Offensive Holding Penalty Facts- Cowboys vs Opponents

[blueblood70]

I know many Cowboys fans think our opponents get away with holding way too much- especially on Micah Parsons. I mostly agree. So I found this NFL penalties website that logs each holding penalty called for each team at what point in the game.

According to the research I did there, the Cowboys have been called for offensive holding 6 times and our opponents have been called 9 times. Even though we may think it’s been “unfair”, our opponents have been flagged more than we have for offensive holding.

Here’s the link.
https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/offensive-holding?year=2022&view=log

As a side note, the NFL team with most holding penalties is the Seattle Seahawks with 12. As I mentioned earlier, the Cowboys have had 6.

true but still they have missed many many more..its as if they don't want to slow and ugly the game up and simply stop calling flags because our DFront is that good and getting held nearly on every pass rush play. i don't think its conspiracy but the blatant calls must be called. add in that facemask and the bogus roughing and what not the refs allowed the bears to stay in that game and it feels like that game in and game out.

 

[Jake]

I know many Cowboys fans think our opponents get away with holding way too much- especially on Micah Parsons. I mostly agree. So I found this NFL penalties website that logs each holding penalty called for each team at what point in the game.

According to the research I did there, the Cowboys have been called for offensive holding 6 times and our opponents have been called 9 times. Even though we may think it’s been “unfair”, our opponents have been flagged more than we have for offensive holding.

Here’s the link.
https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/offensive-holding?year=2022&view=log

As a side note, the NFL team with most holding penalties is the Seattle Seahawks with 12. As I mentioned earlier, the Cowboys have had 6.

They could probably call holding on every play, but who wants to watch that? I just want the egregious ones called, and for the most part I think they are, but they do miss some.

Players drop passes, too. Human error is part of the game. But somehow when the refs miss a call it's prima facie evidence of a conspiracy.

 

[ESisback]

Luulz, please. You need to find comfort in conspiracies because you can’t handle the reality of the truth.

I bet I know how you voted too.

But sorry to interrupt your conspiracy yarn. Let me help: “tHe leAgue’z oUt 2 g3t uzzzzzz!!!!”

Are you one of those black and white scoffers? I don’t find “comfort” in conspiracies—at all. I just recognize human nature. If people fight over opinions on fan forums, why WOULDN’T they fight over money and livelihoods? I’ve said it many times before—a vast majority of what happens to us is a direct result of our own actions, and no, there IS no late night poker games in smokey warehouses where wealthy fat cats gleefully plot the demise of the common man. But I will say this: Dallas IS the most polarizing team, greed and resentment and malfeasance DO exist, and the possibility that more than mere coincidence exists shouldn’t be completely ignored. If Dallas FANS despise Jerry Jones, what do you imagine wealthy competitors think?

 

[Runwildboys]

Awww, it’s so cute when the conspiracy theorists laughably try to turn the table and act like everyone else is crazy.

So let me help you, it’s not enough to generically point to “human nature.” Go ahead and show the evidence.

The simple-minded always love pointing to the connections but never provide any of the dots aka facts.

Stop with the "simple minded" comments. I don't believe in the conspiracies either, but we could be wrong. Any conspirator worth his salt would leave no strong evidence to use against him. Also, the insults don't help your argument.

 

[TheMightyVanHalen]

I’m not a blame the refs guy

but our opponents don’t have Parsons

No they don't, brother!

 

[Bobhaze]

Let’s keep this thread between the lines. Insult and name calling free.

 

[ESisback]

Let’s keep this thread between the lines. Insult and name calling free.

I’m for that!

 

[TwoDeep3]

I know many Cowboys fans think our opponents get away with holding way too much- especially on Micah Parsons. I mostly agree. So I found this NFL penalties website that logs each holding penalty called for each team at what point in the game.

According to the research I did there, the Cowboys have been called for offensive holding 6 times and our opponents have been called 9 times. Even though we may think it’s been “unfair”, our opponents have been flagged more than we have for offensive holding.

Here’s the link.
https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/offensive-holding?year=2022&view=log

As a side note, the NFL team with most holding penalties is the Seattle Seahawks with 12. As I mentioned earlier, the Cowboys have had 6.

Aside from all the stats and reasonable justifications, when you watch the game, do you see Micah being held and no call?

When Micah is pushing past the offensive lineman, who has his arm across Micah's chest, while holding the shoulder pad and jersey on the opposite side, like a seatbelt, is that a foul? Now add in the lack of call on a play just like this in the Bears game where the offensive lineman had his other hand holding the jersey behind the other shoulder pad. Clearly that alone made it a hold. But the premiere edge rusher in the league doesn't get eyes on by the refs to assure his skill set is not suppressed by a clear violation of the rules if the ref would just pull his hankie.

Is that, or is that not holding?

I am not saying he is held on every play. But I see this exact example twice in every game, and no call.

When was the last time you saw a flag thrown on the guy trying to block Micah?

If Micah is in a position where the offensive lineman has to reach across and grab jersey, the lineman has lost that struggle. He is impeding the defender at that point in a hold which violates the rules.

I do not accept you can't call a penalty on every play. If the rules state it is a hold, then call it. The other team will stop holding or get penalized out of the game.

These lack of calls influence the game's outcome.

 

[blueblood70]

Aside from all the stats and reasonable justifications, when you watch the game, do you see Micah being held and no call?

When Micah is pushing past the offensive lineman, who has his arm across Micah's chest, while holding the shoulder pad and jersey on the opposite side, like a seatbelt, is that a foul? Now add in the lack of call on a play just like this in the Bears game where the offensive lineman had his other hand holding the jersey behind the other shoulder pad. Clearly that alone made it a hold. But the premiere edge rusher in the league doesn't get eyes on by the refs to assure his skill set is not suppressed by a clear violation of the rules if the ref would just pull his hankie.

Is that, or is that not holding?

I am not saying he is held on every play. But I see this exact example twice in every game, and no call.

When was the last time you saw a flag thrown on the guy trying to block Micah?

If Micah is in a position where the offensive lineman has to reach across and grab jersey, the lineman has lost that struggle. He is impeding the defender at that point in a hold which violates the rules.

I do not accept you can't call a penalty on every play. If the rules state it is a hold, then call it. The other team will stop holding or get penalized out of the game.

These lack of calls influence the game's outcome.

 

[Chuck 54]

I know many Cowboys fans think our opponents get away with holding way too much- especially on Micah Parsons. I mostly agree. So I found this NFL penalties website that logs each holding penalty called for each team at what point in the game.

According to the research I did there, the Cowboys have been called for offensive holding 6 times and our opponents have been called 9 times. Even though we may think it’s been “unfair”, our opponents have been flagged more than we have for offensive holding.

Here’s the link.
https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/offensive-holding?year=2022&view=log

As a side note, the NFL team with most holding penalties is the Seattle Seahawks with 12. As I mentioned earlier, the Cowboys have had 6.

When you have one of the best pass rushing groups in the league, you should be getting more holding penalties. We haven’t faced a great pass rush imo.

 

[75boyz]

When I first saw this thread I thought of a few years back when the Dallas defensive line went like 5 or 6 games consecutive without getting an opponent holding call against them.

To have Parsons on the team is an advantage. The refs gotta at least keep it fair.
Like the NBA when they seem to intentionally miss a call on one team but maybe make up for it by letting that same call slide later against the other team.
The infamous no call.

It happens to other teams best pass rushers and I mostly end up agreeing with MarcusRock here at CZ who will tell you Dallas gets no worse calls than other teams.

Just maybe certain officiating could be subject to replay but not at the expense of taking forever to decide it on replay.

jmo

 

[Bobhaze]

I have Dallas as 11 called against them and 10 as for them (ie Dallas benefited). Two were special teams and 3 were declined so I'm guessing that's how you got 6 but I'm not sure that's a fair read on it.

I'll try to cut and paste:

Against Dallas
Dallas Detroit 10/23/22 Ty.Smith OL Adrian Hill 7 4 06:04 1 10 10 No No Yes Offense
Dallas LA Rams 10/09/22 Ty.Smith OL Bill Vinovich 5 1 02:18 3 5 0 Yes No No Offense
Dallas LA Rams 10/09/22 Ty.Smith OL Bill Vinovich 5 2 05:22 2 6 10 No No No Offense
Dallas LA Rams 10/09/22 P.Hendershot TE Bill Vinovich 5 3 01:35 3 1 7 No No No Offense
Dallas N.Y. Giants 09/26/22 M.Farniok OL Land Clark 3 1 13:17 2 8 10 No No No Offense
Dallas N.Y. Giants 09/26/22 Ty.Smith OL Land Clark 3 1 02:17 3 8 0 Yes No No Offense
Dallas N.Y. Giants 09/26/22 P.Hendershot TE Land Clark 3 2 06:41 2 5 10 No No No Offense
Dallas Philadelphia 10/16/22 K.Joseph DB John Hussey 6 3 06:59 4 19 7 No No No Special Teams
Dallas Tampa Bay 09/11/22 R.Dowdle RB Ron Torbert 1 1 01:06 0 0 10 No No Yes Special Teams
Dallas Tampa Bay 09/11/22 T.Steele OL Ron Torbert 1 4 15:00 2 6 10 No No Yes Offense
Dallas Washington 10/02/22 D.Schultz TE Shawn Smith 4 4 11:56 2 13 0 Yes No Yes Offense

Benefit Dallas
Chicago Dallas 10/30/22 C.Kmet TE Brad Rogers 8 3 05:00 1 10 10 No No No Offense
Chicago Dallas 10/30/22 B.Jones OL Brad Rogers 8 3 00:52 1 10 10 No No No Offense
Detroit Dallas 10/23/22 E.Brown OL Adrian Hill 7 2 09:22 3 4 10 No No No Offense
Detroit Dallas 10/23/22 T.Decker OL Adrian Hill 7 3 02:23 2 2 10 No No No Offense
Detroit Dallas 10/23/22 E.Brown OL Adrian Hill 7 3 01:18 3 3 10 No No No Offense
LA Rams Dallas 10/09/22 B.Skowronek WR Bill Vinovich 5 3 00:23 2 10 10 No No Yes Offense
LA Rams Dallas 10/09/22 R.Havenstein OL Bill Vinovich 5 4 04:10 2 4 10 No No Yes Offense
N.Y. Giants Dallas 09/26/22 B.Bredeson OL Land Clark 3 4 03:52 3 10 0 Yes No Yes Offense
Washington Dallas 10/02/22 N.Martin OL Shawn Smith 4 1 04:18 2 6 10 No No No Offense
Washington Dallas 10/02/22 S.Charles OL Shawn Smith 4 3 08:53 2 11 10 No No No Offense

Thanks for doing that work. I double and tripled checked what I had from NFL penalties.com. Dallas has had 11 holding penalties called but 3 have been declined, making the total 8, not 6 as I had originally counted. My mistake. The number against our opponents is 9 as I had counted earlier, 10 including the one that was declined.

Here’s the link to that info: https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/offensive-holding?year=2022&view=team

 

[Fmart322]

Could imagine Phil Pozderac's score?

 

[Blackrain]

While also trying to measure chop blocks, QB's arm going forward, possession, forward progress, number of steps a receiver took, was the knee down, etc. Not an easy job.

In my opinion this is what replay should be for in today's age with all the technology there is no reason why they can't do a better job of officiating.

We incorporate the technology into every other aspect of our lives to the absolute maximum there should be no reason why they don't do it here.

The only thing that makes sense is that at certain times games need to be manipulated by the officials to keep the viewing audience watching.

It's not a conspiracy theory it's a marketing tool for the entertainment industry which is what football really is.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

They could probably call holding on every play, but who wants to watch that? I just want the egregious ones called, and for the most part I think they are, but they do miss some.

Players drop passes, too. Human error is part of the game. But somehow when the refs miss a call it's prima facie evidence of a conspiracy.

well when Noah Brown is literally bear hugged right in front of the ref and no flag is thrown, one has to wonder why. No one is claiming that they should call a hold on all plays but damn, the opponents should have more than we do given our pass rush. Furthermore, ours always seem to come at lovely inopportune times like after a long pass or something of the sort.

 

[Blackrain]

At this point in all honesty somebody could make a full-blown highlight film of all the no call holding on Micah.

It's become absolutely ridiculous watching him with a giant defender behind him bending him back in a chokehold and there's no call.

Lately it's become so blatantly obvious that everyone is talking about it from the casual fan to the announcers in the booth up through all the talking heads on television.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I know many Cowboys fans think our opponents get away with holding way too much- especially on Micah Parsons. I mostly agree. So I found this NFL penalties website that logs each holding penalty called for each team at what point in the game.

According to the research I did there, the Cowboys have been called for offensive holding 8 times (11 but three were declined) and our opponents have been called 9 (10 but 1 was declined) times. Even though we may think it’s been “unfair”, our opponents have been flagged more than we have for offensive holding.

Here’s the link.
https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/offensive-holding?year=2022&view=log

As a side note, the NFL team with most holding penalties is the Seattle Seahawks with 12. As I mentioned earlier, the Cowboys have had 8.

Edit: Thanks to @doomsday9084 for the updated info.[/QUOTE

These stats still don't justify why Parson and others on the defense don't get called for these obvious holding penalties. Refs need to do their job in calling holding penalties that happen right in front of them.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, holding calls for:
Arizona 16
Atlanta 10
Baltimore 9
Buffalo 6
Carolina 15
etc.

League average 12

I'm counting Dallas as having 10.

So, Dallas has had 2 less holding calls for it than the league average but wait, Dallas has 95 pressures compared to the league median of 62. If that's linear, Dallas should have 50% more holding calls than the league average or 18.

Basically, just spitballing this Dallas has got screwed out of 8 holding calls compared to league statistical averages.

I would say yeah they have.

That number 8 is a very low and should be higher. Refs should not be affecting the game. But in this case they are. We should have more sacks than what is given to us because the refs are failing to call penalties on these holds.

 

[Blackrain]

It's hysterical whenever they want you to see they've made a great call They zero in on it and blow it up as big as a house like showing the shoe touching the edge of the line in the Bears game.

But when they make a horse spit call like roughing the passer you get some far distant view from the back of the player that did it and you can just see where his forearm goes down and hits the quarterback in the chest not the face..

No ultra close up of that call because it was a bad call used to help keep the game close so as not to lose viewers.

The league doesn't want to lose money because people lose interest in blow out games on national television and turn it off.

There's no conspiracy theory it's all about not losing money

 

[MarcusRock]

If Dallas FANS despise Jerry Jones, what do you imagine wealthy competitors think?

They like that because if his team's fans hate him it means he's sucking at his football job giving their franchises the opportunity to step into the limelight as winners if they do well (and make more money). Why would they ever want Jerry replaced? Lol.