OC with 1st, 4th & 8th Ranked Offense

[SteveTheCowboy]

No doubt. I think fans will realize, and relatively early on, that this was a big mistake.

Moore wasn't the problem, not even close to being the problem. But the fans have too much of a grip on Jerry's decision making.. They whine, he reacts. It's sad he caved to the pressure after this loss. McCarthy doesn't have the talent to call plays and coach this team.

So you have zero issue with WR routes? Abandoning a working run game? Or the opposite of that, three delay handoffs up the middle? Calling the exact same play that was almost intercepted, which gets intercepted?

Well..that kinda stuff...brilliant.

It's hilarious that we ALL spend a good amount of time B and M ing about Jerry...butt now that it can serve an agenda...well suddenly everyone hangs on Jerry's word? Maybe that's not it.

Okay....so let's do thsi then. We certainly have shown offensive stats. But we can't seem to crack into playoffs very well. Surely that is a problem, yes? Yes...our playoff record is dismal. So what, in your opinion is the cause?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I don't know. Where you see an average at best group of talent on offense and 2nd best overall production and want to change the coordinator, I want to change the talent.

You want change just for change sake. You don't care if it makes sense or not.

I'd "change the talent" if I could. Although I do think there were some systemic problems. And no, I don't normally make a change just because. There HAS to be a reason for it. This reason? Mostly:Too many people were just not happy enough. I don;t know the reasons for it, but when a HC says "I'm not involved in the offense" (or something of the sort)....that is concerning.

We could go on and on back and forth. Maybe come up with some more condescending comments? But what's done is done. I, for one, will embrace the change and hope MM can truly buy into his free and clear OWN offensive system.

 

[glimmerman]

That's the fix right there. Get aggressive stability on O-line. When was the last time you saw an O-line up the field looking for someone to pancake?

With Zeke getting a good curbstomp....Tony will want to have some push and holes to chew yards up the field instead of showcasing his speed to the edge.

Hoping it all comes together and MM don’t get pass happy.

 

[RonnieT24]

Even if you like Kellen Moore you have to accept that as the OC by definition he WAS part of the problem with the Cowboys offense. How much blame people put on Dak, Moore, the offensive line, the receivers whoever is up to them but to sit here and act as if a lot of the issues on the offense cannot be traced back to Moore is lunacy. Even if one buys into the narrative that "Dak audibles out of running plays" (which I don't buy) but let's say he does. Whose responsibility is it to make sure that Dak DOESN'T audible out of too many running plays? Whose responsibility is it to send in TWO running plays instead of one pass and one run and let Dak decide? If there are defensive looks that Dak struggles against whose responsibility is it to school him so that he stops struggling against them? Or whose responsibility is it to simply call plays that help make the reads easier. How about more pre-snap motion to force the defense to identify? How about moving the pocket to create a better line of sight? Dak is 6'2" not 6'7". His line of sight is not the same as some of your NBA forward sized QBs. How about more designed QB runs to keep the defense thinking about him? How about some zone reads to really mess with their heads? These are schemes that we KNOW Dak can ball out with. So why not use them more? Why keep calling plays like he's some classic drop back passer. He's not.. nor does he need to be. Russell Wilson isn't. Mahomes isn't. Hell Rodgers isn't. There is a long list of really successful QBs in the league who don't just drop back 3-5-7 steps and sling it. There is no reason Dak can't be one of them. But he was never going to be that with Moore living out his own failed QB fantasies out through him. Like I said.. I wish Moore well.. but it was time for a change in Dallas. and I welcome it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

in his first and only 3 seasons.........and fans couldn't wait to run him out of town. I know 34 year old successful OC's grow on trees, but this is nutty.. Before this season, PFF ranked Moore the 2nd best play caller in the NFL behind Reid in Kansas City, maybe thats a bit high, but is it? Hes 34 and has a lot of growing and learning to do, while already having a top 10 offense in every one his first 3 years on the job.. And fans literally couldn't get rid of him fast enough.

Reading the Chargers forums, they are all stoked about Moore coming over, and they should be. How many years will it take for Moore working with Herbert, a Legit Franchise QB, to get the Chargers offense playing like a top 5 unit in the NFL? 1 or 2 seasons?

I guess its easier to blame a coach than it is to blame a QB that you're stuck with. Running Moore out of town was not a logical move. Only a team like the Cowboys would fire a young talented OC with the offensive rankings he designed and called. Coaching for 3 years..3 straight top 10 rankings.. "Yeah, He Sucks!, Fire Him!!... We need a Real OC for Dak."

Lets see what Big Mike can do, which is a pretty nice consolation prize imo. If Dak leads the NFL in picks again, I'm sure it will be Mikes fault too.

There is no fault for anything. The Niners were the better team. 2 years in a row. Both years were predictable with losses to the Niners.

Now if we could get lucky playing the Giants in the 2nd round and then have the Niners starting QB go down in the first quarter we might have better success like the Beagles.

And now they play a broken down Mahomes in the SB. LOL

Easiest SB path I have EVER seen.

 

[charron]

Moore still needs help, he wasnt getting any here. Having said that they will have a top 5 passing attack very soon. He will need help with run schemes but with a good starting rb they will be ok.

 

[Walker]

Those who say "its racked up on garbage teams" well everyone else plays garbage teams lol, they aren't playing playoff teams every week. With that being said we needed a change. He wanted out of here to because were ruining his coaching career and needed to find a place where they are more appreciative.

 

[Direwolf63]

It's going to be great entertainment when all those wanting Moore out will continue bellowing about play calling going forward. Meanwhile Moore thrives with the Chargers.

Thus is simply a repeat of when Sean Payton was run out of town because of his supposedly incompetent playcalling

 

[Risen Star]

I'd "change the talent" if I could. Although I do think there were some systemic problems. And no, I don't normally make a change just because. There HAS to be a reason for it. This reason? Mostly:Too many people were just not happy enough. I don;t know the reasons for it, but when a HC says "I'm not involved in the offense" (or something of the sort)....that is concerning.

We could go on and on back and forth. Maybe come up with some more condescending comments? But what's done is done. I, for one, will embrace the change and hope MM can truly buy into his free and clear OWN offensive system.

"We should change because people weren't happy."

Those people being fans. Who know absolutely nothing.

I embrace the change too. I couldn't stand another moment of having the 2nd most productive offense with marginal talent.

Extra credit for making up a quote (or something of the sort) from our head coach. Here I have one from Kellen Moore....

"Mike (McCarthy) is very much involved in our offense." (or something of the sort)

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

"We should change because people weren't happy."

Those people being fans. Who know absolutely nothing.

I embrace the change too. I couldn't stand another moment of having the 2nd most productive offense with marginal talent.

Extra credit for making up a quote (or something of the sort) from our head coach. Here I have one from Kellen Moore....

"Mike (McCarthy) is very much involved in our offense." (or something of the sort)

I get the feeling you aren't too happy with me.

 

[Risen Star]

I get the feeling you aren't too happy with me.

No, just exposing that you just want change for change sake. Regardless if it makes any sense or not.

 

[Direwolf63]

Going to go out on a limb and say Moore is pretty happy with his situation right now.

The clown show is over for him. Now he can get serious.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

No, just exposing that you just want change for change sake. Regardless if it makes any sense or not.

I think the two coaches not being happy....is reason enough. If they were, we'd still have him.

And yes...it might be somewhat true that i am not as impressed with the stats as you.
I also accept the reality of it. Km and mm moving on, and so am i.

 

[Risen Star]

I think the two coaches not being happy....is reason enough. If they were, we'd still have him.

And yes...it might be somewhat true that i am not as impressed with the stats as you.
I also accept the reality of it. Km and mm moving on, and so am i.

So in his infinite wisdom, unless I think it was good move I'm not accepting the reality of the move being made.

It's almost like he's a fan talking in circles to excuse the fact he wanted change regardless of what that change was.

There's nothing impressive with taking this kind of talent and producing the 2nd best offense with it over a 4 year period. That coordinator needed to go.

 

[G2]

....and all of that still amounted to the 2nd most productive offense since 2019 behind only the Chiefs.

So on one hand we have actual production. On the other hand we have disgruntled fan thoughts.

Guess which one has validity.

Regular season, maybe.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

So in his infinite wisdom, unless I think it was good move I'm not accepting the reality of the move being made.

It's almost like he's a fan talking in circles to excuse the fact he wanted change regardless of what that change was.

There's nothing impressive with taking this kind of talent and producing the 2nd best offense with it over a 4 year period. That coordinator needed to go.

Okay...you made your point. Ya done?

You can object all ya want. There's nothing impressive about it. Or your condescending attitude either.

 

[Risen Star]

Okay...you made your point. Ya done?

You can object all ya want. There's nothing impressive about it. Or your condescending attitude either.

I agree. There's nothing impressive about taking Dak Prescott and producing the 2nd best offense in the league.

 

[Soth]

The front office had to make this change IMO. Big Mike was hired to get us to the SB not to have good regular season statistics. Jerry forced Big Mike to keep Moore when he was hired 3 years ago. I think Big Mike needs at least one year without Moore to fully implement his own system.

It is possible that Moore is a genius and it was all Dak's fault. But we all know Dak is not going anyway due to his contract so we had to make a change at OC. I disagree with a ton of decisions by Jerry/Stephen but I think they made the right choice here.

 

[Runwildboys]

in his first and only 3 seasons.........and fans couldn't wait to run him out of town. I know 34 year old successful OC's grow on trees, but this is nutty.. Before this season, PFF ranked Moore the 2nd best play caller in the NFL behind Reid in Kansas City, maybe thats a bit high, but is it? Hes 34 and has a lot of growing and learning to do, while already having a top 10 offense in every one his first 3 years on the job.. And fans literally couldn't get rid of him fast enough.

Reading the Chargers forums, they are all stoked about Moore coming over, and they should be. How many years will it take for Moore working with Herbert, a Legit Franchise QB, to get the Chargers offense playing like a top 5 unit in the NFL? 1 or 2 seasons?

I guess its easier to blame a coach than it is to blame a QB that you're stuck with. Running Moore out of town was not a logical move. Only a team like the Cowboys would fire a young talented OC with the offensive rankings he designed and called. Coaching for 3 years..3 straight top 10 rankings.. "Yeah, He Sucks!, Fire Him!!... We need a Real OC for Dak."

Lets see what Big Mike can do, which is a pretty nice consolation prize imo. If Dak leads the NFL in picks again, I'm sure it will be Mikes fault too.

While I feel "overall" Kellen was a very good OC, he, like Dak, was inconsistent, and seemed to lack situational awareness at times.

Will MM (if he truly is going to be calling plays) or the new OC be better? I don't know, but the same old same old is going be the same old same old.

 

[noshame]

I can't wait to watch him and Herbert working together
You'll instantly know how much he was handcuffed here with dak

I'm hitting both training camps this year they're only a few hours apart