Offensive line, offensive line, and more offensive line

[rocboy22]

I remember it just fine. He still had loads of time to throw the ball. I never said football wasn't a rough game back then; in fact, you could actually hit a quarterback in the head back in those days...and the knees and anywhere you wanted to.

But go ahead and make a case for this this offensive line versus that one. It's going so well for you.[/quote]

it is??? I didn't see him attempting to make a case for this oline versus the 90s, but ok.......

 

[Mash]

I'll forgive you. You're too young to have seen winning Cowboys football before.

Really? 40 yrs plus....watching the Cowboys play

 

[speedkilz88]

And they all sucked until their 3rd or 4th years in the league. I can only imagine what the opinions would have been of them had messageboards and 24/7 media existed in 1988.

Tuinei and Newton came into the league in 1983, they were well beyond their 3rd and 4th years when Troy was drafted.

 

[Mash]

LOL, Emmitt wouldn't get touched until he was 4-5 yards downfield. Gimme a break.

How long has it been since we had 1,000-yard rusher? Emmitt used to have that by week 9.

We ran the ball horribly against good defenses last year. We just ran up stats against the Rams, Bills, and Seahawks, which made the totals and averages look better. Couldn't do squat against the Giants or Eagles.

Emmitt did have some huge holes....and the oline had some part in it....but dont underestimate the pick your poison type of offense......Teams feared Troy and Irvin as well........and Emmitt made that OL what it was also.....half that Oline were a bunch of nobody's.....before Emmitt and Norv arrived....go figure eh?

I loved the 90 Cowboys.....but lets not carried away on how great the OL was. Like I said....it was very good....but I will give more credit to Emmitt...Troy...Irvin...and Norv on the offense success then the OL.

 

[Mash]

Tuinei and Newton came into the league in 1983, they were well beyond their 3rd and 4th years when Troy was drafted.

When the USFL folded, Newton signed as a free agent with the Dallas Cowboys in 1986.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Your memory is pretty flakey, then. I assume you're 5 years stretch is from 1991-1996. Steve Buerlein had to play for a long stretch of the season in 1991, and Bernie Kosar had to fill in for Troy in the 1993 NFC Championship game. And Jason Garrett having to play a Thanksgiving Game against the Packers in 1994, and Rodney Peete playing an important December game against the Eagles that same year.

I believe Kosar had to start 2 or 3 games during the middle of that 93 season, right after signing, as well because Troy went down with an injury after scrambling out and running.

Although that really wasn't on the O-line and none of this makes this current O-Line anywhere near as good as that one back then.


Though I do tend to agree with one of the above posters that I believe we over-rate that O-Line back then.

 

[speedkilz88]

When the USFL folded, Newton signed as a free agent with the Dallas Cowboys in 1986.

But he had been playing since 83. Went to Commanders camp and then played for TB in the USFL.

 

[jobberone]

I understand some of the angst here due to the OL. However, I still don't think the OL is the major problem for the Cowboys nor do I think how the OL goes so goes the Boys. Don't get me wrong I think how goes Romo is how goes the Boys but that's related to the OL and play calling all interlocked.

My main concern is the defense. That's what cost us the division and a shot at another SB. Don't want to hijack the thread but wanted to throw that out there.

 

[Mash]

Tuinei and Newton came into the league in 1983, they were well beyond their 3rd and 4th years when Troy was drafted.

Tuinei switched in 1985 to a offensive tackle....became a full time starter in 1987

 

[Mash]

But he had been playing since 83. Went to Commanders camp and then played for TB in the USFL.

sorry...thought you meant when he became a Cowboy....

 

[erod]

I understand some of the angst here due to the OL. However, I still don't think the OL is the major problem for the Cowboys nor do I think how the OL goes so goes the Boys. Don't get me wrong I think how goes Romo is how goes the Boys but that's related to the OL and play calling all interlocked.

My main concern is the defense. That's what cost us the division and a shot at another SB. Don't want to hijack the thread but wanted to throw that out there.

I don't disagree with that, and the defense looks improved, but Romo needs less on his shoulders, too. A run game and better protection are critical in big games against good teams, too.

 

[erod]

But he had been playing since 83. Went to Commanders camp and then played for TB in the USFL.

Newton suffered from the perception in those days that guys like him were too fat to play in the NFL. He's one of the guys that convinced coaches that fat guys could stand up to the riggors of an NFL season, and actually were more effective than smaller guys if they were athletic. Newton was very athletic.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We apparently didn't need Carl Nicks, nor did we need to draft a center or guard in the draft. What we needed were two bulkier, younger guards to bracket Costa at center, and Bill Callahan to coach 'em up instead of Hudson Houck.

We'll see tonight.

Until this team has an offensive line that can stand up against elite pass-rushing defensive lines, not a single thing is going to change. This schedule features several teams with good defensive fronts, so this improvement isn't optional, and it can't be patchworked.

The offseason moves have to be correct....or else.

I'm looking forward to watching the new-look defense tonight, but make no mistake, tonight and this entire season rely solely on the offensive line. It has to be dramatically better than last year.

My eyes will be focused intently Smith, Livings, Costa, Bernadeau, and Free tonight.

same can be said for 24 other teams. you don't need all pros at every offensive line position.

the saints have carl nicks. what else? the giants are hurting. the eagles aren't that great. SF is the one team that's spent tons of picks and money on the OL. pittsburgh had had average OL for years, until they drafted a couple of interior linemen recently.

we need improved OL. we don't the greatest ever OL.

and you win championships with defense. not offense.

 

[newlander]

I can only imagine the massive poutrage and hysteria if the Cowboys opened Week 1 with Sean Locklear as our starting blindside tackle.

.....but watch how they help him. I would imagine Bennett will help double Ware all night long.....so, we shall see. Smith and Free might both need help: maybe Vickers chips and helps Free and Phillips doubles JPP and helps Smith on the left: whatever it takes, we MUST keep Tony clean. If we do, we can win: if not, we lose big again. Simple as that.

 

[burmafrd]

the O line pollyanna's seem to be getting desperate that their used car salesman tactics are not working.


What we have is this

A LT that is very young but has a great work ethic and has the physical tools to be the best there is

A RT that seems to be coasting- needs a foot up his butt to get motivated

2 Guards that are average to maybe above average and actually probably the least concern

A center that was putrid last year and all we can hope is mediocre at best this year


A O line needs to work together; but in this age of the Cap and FA no line gets to spend much time as a unit even without injuries.

So frankly you are better off getting the BEST talent you can since you cannot keep anyone for very long

The Boys have not figured that out completely yet

 

[newlander]

I understand some of the angst here due to the OL. However, I still don't think the OL is the major problem for the Cowboys nor do I think how the OL goes so goes the Boys. Don't get me wrong I think how goes Romo is how goes the Boys but that's related to the OL and play calling all interlocked.

My main concern is the defense. That's what cost us the division and a shot at another SB. Don't want to hijack the thread but wanted to throw that out there.

.......my biggest worries are

1) Oline.......obviously
2) Linebackers: namely Carter and COnnor: not sold yet: at all
3)Dline: Jrat is out: can Lissemore, Brent, COleman and Spears pick up the slack: find out in about 8 hrs.

 

[Doomsday101]

Newton suffered from the perception in those days that guys like him were too fat to play in the NFL. He's one of the guys that convinced coaches that fat guys could stand up to the riggors of an NFL season, and actually were more effective than smaller guys if they were athletic. Newton was very athletic.

Nate and his buddies also allowed Aikman to get sacked 11 times vs Philly. Those are just the sacks not the hits he took. Nate and Tuinie struggled early on

 

[Frozen700]

The O-line will do good....watch

 

[Cowboyz88]

the O line pollyanna's seem to be getting desperate that their used car salesman tactics are not working.

Here it is again.

Can ANYONE show me one fan here at CZ who thinks the OL is fine?

These mystery fans get talked about all the time, but I've seen little, if any evidence.

It's the same as Sasquatch.

 

[JonJon]

The offensive line was an issue last season, but the #1 reason why we have failed so much last season, and the year before that, and the year before that, etc., has been lack of discipline, mental mistakes, and penalties.

Cut down on all the drive killing holding penalties and false starts that put us into desperation 2nd and 20 and 3rd and 15 and open up the other team defense to tee off on us with pass rush and blitz schemes and maybe we convert more 3rd downs and move the chains. Also cut down on defensive penalties and execution errors that extend drives for other team offenses.

Reduce the errors and this team will go far.