Offensive Line Question

AMERICAS_FAN;3264259 said:
Jerry Jones is well aware that this team has not drafted well at OL and that this is a concern for upgrade, just as he knew that Miles Austin was about to emerge at WR. That's why he called T.O. a progress stopper; while the media nation, and many of us, laughed, we now know that Jerry knew what he was talking about.

And at hte beginning of the year Jerry Jones talked about OL depth being his greatest concern, and need-for-evaluation in the preseason. As it stans, it was that very lack of depth that did the club in during the playoffs. So Jerry Jones knows.

The new thing we found about in 2009 is that Bennett is not living up to the expectation needed ot run a 2-TE based offense. The fact that the offensive coaching staff took a risk on that and got burned is their fualt. The fact that Roy Williams' decline contributed to that is further their fault, although they share htat with Jerry Jones, the GM.

So using hindsight and foresight, it's obviois this team has three big areas of upgrades ot address for 2010

1) Better coaching decisions from the offnsive coaches, all the way around

2) Better drafting of OL and WR, since these are big position areas of need that have largely been neglected/undershot by the scouts and GM for over a decade.

.......2a) Upgrades to the OL depth (through the draft).

.......2b) Upgrade to the starting #2 WR spot and WR depth as well (through the draft).

3) Upgrades to the S position and/or depth there (through the draft). [Note: While this is not an area that seemingly did Dallas in in 2009, it was the weakest part of the defense that was luckily masked by the tramendous play from the rest of the defense. However, this is an area gone largely neglectd/overshot as wee in the draft. ]

I agree with this especially on the OL and WR. Not so sure about safety. I'm not certain Mike Hamlin won't be a better player for us than Ken Hamlin. Ken should have it all over him and in the end I suspect his experience will win out. I'm not certain a rookie at S from this years draft will be able to start over Hamlin and Sensabaugh. So I don't think they'll go that route. We don't have a high enough pick to get a starting safety in the draft this year, IOWs.
 
Our O-lne looks pretty damm good with Felix running through it.. Not so good when barber runs up their backs.. Good when the Defense is on their heals.. Terrible when the defense tees off on Tony...
 
Doomsday101;3264103 said:
True and in the history of this franchise we have only used a 1st rd pick on any OL once

Incorrect:

1966 - 1st round, 5th pick, OG, John Niland, Iowa
1979 - 1st round, 27th pick, C, Robert Shaw, Tennessee
1981 - 1st round, 26th pick, OG, Howard Richards, Missouri

Only 3 guys in 50 years is pathetic! :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

6-time Pro-Bowler John Niland should be in the HoF but Shaw got hurt early on and Richards was just an OK player for us.
 
jobberone;3264551 said:
I agree with this especially on the OL and WR. Not so sure about safety. I'm not certain Mike Hamlin won't be a better player for us than Ken Hamlin. Ken should have it all over him and in the end I suspect his experience will win out. I'm not certain a rookie at S from this years draft will be able to start over Hamlin and Sensabaugh. So I don't think they'll go that route. We don't have a high enough pick to get a starting safety in the draft this year, IOWs.

What we need most immediately at S is depth. Hopefully that can come on with Mike Hamlin, and with the emergence of Allan Ball. But I'd still like to see Dallas draft the next starter. With a second round pick, one can be easily had to take over in a couple of years, and provide depth now in the meantime.
 
THUMPER;3264611 said:
Only 3 guys in 50 years is pathetic!

Amazingly, the Commanders have only three in 70 years.

Mark May, 1981
Andre Johnson, 1996
Chris Samuels, 2001

The last offensive lineman they drafted in the first round before that was in 1939.
 
THUMPER;3264611 said:
Incorrect:

1966 - 1st round, 5th pick, OG, John Niland, Iowa
1979 - 1st round, 27th pick, C, Robert Shaw, Tennessee
1981 - 1st round, 26th pick, OG, Howard Richards, Missouri

Only 3 guys in 50 years is pathetic! :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

6-time Pro-Bowler John Niland should be in the HoF but Shaw got hurt early on and Richards was just an OK player for us.

Good call. However 3 guys in 50 years being pathetic? We have had some of the top OL play for Dallas where they got drafted is unimportant. Larry Allen, Eric Williams, Rayfield Wright, Mark Tuinie, Ralph Neely, Dave Manders, Tom Rafferty, Mark Stepnoski, Nate Newton as well others who were not 1st rd picks. Where a guy is selected is less important than the end results.
 
jobberone;3264532 said:
The MN DL whipped us and that was the end of that. I wonder if Flo had stayed in would they have put Free on Edwards but it's an academic question.

YES they did!!

Are you guys saying this is just a one day aberation because the coaches didn't have the guys prepared, our players were outplayed and the crowd noise was too much?

Or was it some kind of serious flaw in the character or make up of the O-Line that elite teams will always be able to exploit?

If you guys think they're better than they played then I'll at least have something to hope for. Cause it sucked watching ROMO run for his life on Seemingly EVERY passing play.

Ok ok. I'll let it go. (crummy loss)

Here we go... "There's always next year." :eek::
 
Nightshade;3265047 said:
YES they did!!

Are you guys saying this is just a one day aberation because the coaches didn't have the guys prepared, our players were outplayed and the crowd noise was too much?

Or was it some kind of serious flaw in the character or make up of the O-Line that elite teams will always be able to exploit?

If you guys think they're better than they played then I'll at least have something to hope for. Cause it sucked watching ROMO run for his life on Seemingly EVERY passing play.

Ok ok. I'll let it go. (crummy loss)

Here we go... "There's always next year." :eek::

I think the line is better than what they showed in the last game but it is still in need of some upgrades.
 
Doomsday101;3265048 said:
I think the line is better than what they showed in the last game but it is still in need of some upgrades.

Who would you upgrade and why?
 
Nightshade;3265120 said:
Who would you upgrade and why?

Dallas has had problems with handling pressure up the middle and their OT's are old and getting slower each year. The only two players that should be entirely safe this year are Gurode and Davis. In my opinion, I think Colombo and Kosier should and will lose their starting jobs. Free has shown he can be a starter, and I know it's hard for some of us to understand that the Cowboys actually HIT on an OL in the draft in Doug Free. It's Free's time to be a starter in the league. I don't know where Free plays, whether it's LT or RT, but he needs to be a starter. At this point, I would rather have Flozell over Colombo, because Colombo plays only one position. Worst case in an injury situation, Flozell could slide to RT or even guard. Kosier is a steady lineman; a good lineman, but the LG position can still be upgraded. He has trouble with big, massive OL (see the Minnesota game). This is where the draft comes into play. Hopefully Brewster or this year's OL draft pick pushes Kosier for the LG spot.
 
Nightshade;3265120 said:
Who would you upgrade and why?

Upgrade is not always replacing a player this min. example we have Flo entering his 13th year now is the time to draft a player who can hopefully step in and take the spot. I like Kosier but I think that is an area we can upgrade with a bigger stronger guard
 

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