Offense better than you think

[Stash]

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/11-19-random-stats.420783/#post-8701894

Offense

Total = 27th
Points = 25th
Passing = 28th
Rushing = 4th

There's the truth of it.

 

[Stash]

Notice there are no defensive numbers lol

I guess these newfangled "fans" only like their madden offense playbooks.

Hopefully they will learn....

Why would there be in a thread claiming "the offense is better than you think"?

Maybe the "newfangled fans" actually know what they're talking about? While others want to reach for irrelevant points out of sheer desperation?

 

[Stash]

Because it is a team game and the one offensive number...4th in rushing....works synergistically with defense.

I know it is a complicated and antiquated....but it is true.

Do you also know that it doesn't make "the offense better than you think"? Or do you continue to miss that?

 

[Stash]

I was just displaying the ratings of the offense.


It had NOTHING to do with the defense and let's just be blunt here...if not for the defense this team would be nowhere near .500 at this point.

It's nice to see when someone can handle the truth.

When the quarterback is passing for 200 yards in a league designed for 400 yards and is near the bottom of the league, this offense isn't better than we think, it's worse.

 

[River82]

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/11-19-random-stats.420783/#post-8701894

Offense

Total = 27th
Points = 25th
Passing = 28th
Rushing = 4th

Carolina Offense - Passing = 22nd, Rushing = 7th and they were in the SB a few years back.

Welcome to the world of run first offenses

 

[ItzKelz]

With the way our OL is playing after the coaching change and the addition of Cooper I can see us becoming 24 to 30 point scoring team by the end of the season.

 

[River82]

With the way our OL is playing after the coaching change and the addition of Cooper I can see us becoming 24 to 30 point scoring team by the end of the season.

Yeah, Dak likes receivers who get separation and our receivers have typically not been able to. Dez was great as a physical WR but he never got separation. Once Cooper and Dak get their timing down I can see us scoring a few more points per game

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Maybe it’s just frustration because Garrett and/or Dak have clawed their way out of the dumpster, at least temporarily and I get that but I am shocked at this forum the last two days.

Why is there so much hate directed towards our offense after Sunday’s performance?

First let’s break down some numbers...

The Falcons defense, prior to Sunday’s game, was allowing about 28 points a game. We scored 22, even the most pessimistic fan can admit that our offense played good enough for 5 additional points with the Beasley drop and the missed PAT. 27 points puts us on par with what the Falcons typically give up and that number is also in the same ballpark of our 2016 offense.

We were 7/13 on 3rd down which is also a huge improvement. We also did not turn the ball over. Falcons have recorded an interception in 7 of their 9 games before they played us. Obviously we would like to get back to the point where we can trust Dak not to throw interceptions but at this point, we are looking for improvement and 1 over the last 5 games is just that.

Now...I am sure I’ll hear some complaining about check downs and lack of big plays.

I get that...but I also believe the team made a decision to play that way. The only way the Falcons were going to beat us is by throwing the football to their big play receivers. The goal was to control the flow of the game which our offense and especially our defense did well. Duke Johnson and Nick Chubb combined for 7 receptions and 2 scores the week before..once Deion Jones was listed as out, a game plan emphasizing the short passing game seemed like a good option. Even the most brilliant offensive minds would agree to that.

Now I get that there will be a time when we need more than 22 or maybe even 27 points. Most of us thought it would have been against the Falcons. I am making no wild predictions of offensive greatness or fantasy football worthy performances from anyone not named Zeke but that is just not how this offense is designed...maybe you hate it and that’s okay.

My observations from the game were that the offense looked a lot like 2016. The game flowed through Zeke and Dak managed the game. The offense didn’t turn the ball over, concerted 3rd downs and “closed the game” when it came time. The fact is we are a run first team that is playing good defense. This is not an exciting or flashy offense BUT....when they are playing up to their potential and Linehan doesn’t cal the plays like a HS coordinator, they are very efficient and compliment the defense nicely.

No, it's not. Take away Zeke and how would this offense look?

The passing game is awful. The only thing saving us is a superstar RB.

 

[SoupcanSam]

We had 350 yards and one player had over 200. You can call it an average performance but you can't call it good. Had we lost the game we'd all be complaining about it. But we have put up several other turds this season, and I'm not sure we're out of the woods yet.

We are not out of the woods yet. I am sure there are a few more witches stewing up something in large black kettles in the woods that this team constantly travels through.

 

[northerncowboynation]

Maybe it’s just frustration because Garrett and/or Dak have clawed their way out of the dumpster, at least temporarily and I get that but I am shocked at this forum the last two days.

Why is there so much hate directed towards our offense after Sunday’s performance?

First let’s break down some numbers...

The Falcons defense, prior to Sunday’s game, was allowing about 28 points a game. We scored 22, even the most pessimistic fan can admit that our offense played good enough for 5 additional points with the Beasley drop and the missed PAT. 27 points puts us on par with what the Falcons typically give up and that number is also in the same ballpark of our 2016 offense.

We were 7/13 on 3rd down which is also a huge improvement. We also did not turn the ball over. Falcons have recorded an interception in 7 of their 9 games before they played us. Obviously we would like to get back to the point where we can trust Dak not to throw interceptions but at this point, we are looking for improvement and 1 over the last 5 games is just that.

Now...I am sure I’ll hear some complaining about check downs and lack of big plays.

I get that...but I also believe the team made a decision to play that way. The only way the Falcons were going to beat us is by throwing the football to their big play receivers. The goal was to control the flow of the game which our offense and especially our defense did well. Duke Johnson and Nick Chubb combined for 7 receptions and 2 scores the week before..once Deion Jones was listed as out, a game plan emphasizing the short passing game seemed like a good option. Even the most brilliant offensive minds would agree to that.

Now I get that there will be a time when we need more than 22 or maybe even 27 points. Most of us thought it would have been against the Falcons. I am making no wild predictions of offensive greatness or fantasy football worthy performances from anyone not named Zeke but that is just not how this offense is designed...maybe you hate it and that’s okay.

My observations from the game were that the offense looked a lot like 2016. The game flowed through Zeke and Dak managed the game. The offense didn’t turn the ball over, concerted 3rd downs and “closed the game” when it came time. The fact is we are a run first team that is playing good defense. This is not an exciting or flashy offense BUT....when they are playing up to their potential and Linehan doesn’t cal the plays like a HS coordinator, they are very efficient and compliment the defense nicely.

There are fans who will always complain about something/anything/everything. To coin a phrase, they are the "negative Nancy's". I don't know this to be a fact but I suspect they lead their entire lives being negative. There probably is a good reason for that.

Is this a team destined to play in the SB, no. Is this a team that could make the playoffs, yes. Does that piss some fans off, yes. Why? Because many have a hate on for Garrett/Dak/pick your poison and a play off appearance isn't good enough. On top of that it could save Garretts/Dak's/pick your poisons job and another year of negativity.

When I look around the NFL, 80% of the teams are struggling with one facet of their game or another and aren't consistent. 23 teams are 1-2 games over .500 or worse. The two juggernauts in the game last night scored104 points. If we were one of those teams playing last night, the "negative Nancy's" would be whining about our defense giving up so many points and defenses winning SB's.

I don't come on here much now and for good reason. I like the Dallas Cowboys football team and enjoy the game. The negativity on here takes a good experience for me and makes it bitter. C'est la vie!

 

[ItzKelz]

Yeah, Dak likes receivers who get separation and our receivers have typically not been able to. Dez was great as a physical WR but he never got separation. Once Cooper and Dak get their timing down I can see us scoring a few more points per game

Honestly I put more on the OL getting back to true zone blocking which is something that Zeke thrives in. Yes Cooper being a true threat and opening things up for the other WRs is crucial but our team was built around our OL and now we are playing to their strengths. We can get back to scoring how we did in 2016 with the way they are blocking in the scheme.

 

[foofighters]

Maybe it’s just frustration because Garrett and/or Dak have clawed their way out of the dumpster, at least temporarily and I get that but I am shocked at this forum the last two days.

Why is there so much hate directed towards our offense after Sunday’s performance?

First let’s break down some numbers...

The Falcons defense, prior to Sunday’s game, was allowing about 28 points a game. We scored 22, even the most pessimistic fan can admit that our offense played good enough for 5 additional points with the Beasley drop and the missed PAT. 27 points puts us on par with what the Falcons typically give up and that number is also in the same ballpark of our 2016 offense.

We were 7/13 on 3rd down which is also a huge improvement. We also did not turn the ball over. Falcons have recorded an interception in 7 of their 9 games before they played us. Obviously we would like to get back to the point where we can trust Dak not to throw interceptions but at this point, we are looking for improvement and 1 over the last 5 games is just that.

Now...I am sure I’ll hear some complaining about check downs and lack of big plays.

I get that...but I also believe the team made a decision to play that way. The only way the Falcons were going to beat us is by throwing the football to their big play receivers. The goal was to control the flow of the game which our offense and especially our defense did well. Duke Johnson and Nick Chubb combined for 7 receptions and 2 scores the week before..once Deion Jones was listed as out, a game plan emphasizing the short passing game seemed like a good option. Even the most brilliant offensive minds would agree to that.

Now I get that there will be a time when we need more than 22 or maybe even 27 points. Most of us thought it would have been against the Falcons. I am making no wild predictions of offensive greatness or fantasy football worthy performances from anyone not named Zeke but that is just not how this offense is designed...maybe you hate it and that’s okay.

My observations from the game were that the offense looked a lot like 2016. The game flowed through Zeke and Dak managed the game. The offense didn’t turn the ball over, concerted 3rd downs and “closed the game” when it came time. The fact is we are a run first team that is playing good defense. This is not an exciting or flashy offense BUT....when they are playing up to their potential and Linehan doesn’t cal the plays like a HS coordinator, they are very efficient and compliment the defense nicely.

They have more turds than strong offensive performances. We are going to need more good games before I starting thinking it's a pattern. Dak still worries me at times. At times, he looks lost.

 

[irishline]

Lol. Such pathetic comments on several threads. For the past 2 weeks, y'all were saying Garrett, Dak and this team could not beat such high powered teams like the iggles and falcons. Now that the Cowboys destroyed them, here comes more "let's see what they do in 10 days against the Saints?"

Always excuses, instead of accepting, crediting, jumping on board and supporting.

I didn't realize that beating two teams by a combined 10 points on a last drive touchdown and field goal were considered destroying teams. duly noted.

It is this kind of thinking that allows us to be a perennial .500 team. I am glad we won but lets tap the break a little bit. We squeaked out last second wins against two teams with a combined 8-12 record. (And for the record I was not saying anything about whether or not we could/would/should beat the Eagles or Falcons - before you accuse me of such).

 

[FLCowboyFan]

An antiquated offense like ours can work against mediocre teams like the Eagles or Falcons. Cool.

We go against the Pats, Rams, Chiefs, or Saints... We're gonna get blown out by 20.

This isn't 1993.

A couple three-and-outs and we would quickly be down 14; and at that point, our running game (which is our only hope for scoring points) is rendered obsolete.


Yeah, we scored 22 against the Falcons. Could have scored 27. That means next-to-nothing in the 2018 NFL.

The problem here is the design. Our offense isn't designed to keep up with those teams. Even if we run our offense perfectly we would only get to 35 points. Last night there was over 100 points scored. We couldn't keep up with that type of scoring. We need to redesign our scheme.

 

[Stash]

Honestly I put more on the OL getting back to true zone blocking which is something that Zeke thrives in. Yes Cooper being a true threat and opening things up for the other WRs is crucial but our team was built around our OL and now we are playing to their strengths. We can get back to scoring how we did in 2016 with the way they are blocking in the scheme.

The change in scheme as well as the lineup change at left guard have certainly looked like improvement these past few weeks. And thank goodness for that because the passing game is still grossly sub-standard.

Washington will provide a real test for improvement on Thursday. They shut down Zeke and the running game completely the last time the two teams met. That's needs to be much improved if the Cowboys are to win this game.

 

[robjay04]

The problem here is the design. Our offense isn't designed to keep up with those teams. Even if we run our offense perfectly we would only get to 35 points. Last night there was over 100 points scored. We couldn't keep up with that type of scoring. We need to redesign our scheme.

Teams won’t score that many points on us if our offense plays the perfect game.

Last night there were 3 defensive touchdowns, 5 or 6 turnovers?

If we string together long drives, convert on 3rd downs, don’t turn the ball over, nobody can beat us if we score 35.

 

[CCBoy]

It's nice to see when someone can handle the truth.

When the quarterback is passing for 200 yards in a league designed for 400 yards and is near the bottom of the league, this offense isn't better than we think, it's worse.

Have you seen a kid shoot up 4-6 inches and about 30 pounds in a single year? Maybe allowing the 'facts' to speak means not categorizing to miss them...

 

[BigD_95]

Not 1 completion over 10 yards? Thats bad in todays NFL. I'm sorry.

 

[robjay04]

They have more turds than strong offensive performances. We are going to need more good games before I starting thinking it's a pattern. Dak still worries me at times. At times, he looks lost.

That’s very fair.

I agree though I am liking the recent trend.

This thread is more about all of the doom and gloom regarding the offensive performance against the Falcons.

 

[CCBoy]

Teams won’t score that many points on us if our offense plays the perfect game.

Last night there were 3 defensive touchdowns, 5 or 6 turnovers?

If we string together long drives, convert on 3rd downs, don’t turn the ball over, nobody can beat us if we score 35.

The first to 35 almost always wins the game...