Offense better than you think

[nate dizzle]

"W"

And that's great, but describing it as "destroying" or saying that this offense is any better than it really is, is peddling apple pies made out of horse apples.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Destroyed the 23rd and 27th ranked defenses by a combined total of 10 points. We are 25th in scoring offense 27th in yardage. I know we can't blame Dak for any of it but stop acting like this offense is even average when it is struggling to stay off the bottom of the barrel.

Cowboys destroyed those high powered/high scoring teams overall. Understand?

 

[CCBoy]

We had 350 yards and one player had over 200. You can call it an average performance but you can't call it good. Had we lost the game we'd all be complaining about it. But we have put up several other turds this season, and I'm not sure we're out of the woods yet.

Ryan is playing above his MVP season and they possess a definite Pro Bowl receiver-Jones. Beating them isn't significant?

 

[CCBoy]

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/11-19-random-stats.420783/#post-8701894

Offense

Total = 27th
Points = 25th
Passing = 28th
Rushing = 4th

What do the stats from the last 4 games compile to being, as to Dallas passing? 14th now?

 

[nate dizzle]

Cowboys destroyed those high powered/high scoring teams overall. Understand?

Define destroy. I feel I may have a different idea of it than you.

 

[TheSkaven]

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/11-19-random-stats.420783/#post-8701894

Offense

Total = 27th
Points = 25th
Passing = 28th
Rushing = 4th

The Bucs are the #1 passing team in the NFL. The Falcons are #3.

The best correlation between stats and wins/losses isn't passing offense or even total offense. It's the most obvious statistic - Points Per Game vs Points Against. Incidentally, the Cowboys are the only team in the NFC East who have more Points Per Game than Points Against.

The biggest margins in the league are the Saints, Chiefs and Rams. I guess it's self-evident, but to win games you need to score more points than your opponents. That statistic has never changed. But winning 27-20 is better than winning 54-50.

 

[Hadenough]

Im happy the Cowboys are winning and I am enjoying the wins! The offense is doing exactly what it needs to do to win and thats limit the penalties and make a few plays in the passing game and run the ball. There is only going to be a problem when they face a very stiff run defense than the ball is put in Daks hand and the offense struggles. The play calling has gotten better and Dak has too but his ceiling is very limited. There is no margin for error and every game is close. The Cowboys are playing about as good as they can play right now while the Falcons and Eagles are struggling and these games are still close. I still maintain that the Cowboys need a QB!

 

[Verdict]

Maybe it’s just frustration because Garrett and/or Dak have clawed their way out of the dumpster, at least temporarily and I get that but I am shocked at this forum the last two days.

Why is there so much hate directed towards our offense after Sunday’s performance?

First let’s break down some numbers...

The Falcons defense, prior to Sunday’s game, was allowing about 28 points a game. We scored 22, even the most pessimistic fan can admit that our offense played good enough for 5 additional points with the Beasley drop and the missed PAT. 27 points puts us on par with what the Falcons typically give up and that number is also in the same ballpark of our 2016 offense.

We were 7/13 on 3rd down which is also a huge improvement. We also did not turn the ball over. Falcons have recorded an interception in 7 of their 9 games before they played us. Obviously we would like to get back to the point where we can trust Dak not to throw interceptions but at this point, we are looking for improvement and 1 over the last 5 games is just that.

Now...I am sure I’ll hear some complaining about check downs and lack of big plays.

I get that...but I also believe the team made a decision to play that way. The only way the Falcons were going to beat us is by throwing the football to their big play receivers. The goal was to control the flow of the game which our offense and especially our defense did well. Duke Johnson and Nick Chubb combined for 7 receptions and 2 scores the week before..once Deion Jones was listed as out, a game plan emphasizing the short passing game seemed like a good option. Even the most brilliant offensive minds would agree to that.

Now I get that there will be a time when we need more than 22 or maybe even 27 points. Most of us thought it would have been against the Falcons. I am making no wild predictions of offensive greatness or fantasy football worthy performances from anyone not named Zeke but that is just not how this offense is designed...maybe you hate it and that’s okay.

My observations from the game were that the offense looked a lot like 2016. The game flowed through Zeke and Dak managed the game. The offense didn’t turn the ball over, concerted 3rd downs and “closed the game” when it came time. The fact is we are a run first team that is playing good defense. This is not an exciting or flashy offense BUT....when they are playing up to their potential and Linehan doesn’t cal the plays like a HS coordinator, they are very efficient and compliment the defense nicely.

Very nice write up. Unfortunately these guys are going to flog you for it.

 

[Verdict]

An antiquated offense like ours can work against mediocre teams like the Eagles or Falcons. Cool.

We go against the Pats, Rams, Chiefs, or Saints... We're gonna get blown out by 20.

This isn't 1993.

A couple three-and-outs and we would quickly be down 14; and at that point, our running game (which is our only hope for scoring points) is rendered obsolete.


Yeah, we scored 22 against the Falcons. Could have scored 27. That means next-to-nothing in the 2018 NFL.

Youa re moving the goal posts again. At one point you would have said good offenses like the Eagles and Falcons. Out defense made them look pretty pedestrian.

We have a nice shiny new defense that can actually win football games. And I'm betting, when Sean Lee comes back we are going to put the player, Lee, over the team's interest and lose a winnable game because of it.

We did it with Dez, and Witten, and now sadly, probably Sean Lee. You can see it coming.

 

[Ken]

An antiquated offense like ours can work against mediocre teams like the Eagles or Falcons. Cool.

We go against the Pats, Rams, Chiefs, or Saints... We're gonna get blown out by 20.

This isn't 1993.

A couple three-and-outs and we would quickly be down 14; and at that point, our running game (which is our only hope for scoring points) is rendered obsolete.


Yeah, we scored 22 against the Falcons. Could have scored 27. That means next-to-nothing in the 2018 NFL.

All of the sudden...the Falcons have a mediocre offense eh?

They call them the "track meet" because they are mediocre.

Rams and Chiefs are winning nothing...fyi.

 

[CCBoy]

Youa re moving the goal posts again. At one point you would have said good offenses like the Eagles and Falcons. Out defense made them look pretty pedestrian.

We have a nice shiny new defense that can actually win football games. And I'm betting, when Sean Lee comes back we are going to put the player, Lee, over the team's interest and lose a winnable game because of it.

We did it with Dez, and Witten, and now sadly, probably Sean Lee. You can see it coming.

I'm not buying the tune: he's day old soup.

 

[Ken]

"W"

Notice there are no defensive numbers lol

I guess these newfangled "fans" only like their madden offense playbooks.

Hopefully they will learn....

 

[DuncanIso]

Dak still can’t throw.

 

[nate dizzle]

Notice there are no defensive numbers lol

I guess these newfangled "fans" only like their madden offense playbooks.

Hopefully they will learn....

Why would we post defensive numbers in a thread where the topic is literally "Offense is better than you think."

 

[Ken]

Ryan is playing above his MVP season and they possess a definite Pro Bowl receiver-Jones. Beating them isn't significant?

Nope. Understand that it is "cool" to bash the Cowboys wins after saying we had no chance the week before.

This way you can never be wrong because they expect everyone to have memories of goldfish like they do.

 

[Ken]

Why would we post defensive numbers in a thread where the topic is literally "Offense is better than you think."

Because it is a team game and the one offensive number...4th in rushing....works synergistically with defense.

I know it is a complicated and antiquated....but it is true.

 

[Ken]

Dak still can’t throw.

Amazing post.

You should post more as you have learned a mantra very well!

 

[nate dizzle]

Because it is a team game and the one offensive number...4th in rushing....works synergistically with defense.

I know it is a complicated and antiquated....but it is true.

The topic was about the offense. The responses were regarding the offense.

Now if you want to talk synergy, yes, the defense is playing great and holding opponents to a low enough total to give our offense a chance to succeed as long as Zeke and our 4th ranked rushing attack can carry the team by putting together 200 yard games.

How many of those games do you think Zeke has in him?

 

[Sydla]

The offense is not better than people think.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

The Bucs are the #1 passing team in the NFL. The Falcons are #3.

The best correlation between stats and wins/losses isn't passing offense or even total offense. It's the most obvious statistic - Points Per Game vs Points Against. Incidentally, the Cowboys are the only team in the NFC East who have more Points Per Game than Points Against.

The biggest margins in the league are the Saints, Chiefs and Rams. I guess it's self-evident, but to win games you need to score more points than your opponents. That statistic has never changed. But winning 27-20 is better than winning 54-50.

I was just displaying the ratings of the offense.


It had NOTHING to do with the defense and let's just be blunt here...if not for the defense this team would be nowhere near .500 at this point.