yeah, He Sucks!, Fire Him!!... We need a Real OC for Dak."

Lets see what Big Mike can do, which is a pretty nice consolation prize imo. If Dak leads the NFL in picks again, I'm sure it will be Mikes fault too.

He is not a Bad OC just a bad one for Dak!. He will be fine in La with Herbert and will make them better

 

[khiladi]

KMs offense was working ok , if you just go by stats . But there are some nuances we need to watch out, we were firing all cylinders against sub par defenses and familiar NFC east foes. But against quality defenses we struggled to score at crucial moments.

Also KMs tendency to drop run game even when it is working is not hidden from anyone ( yards are yards) He was a QB and he thinks ball in QBs hand and passing is the only way to score. ( unfortunately we have a QB who is not exactly fits that mould - or we have lazy route running ball catchers )

another big thing atleast for me is adjustments in game, when things are not working KMs scheme doesnt have anything to overcome . There had been hardly any in game changes which turned the tide , hence the predictabilty of his offense. meaning he couldnt wrap his game plan to the offensive personnel Available much-in Garett Mould.

I dont know if Mike will be any better in extrcting from this Qb and offense , but it needs to be tried. We were not going to beat 4 good Playoff teams with that KM’s philospohy

Like I said, statements like KM abandoned the run game aren't substantiated by facts.

Moore, in fact, was hired by San Diego in part because of the run game (Dallas was 5th in and Joe Lombardi was fired, because of the lack of run game.

Last season, the Chargers called a designed pass on 68% of plays, the second-highest rate in the NFL behind only the Buccaneers (68.1%). The Cowboys called a designed pass on 54.6% of their plays in 2022, the sixth-lowest rate in the league.

As STaley points out, the RG puts pressure on a defense and leads to explosive plays.

The Cowboys under Moore ranked 11th in rate of explosive plays (10.1%), qualified as a 10-yard run or 20-yard pass play, while the Chargers the last two seasons under Lombardi ranked 30th (8.1%).

As I've been saying all year long, if Dak played in San Diego with Lombardi and Herbert in Dallas with Moore, the Chargers would have been 3-13, especially with all their injuries, and we'd have been on to the Eagles dropping 40 on their 'vaunted' defense.

Facts are, the OC provides the QB with OPPORTUNITIES for plays to be made on the field. It is the QBs responsibility to then make the necessary choice. One can yap all one wants about Gallup's route, but what is very clear is Dak should not have thrown it STARING GALLUP, who was blanketed anyways down, and Moore had given Dak a clear option in the flat with Zeke, who was wide open and had nobody covering him, and would have netted close to 10 yards.

 

[Davidlee1973]

Because he's a play caller, but has no base system to fall back on when things go bad. He just relies on a better play to get them out of a funk. I feel like someone from the Reid or Shanahan trees will offer a good base they can fall back on when things aren't going well. SF is able to adapt to losing QBs because their base is so good. We surprisingly did well when Dak went out, so I do give Moore and McCarthy credit there, but they also simplified the offense for Rush. A similar gameplan for Dak would have helped him I believe but Moore decided to go a different route.

And lets not act like this team doesn't have talent. There are lots of good recievers, lineman and Dak is a top 15 QB. Plus, until this year 6 games vs the NFC east allowed us to pour on the points

Sorry but other than lamb we do not have any playmakers. Dak top 15 really. He led the league in int’s. And that’s only playing 12 games.

 

[Yoshimitsu]

It's crazy to me how overrated Herbert became in 2 days.

 

[Pass2Run]

in his first and only 3 seasons.........and fans couldn't wait to run him out of town. I know 34 year old successful OC's grow on trees, but this is nutty.. Before this season, PFF ranked Moore the 2nd best play caller in the NFL behind Reid in Kansas City, maybe thats a bit high, but is it? Hes 34 and has a lot of growing and learning to do, while already having a top 10 offense in every one his first 3 years on the job.. And fans literally couldn't get rid of him fast enough.

Reading the Chargers forums, they are all stoked about Moore coming over, and they should be. How many years will it take for Moore working with Herbert, a Legit Franchise QB, to get the Chargers offense playing like a top 5 unit in the NFL? 1 or 2 seasons?

I guess its easier to blame a coach than it is to blame a QB that you're stuck with. Running Moore out of town was not a logical move. Only a team like the Cowboys would fire a young talented OC with the offensive rankings he designed and called. Coaching for 3 years..3 straight top 10 rankings.. "Yeah, He Sucks!, Fire Him!!... We need a Real OC for Dak."

Lets see what Big Mike can do, which is a pretty nice consolation prize imo. If Dak leads the NFL in picks again, I'm sure it will be Mikes fault too.

No doubt. I think fans will realize, and relatively early on, that this was a big mistake.

Moore wasn't the problem, not even close to being the problem. But the fans have too much of a grip on Jerry's decision making.. They whine, he reacts. It's sad he caved to the pressure after this loss. McCarthy doesn't have the talent to call plays and coach this team.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I agree. We need to be more consistent than having the 2nd most productive offense over the last 4 years. Good point.

So...how's it working out for us, then?

How many more years you want cool stats and "nothing" to show from it?

So you are a "keep beating your head against the wall" kinda guy. I see. "hey it's working! I don't feel my broken leg anymore I'm healthy now!

 

[Risen Star]

So...how's it working out for us, then?

How many more years you want cool stats and "nothing" to show from it?

So you are a "keep beating your head against the wall" kinda guy. I see. "hey it's working! I don't feel my broken leg anymore I'm healthy now!

I don't know. Where you see an average at best group of talent on offense and 2nd best overall production and want to change the coordinator, I want to change the talent.

You want change just for change sake. You don't care if it makes sense or not.