Official Roy Halladay Trade Thread

[Timbo2st]

Where is he going to end up? Stay with the Blue Jays? Phillies? Brewers? Dodgers? Yankees? Cardinals? Red Sox? Rangers? Angels?

I thought he was going to stay with the Jays, but word is talks are heating up.

 

[ajk23az]

Cards are going after Holliday, they won't try.
Yankees won't, not the way their team is playing right now.
Philles are going to have to give them Kyle Drabek to get him which they won't do.
Brewers....uhh idk, I don't think theyll give up the farm again to get a pitcher for half a year like they did with CC.
Dodgers very well could.
Red Sox? The way they are playing right now, maybe..
Rangers? Will they have to give up Neftali Feliz to get him? Possibly..
Angels? Naw...

 

[Yeagermeister]

Any team but the Yankees

 

[Monster Heel]

Anybody, but the Phillies.

Even the Yankees...

 

[Timbo2st]

Buster Olney on Baseball Tonight said the Jays will scout Phillies prospect Carrasco Friday night. Olney said that after Carrasco's start they will exchange names.

Interesting...

 

[Timbo2st]

Guess you can scratch the Cardinals off the list.

They just got A's OF Matt Holliday.

 

[FloridaRob]

unfortunately the Mets won't but it would be fun watching Santana and Doc. AT least they would be favored to win 2 out of 5 games.

 

[DIAF]

The Rangers can't trade for Halladay. They don't want to pay him. And I am not even sure if they even COULD pay him if they wanted to.

If he does somehow find his way to Texas, it won't be for Feliz. Rangers need another pen arm, and are hoping Feliz will fit the bill when he comes up. Trading Feliz in a Halladay deal is just solving one problem while creating another.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If Boston decides to jump into the frey, you can't bet that the Yanks will get involved. They can't afford to Allow Boston to get another good arm so they will likely follow suit just to try and prevent that. At the least, drive up the cost of a deal to the Sox.

 

[DIAF]

If Boston decides to jump into the frey, you can't bet that the Yanks will get involved. They can't afford to Allow Boston to get another good arm so they will likely follow suit just to try and prevent that. At the least, drive up the cost of a deal to the Sox.

I don't think the Yanks or the Sox will have the ammo to get halladay. Surely the Jays could find a better offer. The Yankees farm system isn't exactly a shining beacon of awesomeness and while the Sox have some good prospects, if I'm JP Ricciardi and the Sox don't mention Clay Buchholz when they call me, I slam the phone down. Even though the Sox didn't really give up much in terms of value in the Laroche or Duncan trades, after those deals were made they might be less willing to make another move. The Phillies had the right mix of talent and desire to make this deal, but they have such a large lead now in the NL East that it might not matter.

Edit: Matt Harrison now out for the season with Thoracic Outlet Syndrome, just like Hank Blalock 2 years ago.

I wonder if this means the Rangers jump into the Roy Halladay mess and just swallow real hard on payday.

6:07pm: Andy Martino of The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that the Blue Jays have asked for Kyle Drabek, J.A. Happ and outfielder Dominic Brown.

Hahahahaha. Good luck with that, Torontlol.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

The Rangers can't trade for Halladay. They don't want to pay him. And I am not even sure if they even COULD pay him if they wanted to.

If he does somehow find his way to Texas, it won't be for Feliz. Rangers need another pen arm, and are hoping Feliz will fit the bill when he comes up. Trading Feliz in a Halladay deal is just solving one problem while creating another.

I'm pretty sure this is the case. They're not going to spend an additional dime until Hicks can sell.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

everyone should know by now that the Braves aren't even considering it

 

[bayeslife]

Idk for whatever reason, I'm not a Halladay fan.

Of course, the way my Phillies have been playing, they don't look like they need him. Just gotta make sure Hamels gets his head out of his *** and starts pitching like his playoff self.

 

[Timbo2st]

6:07pm: Andy Martino of The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that the Blue Jays have asked for Kyle Drabek, J.A. Happ and outfielder Dominic Brown.

Hahahahaha. Good luck with that, Torontlol.

If that's true, then I'm very happy.

Phils keep Michael Taylor, nice.

 

[DIAF]

everyone should know by now that the Braves aren't even considering it

The Braves don't need Halladay. They have 6 starters as it is; Halladay would make 7(!) They need a bat, and their main trade chip in that instance would be Javier Vazquez, and at 6 or 7 games back with less than half the season they are better served just standing pat. If they win like this, fine. If they don't, fine, then get a bat in FA and try again next year.

 

[Alumni2k11]

I hope my Dodgers get him. They could use another arm.

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

I hope its the phillies, but after reading a piece this morning on who they want, I hope the phillies don't do it. he's great, but they want far too many of our top prospects for him. not worth it, IMO.

 

[Timbo2st]

I hope its the phillies, but after reading a piece this morning on who they want, I hope the phillies don't do it. he's great, but they want far too many of our top prospects for him. not worth it, IMO.

Yea, we'll see what happens.

Sources: Jays want too much, Phils say


If the Blue Jays' asking price for Roy Halladay is J.A. Happ, top pitching prospect Kyle Drabek and high-ceiling outfield prospect Dominic Brown, the Phillies aren't buying.

The Blue Jays formally proposed that package to the Phillies on Thursday, in exchange for the 32-year-old Cy Young award-winner, ESPN's Peter Gammons confirmed Friday.

But two baseball people familiar with the Phillies' thinking told ESPN.com on Saturday that that's not a deal the Phillies are willing to make.

"The ball is in their court," said Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi, who Friday did not sound optimistic that a deal would happen.

According to an executive of one team that has spoken with the Phillies' brass, the Phillies are adamantly opposed to giving up both Happ and Drabek. There are indications they would like to substitute pitching prospect Carlos Carrasco for one of those two, preferably in place of the highly regarded Drabek.

"If there was an urgency to be somewhere else and an urgency from the team to have me somewhere else, I think it would be different," Halladay said Friday. "I just don't get that feeling. At this point I feel like I'm going to be here."

Blue Jays assistant GM Tony LaCava scouted Carrasco's start for Triple-A Lehigh Valley on Friday after watching Drabek pitch for Double-A Reading earlier in the week.

"The Phillies are going to have to step up if they want him," said one talent evaluator involved in Halladay discussions. "Happ is OK [as a prospect], and Drabek is a good prospect, but neither of those guys is ever going to be what Halladay is. They're prospects, and Halladay is Halladay; he's the best. If Happ and Drabek are not both in the deal, it's not going to happen."

Blue Jays officials have told other clubs that Philadelphia still hasn't informed them it was unwilling to include both pitchers in a package for Holliday. But another source said the two sides are currently discussing "a list of seven or eight names" that will constitute the framework of a 3-for-1 or 4-for-1 deal.

Drabek, Happ and Brown are on that list, along with Carrasco, outfielder Michael Taylor, catcher Lou Marson and shortstop Jason Donald. It's believed that hard-throwing Class A righthander Jason Knapp was also on the list at one time. But Knapp just went on the disabled list with "shoulder fatigue." So, according to one source, talk about him has "cooled."

The Jays received calls from two other teams about Halladay on Friday, and the Jays know they can get young major league caliber pitching from teams other than the Phillies, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney. It's also possible that Toronto and the Red Sox -- who got nowhere in their discussions last week -- will re-engage in talks for the All-Star pitcher.

Other teams continuing to express some level of interest include the Brewers, White Sox, Rangers, Dodgers, Angels, Rays and Yankees. But multiple sources said the Phillies still represent the best match. And the teams appeared Saturday to be building momentum toward a deal.

It remains to be seen whether another team steps up and is as willing as Philadelphia to make a Halladay trade, and whether the Blue Jays are prepared to walk away from the table altogether and keep Halladay past the trade deadline; his trade value will likely plummet if Toronto keeps him.

"[The Blue Jays] are not just going to give him away for prospects," the talent evaluator said. Rather, Toronto "could just keep him and run him back out there for 35 starts next season."

Baseball's non-waiver trade deadline is July 31 but Ricciardi has set a loose deadline of July 28 to work out a deal. Halladay's next scheduled start is July 29 at Seattle.

Halladay allowed two runs, one earned, and four hits to the Rays in a no-decision Friday night at Toronto. He walked three and struck out 10, the eighth 10-strikeout game of his career.

Halladay got his first standing ovation of the night before the game started, with fans rising to applaud as he walked in from the bullpen.

"It was electric, it was a great atmosphere," Halladay said. "It was fun to be in."

 

[ajk23az]

SportsCenter said the Angels and Dodgers have made trade proposals this morning. Didn't say who though.

 

[Timbo2st]

Just posted on ESPN.com

Source: Phils' latest offer rebuffed


The Blue Jays have rejected the Phillies' latest offer for Roy Halladay, a source familiar with the two teams' discussions told ESPN.com.

On Saturday -- after the Phillies informed Toronto they would not agree to a proposal that would have sent pitchers J.A. Happ and Kyle Drabek, plus outfield prospect Dominic Brown to the Jays for Halladay -- the Phillies countered with a four-for-one offer.

The Phillies took both Drabek, their top pitching prospect, and Brown, their top position-player prospect, out of the deal. Instead, they submitted an offer of Happ and their three most advanced prospects -- outfielder Michael Taylor, pitcher Carlos Carrasco and shortstop Jason Donald.

Taylor, Carrasco and Donald are all currently playing for Triple-A Lehigh Valley. And they're all highly regarded enough that the Phillies had once put all three on their untouchable-prospect list. Nevertheless, the Blue Jays quickly rejected that proposal.

According to one baseball man who talked to Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi, the GM informed the Phillies "that's not going to work." The Blue Jays are continuing to tell the Phillies, Angels, Dodgers and other clubs inquiring about Halladay that they're only going to deal their ace if they get "wowed" by an offer.

And in the course of rejecting the Phillies' offer, they told Philadelphia GM Ruben Amaro Jr. that they're "very comfortable" keeping Halladay if they don't get what they want.

So the two teams are still a long ways away from agreeing to a package that would send Halladay to Philadelphia. Nevertheless, the sides continue to talk. And clubs that have spoken with the Philadelphia brass portray the Phillies as a team that "still wants to make this deal." They just "want [the Blue Jays] to consider other options."

However, the Blue Jays have given no indication that the price will come down. They sent their top evaluator -- assistant GM for player personnel Tony LaCava -- out to watch the Phillies' Double-A and Triple-A teams last week. And after LaCava saw Carrasco give up six runs in six innings Friday, the Blue Jays appear more dug in than ever that they're not willing to substitute Carrasco for either Drabek or Happ.

But the Phillies are holding just as firm to the stance that they would deal one of the two but not both. And their latest offer is an indication that they're working to keep the highly touted Drabek (10-2, with a 2.80 ERA, at two levels this year) out of the deal.

It's also still possible the Phillies could turn their attention to Cleveland's Cliff Lee, whom they will scout against the Mariners on Sunday. Halladay is still clearly at the top of the Phillies' list. But one baseball man familiar with their thinking says they're "trying to keep the door open" on Lee.

The Phillies also have looked into the Pirates' Zach Duke and Seattle's Jarrod Washburn. But those two appear to be only back-burner options.

In the meantime, the Blue Jays continue to talk to a number of other clubs about Halladay. But one of the most aggressive, the Angels, is also balking at the current asking price.

It's believed Toronto told the Angels it would want either Jered Weaver or Joe Saunders, shortstop Eric Aybar and two other pieces. But an official of one club that has been in touch with the Angels said there is no scenario in which the Angels would "create a gaping hole" on their big-league club to make a trade for Halladay or anyone else.

The Dodgers also were given a list of players the Blue Jays would want in return for Halladay. And while there were indications that Clayton Kershaw is no longer on that list, the Dodgers were still being described by sources as "a long shot" to get Halladay. In fact, the Dodgers appear to be more focused on Lee, even though the Indians continue to characterize themselves as unmotivated to trade Lee.

So despite their lack of progress so far, the Phillies still seem to be positioned as the club most likely to trade for Halladay. But the Blue Jays have spent the last 24 hours trying to get the word out that they don't have to deal their ace. In the next few days, everyone will find out whether they're serious, or just trying to ratchet up the price.