Offensive Holding Penalty Facts- Cowboys vs Opponents

terra

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officals dont call holding unless its blatant and it has to be consistantly blatant

and even then they sometimes miss it

out of all 4 sports i watch (Baseball, Hockey, Basketball and Football) football by far has the worst officiating and basketball is a close second

people would be more forgiving of refs if the NFL actually held them accountable and giving a ref grade or them not reffing the big game isnt enough when the majority if refs are bad
and of course we are the only ones with part time refs to begin with. Officiating has gotten worse; now part of that is on the officials themselves for simply not being good enough; part of that is on the idiotic competition committee and the other morons constantly tweaking rules that should be left alone. But when game after game shows our guys being TACKLED- not held; not tied up but TACKLED and not getting called then there are fundamental problems that should be addressed. When you see the other blatant blown calls or flat out missed calls, it is no wonder that EVERY TEAMS FANS think officiating stinks.

When 32 people in a row tell you that you are drunk, it is time to borrow a quarter and lay down in the gutter.
 

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I was watching the Giants on red zone and Thibodeaux was getting held basically every time he rushed.
 

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Actually, the holding rule isn't as long as I remember so here it is in full, complete with the little known exceptions in the Blocking Notes at the end.

RULE 12
ARTICLE 3. ILLEGAL BLOCK BY OFFENSIVE PLAYER. It is a foul if an offensive blocker:
(a) Thrusts his hands forward above the frame of an opponent to forcibly contact him on the head, neck, or face; or

Note: Contact in close-line play is not a foul, unless it is direct and forcible, or prolonged.
Penalty: For illegal use of hands by the offense: Loss of 10 yards.

(b) Blocks an opponent (from behind) in the back above the opponent’s waist, or uses his hands or arms to push an opponent

from behind in a manner that affects his movement, except in close-line play.
Note: The prohibition also applies to a player of the kicking team while the ball is in flight during a free kick or scrimmage kick.

The use of hands on the back is not a foul when:
(1) a player is making a personal attempt to recover a loose ball;
(2) the opponent turns away from the blocker when contact is imminent;
(3) both of the blocker’s hands are on the opponent’s side. (If either hand is on the back, it is a foul).
Penalty: For an illegal block in the back above the waist by the offense: Loss of 10 yards.

(c) Uses his hands or arms to materially restrict or alter the defender’s path or angle of pursuit. It is a foul regardless of whether

the blocker’s hands are inside or outside the frame of the defender’s body. Material restrictions include but are not limited to:
(1) grabbing or tackling an opponent;
(2) hooking, jerking, twisting, or turning him; or
(3) pulling him to the ground.
Penalty: For holding by the offense: Loss of 10 yards.

Blocking Notes:
(1) When a defensive player is held by an offensive player during the following situations, Offensive Holding will not be

called:
(a) if the runner is being tackled simultaneously by any defensive player;
(b) if the runner simultaneously goes out of bounds;
(c) if a Fair Catch is made simultaneously;
(d) if the action clearly occurs after a forward pass has been thrown to a receiver beyond the line of scrimmage;
(e) if the action occurs away from the point of attack and not within close-line play;
(f) if a free kick results in a touchback;
(g) if a scrimmage kick simultaneously becomes a touchback;
(h) if the action is part of a double-team block, unless the defender splits the double team, gets to the outside of either
blocker, or is taken to the ground; or
(i) if, during a defensive charge, a defensive player uses a “rip” technique that puts an offensive player in a position
that would normally be holding.
Exception: Holding will be called if the defender’s feet are taken away from him by the blocker’s action.

(2) If a blocker falls on or pushes down a defender whose momentum is carrying him to the ground, Offensive Holding will

not be called unless the blocker prevents the defender from rising from the ground.
(3) If the official has not seen the entire action that sends a defender to the ground, Offensive Holding will not be called.
 

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Truth. You should clarify for everyone the nuances of the actual holding rule. A fan’s eye test isn’t enough.
He's posted and tried to explain the rules several times. But some people understand only what they want to understand.

That's not to say there aren't legitimate holds against Micah, because there are. But most of the "choke hold" complaints are legal blocks. (I don't necessarily think they should be, or at least there should be a better limit than "unless the block causes the defender to lose his feet" or whatever the wording is.)
 

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I know many Cowboys fans think our opponents get away with holding way too much- especially on Micah Parsons. I mostly agree. So I found this NFL penalties website that logs each holding penalty called for each team at what point in the game.

According to the research I did there, the Cowboys have been called for offensive holding 6 times and our opponents have been called 9 times. Even though we may think it’s been “unfair”, our opponents have been flagged more than we have for offensive holding.

Here’s the link.
https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/offensive-holding?year=2022&view=log

As a side note, the NFL team with most holding penalties is the Seattle Seahawks with 12. As I mentioned earlier, the Cowboys have had 6.

I’m not as curious about the NUMBER of penalties as I am about WHEN they occur. IMHO, that’s what impacts the game the most.
 

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Just because they call more on the opponents doesn’t mean they are calling it fairly. I’ve seen numerous times Parsons being held right in front of an official’s eyes and they just egregiously let it go. This points to the notion that they have other influences biasing calls or the lack thereof, e.g., trying to keep the game close for entertainment purposes, or for something more nefarious if they intended to do just that.
 

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Actually, the holding rule isn't as long as I remember so here it is in full, complete with the little known exceptions in the Blocking Notes at the end.

RULE 12
ARTICLE 3. ILLEGAL BLOCK BY OFFENSIVE PLAYER. It is a foul if an offensive blocker:
(a) Thrusts his hands forward above the frame of an opponent to forcibly contact him on the head, neck, or face; or

Note: Contact in close-line play is not a foul, unless it is direct and forcible, or prolonged.
Penalty: For illegal use of hands by the offense: Loss of 10 yards.

(b) Blocks an opponent (from behind) in the back above the opponent’s waist, or uses his hands or arms to push an opponent

from behind in a manner that affects his movement, except in close-line play.
Note: The prohibition also applies to a player of the kicking team while the ball is in flight during a free kick or scrimmage kick.

The use of hands on the back is not a foul when:
(1) a player is making a personal attempt to recover a loose ball;
(2) the opponent turns away from the blocker when contact is imminent;
(3) both of the blocker’s hands are on the opponent’s side. (If either hand is on the back, it is a foul).
Penalty: For an illegal block in the back above the waist by the offense: Loss of 10 yards.

(c) Uses his hands or arms to materially restrict or alter the defender’s path or angle of pursuit. It is a foul regardless of whether

the blocker’s hands are inside or outside the frame of the defender’s body. Material restrictions include but are not limited to:
(1) grabbing or tackling an opponent;
(2) hooking, jerking, twisting, or turning him; or
(3) pulling him to the ground.
Penalty: For holding by the offense: Loss of 10 yards.

Blocking Notes:
(1) When a defensive player is held by an offensive player during the following situations, Offensive Holding will not be

called:
(a) if the runner is being tackled simultaneously by any defensive player;
(b) if the runner simultaneously goes out of bounds;
(c) if a Fair Catch is made simultaneously;
(d) if the action clearly occurs after a forward pass has been thrown to a receiver beyond the line of scrimmage;
(e) if the action occurs away from the point of attack and not within close-line play;
(f) if a free kick results in a touchback;
(g) if a scrimmage kick simultaneously becomes a touchback;
(h) if the action is part of a double-team block, unless the defender splits the double team, gets to the outside of either
blocker, or is taken to the ground; or
(i) if, during a defensive charge, a defensive player uses a “rip” technique that puts an offensive player in a position
that would normally be holding.
Exception: Holding will be called if the defender’s feet are taken away from him by the blocker’s action.

(2) If a blocker falls on or pushes down a defender whose momentum is carrying him to the ground, Offensive Holding will

not be called unless the blocker prevents the defender from rising from the ground.
(3) If the official has not seen the entire action that sends a defender to the ground, Offensive Holding will not be called.
3c seems to dispute the claim the OL are allowed to grab on to a defender, as long as his hands stay inside.

"Blocking Notes" (d) seems just wrong. Is it saying that after a pass is completed, the offense is allowed to hold?
 

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And if you're lucky enough to break through the hold, for heaven's sake don't ruffle the quarterback's dress or it's 15:thumbup:
 

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The weak minded are prone to conspiracy theories because they aren’t equipped to handle reality.

Go figure.


The truly weak minded think they know everything, and have all things figured out. They loudly scoff at anything that doesn’t align with their opinion. They NEED black and white to feel safe.
 

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Actually, the holding rule isn't as long as I remember so here it is in full, complete with the little known exceptions in the Blocking Notes at the end.

RULE 12
ARTICLE 3. ILLEGAL BLOCK BY OFFENSIVE PLAYER. It is a foul if an offensive blocker:
(a) Thrusts his hands forward above the frame of an opponent to forcibly contact him on the head, neck, or face; or

Note: Contact in close-line play is not a foul, unless it is direct and forcible, or prolonged.
Penalty: For illegal use of hands by the offense: Loss of 10 yards.

(b) Blocks an opponent (from behind) in the back above the opponent’s waist, or uses his hands or arms to push an opponent

from behind in a manner that affects his movement, except in close-line play.
Note: The prohibition also applies to a player of the kicking team while the ball is in flight during a free kick or scrimmage kick.

The use of hands on the back is not a foul when:
(1) a player is making a personal attempt to recover a loose ball;
(2) the opponent turns away from the blocker when contact is imminent;
(3) both of the blocker’s hands are on the opponent’s side. (If either hand is on the back, it is a foul).
Penalty: For an illegal block in the back above the waist by the offense: Loss of 10 yards.

(c) Uses his hands or arms to materially restrict or alter the defender’s path or angle of pursuit. It is a foul regardless of whether

the blocker’s hands are inside or outside the frame of the defender’s body. Material restrictions include but are not limited to:
(1) grabbing or tackling an opponent;
(2) hooking, jerking, twisting, or turning him; or
(3) pulling him to the ground.
Penalty: For holding by the offense: Loss of 10 yards.

Blocking Notes:
(1) When a defensive player is held by an offensive player during the following situations, Offensive Holding will not be

called:
(a) if the runner is being tackled simultaneously by any defensive player;
(b) if the runner simultaneously goes out of bounds;
(c) if a Fair Catch is made simultaneously;
(d) if the action clearly occurs after a forward pass has been thrown to a receiver beyond the line of scrimmage;
(e) if the action occurs away from the point of attack and not within close-line play;
(f) if a free kick results in a touchback;
(g) if a scrimmage kick simultaneously becomes a touchback;
(h) if the action is part of a double-team block, unless the defender splits the double team, gets to the outside of either
blocker, or is taken to the ground; or
(i) if, during a defensive charge, a defensive player uses a “rip” technique that puts an offensive player in a position
that would normally be holding.
Exception: Holding will be called if the defender’s feet are taken away from him by the blocker’s action.

(2) If a blocker falls on or pushes down a defender whose momentum is carrying him to the ground, Offensive Holding will

not be called unless the blocker prevents the defender from rising from the ground.
(3) If the official has not seen the entire action that sends a defender to the ground, Offensive Holding will not be called.
Thanks for posting this. Can you imagine trying to accurately enforce this?
 

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While also trying to measure chop blocks, QB's arm going forward, possession, forward progress, number of steps a receiver took, was the knee down, etc. Not an easy job.
While I do think the quality of officials need to be improved greatly, the idiocy of the rules are a huge factor as well.
 

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Luulz, please. You need to find comfort in conspiracies because you can’t handle the reality of the truth.

I bet I know how you voted too.

But sorry to interrupt your conspiracy yarn. Let me help: “tHe leAgue’z oUt 2 g3t uzzzzzz!!!!”
It is more a case of realizing your truth is a joke.
 

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It is a byproduct of how poorly and inconsistently the game is officiated.
Well, this goes for most dynamic sports then. Formula One, soccer, basketball... everywhere are fans complaining about the officiating. And sorry but this is ridicilous. It's part of the game. Of course it could get better, the NFL (like any other league) needs to improve their quality here. But the point was, it's not about the Cowboys, but more of a general problem. There is no conspiracy against the Cowboys. All teams suffer from it every now and then.
 

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Go into any team's fan forum and you'll find the same complaints and conspiracy theories about the refs. It's ridiculous.
Certain players are different. For example Giannis in the nba basically barrels over people Bc he knows the refs won’t call it.


Refs can’t call everything on Micah, especially when sometimes it looks worse than it was Bc Micah will kinda spin away or into the linemen as the qb rolls out and it’s a gray area.


I’m fine with less holding overall in the league, one joe a game is pretty good all things considered
 
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