Offensive Holding Penalty Facts- Cowboys vs Opponents

[Bobhaze]

I know many Cowboys fans think our opponents get away with holding way too much- especially on Micah Parsons. I mostly agree. So I found this NFL penalties website that logs each holding penalty called for each team at what point in the game.

According to the research I did there, the Cowboys have been called for offensive holding 8 times (11 but three were declined) and our opponents have been called 9 (10 but 1 was declined) times. Even though we may think it’s been “unfair”, our opponents have been flagged more than we have for offensive holding.

Here’s the link.
https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/offensive-holding?year=2022&view=log

As a side note, the NFL team with most holding penalties is the Seattle Seahawks with 12. As I mentioned earlier, the Cowboys have had 8.

Edit: Thanks to @doomsday9084 for the updated info.

 

[Streifenkarl]

Go into any team's fan forum and you'll find the same complaints and conspiracy theories about the refs. It's ridiculous.

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

The season is young my friend.

 

[Bobhaze]

Go into any team's fan forum and you'll find the same complaints and conspiracy theories about the refs. It's ridiculous.

So true. Reading the game day feed each week is hilarious. If we get called for holding it’s a “horrible call” and if our opponent is not called for holding on every single play, it’s an “NFL league wide conspiracy”, lol.

I do think Parsons gets held more than is called but that happens to every great defensive player. Watch Aaron Donald play. He gets held a ton. When Bob Lily, Randy White, Charles Haley and DeMarcus Ware were playing, they got held all the time. Great players force that.

 

[EST_1986]

Go into any team's fan forum and you'll find the same complaints and conspiracy theories about the refs. It's ridiculous.

The ridiculous part is the refs are so bad that every team has conspiracy theories.

 

[DogFace]

I get the point and don’t get me wrong. This year I’ve seen far fewer weirdly bad calls/missed calls than in years past and I’m thrilled large gains or scores aren’t routinely called back.

But to just look at the holds and say we are doing better ignores how many holds are actually being called vs how many are committed.

If team A egregiously holds 10 times a game and is called for 3 and team B egregiously holds 5 times a game and is called for 3 that’s not equal. Imo.

 

[MarcusRock]

Start with the fact that most fans don't even know the holding rule to have an informed whine and you'll get the reason for all the sound and fury, signifying nothing. I mean, Parsons himself didn't know that a hold away from the point of attack was an exception in the holding rules. So if he whines uninformed that still fans a torrent of flames for fan whining.

 

[JBS]

I’m not a blame the refs guy

but our opponents don’t have Parsons

 

[Bobhaze]

Start with the fact that most fans don't even know the holding rule to have an informed whine and you'll get the reason for all the sound and fury, signifying nothing. I mean, Parsons himself didn't know that a hold away from the point of attack was an exception in the holding rules. So if he whines uninformed that still fans a torrent of flames for fan whining.

Truth. You should clarify for everyone the nuances of the actual holding rule. A fan’s eye test isn’t enough.

 

[Streifenkarl]

The ridiculous part is the refs are so bad that every team has conspiracy theories.

Refs are humans too.

I agree to an extent that they need to improve. Especially video reviews need to be more accurate. But all in all bad ref decisions are not a Cowboys specific problem.

 

[EST_1986]

Refs are humans too.

I agree to an extent that they need to improve. Especially video reviews need to be more accurate. But all in all bad ref decisions are not a Cowboys specific problem.

Theyre also corruptible which some of the calls/non calls seems awfully corrupt and the league refuses to implement simple things like a sky judge to clean up the mess.

 

[shabazz]

I know many Cowboys fans think our opponents get away with holding way too much- especially on Micah Parsons. I mostly agree. So I found this NFL penalties website that logs each holding penalty called for each team at what point in the game.

According to the research I did there, the Cowboys have been called for offensive holding 6 times and our opponents have been called 9 times. Even though we may think it’s been “unfair”, our opponents have been flagged more than we have for offensive holding.

Here’s the link.
https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/offensive-holding?year=2022&view=log

As a side note, the NFL team with most holding penalties is the Seattle Seahawks with 12. As I mentioned earlier, the Cowboys have had 6.

All those other teams we’ve played don’t have a Micah Parsons that needs to be held.

additionally, we all know that it’s not the pure number of penalties called more than WHEN they are called.

point in case: the weak “roughing the passer” alias ( touching the quarterback) call on what should have been our interception. It was negated by this lame call and resulted in a 7 point swing.

All that being said, the refs haven’t cost us any games so far but the officiating is systemically bad and even the sports media at large have said it’s getting worse every year. It’s not just the fans saying it. Multiple Announcers calling games, are saying it and I don’t recall them being accused as being conspiracy theorists.

 

[Bobhaze]

All those other teams we’ve played don’t have a Micah Parsons that needs to be held.

additionally, we all know that it’s not the pure number of penalties called more than WHEN they are called.

point in case: the weak “roughing the passer” alias ( touching the quarterback) call on what should have been our interception. It was negated by this lame call and resulted in a 7 point swing.

All that being said, the refs haven’t cost us any games so far but the officiating is systemically bad and even the sports media at large have said it’s getting worse every year. It’s not just the fans saying it. Multiple Announcers calling games, are saying it and I don’t recall them being accused as being conspiracy theorists.

I agree that the refereeing is bad across the board. The refs are equal opportunity in blowing calls- but not in on some conspiracy against us. The NFL needs its officiating to improve. Frankly I would rather see less penalties called than more. The worst part of an NFL game is having the guys in stripes be the stars of the game.

 

[MarcusRock]

Truth. You should clarify for everyone the nuances of the actual holding rule. A fan’s eye test isn’t enough.

Oh, the nuances of the rule are many. The rule itself is super long. That's why I have sympathy for the refs because they have to watch for a lot and there's no way they're going to get it right every time when the call itself is a judgment call. What can be posted though are the holding rules exceptions. That's the thing that most fans have no idea about when they think they see a hold but they actually haven't.

 

[doomsday9084]

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, holding calls for:
Arizona 16
Atlanta 10
Baltimore 9
Buffalo 6
Carolina 15
etc.

League average 12

I'm counting Dallas as having 10.

So, Dallas has had 2 less holding calls for it than the league average but wait, Dallas has 95 pressures compared to the league median of 62. If that's linear, Dallas should have 50% more holding calls than the league average or 18.

Basically, just spitballing this Dallas has got screwed out of 8 holding calls compared to league statistical averages.

I would say yeah they have.

 

[Bobhaze]

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, holding calls for:
Arizona 16
Atlanta 10
Baltimore 9
Buffalo 6
Carolina 15
etc.

League average 12

I'm counting Dallas as having 10.

So, Dallas has had 2 less holding calls for it than the league average but wait, Dallas has 95 pressures compared to the league median of 62. If that's linear, Dallas should have 50% more holding calls than the league average or 18.

Basically, just spitballing this Dallas has got screwed out of 8 holding calls compared to league statistical averages.

I would say yeah they have.

Dallas has had 6 accepted holding penalties called against it. Not 10.
https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html

 

[JayFord]

officals dont call holding unless its blatant and it has to be consistantly blatant

and even then they sometimes miss it

out of all 4 sports i watch (Baseball, Hockey, Basketball and Football) football by far has the worst officiating and basketball is a close second

people would be more forgiving of refs if the NFL actually held them accountable and giving a ref grade or them not reffing the big game isnt enough when the majority if refs are bad

 

[doomsday9084]

Dallas has had 6 accepted holding penalties called against it. Not 10.
https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html

I have Dallas as 11 called against them and 10 as for them (ie Dallas benefited). Two were special teams and 3 were declined so I'm guessing that's how you got 6 but I'm not sure that's a fair read on it.

I'll try to cut and paste:

Against Dallas
Dallas Detroit 10/23/22 Ty.Smith OL Adrian Hill 7 4 06:04 1 10 10 No No Yes Offense
Dallas LA Rams 10/09/22 Ty.Smith OL Bill Vinovich 5 1 02:18 3 5 0 Yes No No Offense
Dallas LA Rams 10/09/22 Ty.Smith OL Bill Vinovich 5 2 05:22 2 6 10 No No No Offense
Dallas LA Rams 10/09/22 P.Hendershot TE Bill Vinovich 5 3 01:35 3 1 7 No No No Offense
Dallas N.Y. Giants 09/26/22 M.Farniok OL Land Clark 3 1 13:17 2 8 10 No No No Offense
Dallas N.Y. Giants 09/26/22 Ty.Smith OL Land Clark 3 1 02:17 3 8 0 Yes No No Offense
Dallas N.Y. Giants 09/26/22 P.Hendershot TE Land Clark 3 2 06:41 2 5 10 No No No Offense
Dallas Philadelphia 10/16/22 K.Joseph DB John Hussey 6 3 06:59 4 19 7 No No No Special Teams
Dallas Tampa Bay 09/11/22 R.Dowdle RB Ron Torbert 1 1 01:06 0 0 10 No No Yes Special Teams
Dallas Tampa Bay 09/11/22 T.Steele OL Ron Torbert 1 4 15:00 2 6 10 No No Yes Offense
Dallas Washington 10/02/22 D.Schultz TE Shawn Smith 4 4 11:56 2 13 0 Yes No Yes Offense

Benefit Dallas
Chicago Dallas 10/30/22 C.Kmet TE Brad Rogers 8 3 05:00 1 10 10 No No No Offense
Chicago Dallas 10/30/22 B.Jones OL Brad Rogers 8 3 00:52 1 10 10 No No No Offense
Detroit Dallas 10/23/22 E.Brown OL Adrian Hill 7 2 09:22 3 4 10 No No No Offense
Detroit Dallas 10/23/22 T.Decker OL Adrian Hill 7 3 02:23 2 2 10 No No No Offense
Detroit Dallas 10/23/22 E.Brown OL Adrian Hill 7 3 01:18 3 3 10 No No No Offense
LA Rams Dallas 10/09/22 B.Skowronek WR Bill Vinovich 5 3 00:23 2 10 10 No No Yes Offense
LA Rams Dallas 10/09/22 R.Havenstein OL Bill Vinovich 5 4 04:10 2 4 10 No No Yes Offense
N.Y. Giants Dallas 09/26/22 B.Bredeson OL Land Clark 3 4 03:52 3 10 0 Yes No Yes Offense
Washington Dallas 10/02/22 N.Martin OL Shawn Smith 4 1 04:18 2 6 10 No No No Offense
Washington Dallas 10/02/22 S.Charles OL Shawn Smith 4 3 08:53 2 11 10 No No No Offense

 

[aikemirv]

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, holding calls for:
Arizona 16
Atlanta 10
Baltimore 9
Buffalo 6
Carolina 15
etc.

League average 12

I'm counting Dallas as having 10.

So, Dallas has had 2 less holding calls for it than the league average but wait, Dallas has 95 pressures compared to the league median of 62. If that's linear, Dallas should have 50% more holding calls than the league average or 18.

Basically, just spitballing this Dallas has got screwed out of 8 holding calls compared to league statistical averages.

I would say yeah they have.

Yep, those are the facts, the other is just numbers

 

[J-man]

All that shows is that other teams aren't facing our pass rushers.