OFFSEASON Guess...Some won't like it.

[Chuck 54]

I really don't see Parcells overhauling the OL as much as we fans would love to see it. As a matter of fact, I don't think we'll see more than 1 change on opening day...possibly none.

LT: Flozel Adams returns...that position is his.

LG: Larry Allen isn't going anywhere...it's been shown that cutting him is not a smart move this year financially...better to keep him, and at that salary, it won't be to stand on the sidelines.

C: This would be my personal favorite area to improve because I think a legitimate/top center would have a bigger impact on our running game and Pass protection than a new RT...the pocket must be solid up the middle so Bledsoe doesn't focus on the rush and so he can step up to avoid the outside rush.

RG: We all know it's true...Rivera is the starter again next year...period.

RT: Don't be surprised if the competition comes down to Pettitti who now has a season under his belt and Tucker who pleasantly surprised Parcells with his improvement while playing the tougher side of the line. I wouldn't be surprised if a FA OT is brought in just for insurance, but I don't think it will be a top line guy who is sure to start.

A combination/competition between Pettitti and Tucker will be better than this year if for no other reason than another year of development and strength...and if Adams is on the other side, even if neither of these guys turns out to be ideal, we can cover for 1 OT...most teams do.

Free Agency/Draft:I'd love to bring in another Center, but I won't be surprised if we go with the same guys. I don't see Parcells drafting an OT in round 1 or 2 because it's unlikely either round would produce an automatic day 1 starter...recently, most top OT's have actually been playing OG for a year or two. I don't see Parcells wanting to spend a day 1 pick on an OL...shocking as that may be.

I think we'll trade down in the first round to garner an extra #2 if we can find a partner. I believe after FA is over, Parcells will want to draft a LB, FS, WR, and either another TE or OL on day 1. He'll want guys who can either start as rookies or make an impact in a rotation.

As for the OL, when cooler heads prevail and Adams returns, I'm not convinced Parcells will want to invest a top draft pick or FA money on a top O'lineman unless it's a center in FA.

Those calling for an OL overhaul are in for a shock, imo. I think he expects to have LT fixed with Adams, at least the same out of LA, better out of Rivera in his 2nd year back from injury, better play and competition out of Tucker/Pettitti if only one of them has to play at RT, and improved play out of either Johnson or Gurode.

Call me crazy, but I'm not holding my breath when FA opens...I think the only signings we could possibly see would be WR or TE (depth) and LB or C or FS(starters if anyone is signed).

 

[Nors]

Can Adam or someone break down where the sacks were given up?

I'd gander that 75% were on the tackles. Not up the middle on Center.

We need to shore RT up.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Can Adam or someone break down where the sacks were given up?

I'd gander that 75% were on the tackles. Not up the middle on Center.

We need to shore RT up.

Thats true but center is where the running game starts and Dallas was near last per carry.


I think we need BOTH, the OL has to be adressed and not just OT, IMO.

 

[DBoys]

Thats true but center is where the running game starts and Dallas was near last per carry.


I think we need BOTH, the OL has to be adressed and not just OT, IMO.

And better with Gurode in there.

 

[Rush 2112]

We save 3.4 by cutting LA by 4/1.

He's got 2 mil due to him on 4/1.......buh bye

7.5 cap # 2006 and 8.5 in 2007.

Stop the madness please.

I'd put 30-50% of blown up running plays on LA thinking the DL has to count 5alligators.

LA is like using email vs IM.

So late 90's.

 

[Nors]

LA is more like walking up to your front door and punching you out

 

[Rush 2112]

Retire/cut, put him in the Ring Of Honor and let's move on.

 

[baj1dallas]

I think there is a good chance that Johnson is replaced in FA, probably 60-40. I think Adams, Rivera and Allen will definitely be back, what history would make you believe Jones is inclined to let guys like these go? Petiti may see competition from a rookie but I expect it will be a later round pick, unless somebody slides. I don't see any reason to believe Jones will go after more linemen in FA. I expect to see a FS brought in based on what Jerry said today on GaC (said safety was a need). Add in a kicker, even though Jones wants to win by more points than 3, and probably a linebacker or at least Fujita, and that's about all you can really expect IMO.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I really don't see Parcells overhauling the OL as much as we fans would love to see it. As a matter of fact, I don't think we'll see more than 1 change on opening day...possibly none.

LT: Flozel Adams returns...that position is his.

LG: Larry Allen isn't going anywhere...it's been shown that cutting him is not a smart move this year financially...better to keep him, and at that salary, it won't be to stand on the sidelines.

C: This would be my personal favorite area to improve because I think a legitimate/top center would have a bigger impact on our running game and Pass protection than a new RT...the pocket must be solid up the middle so Bledsoe doesn't focus on the rush and so he can step up to avoid the outside rush.

RG: We all know it's true...Rivera is the starter again next year...period.

RT: Don't be surprised if the competition comes down to Pettitti who now has a season under his belt and Tucker who pleasantly surprised Parcells with his improvement while playing the tougher side of the line. I wouldn't be surprised if a FA OT is brought in just for insurance, but I don't think it will be a top line guy who is sure to start.

A combination/competition between Pettitti and Tucker will be better than this year if for no other reason than another year of development and strength...and if Adams is on the other side, even if neither of these guys turns out to be ideal, we can cover for 1 OT...most teams do.

Free Agency/Draft:I'd love to bring in another Center, but I won't be surprised if we go with the same guys. I don't see Parcells drafting an OT in round 1 or 2 because it's unlikely either round would produce an automatic day 1 starter...recently, most top OT's have actually been playing OG for a year or two. I don't see Parcells wanting to spend a day 1 pick on an OL...shocking as that may be.

I think we'll trade down in the first round to garner an extra #2 if we can find a partner. I believe after FA is over, Parcells will want to draft a LB, FS, WR, and either another TE or OL on day 1. He'll want guys who can either start as rookies or make an impact in a rotation.

As for the OL, when cooler heads prevail and Adams returns, I'm not convinced Parcells will want to invest a top draft pick or FA money on a top O'lineman unless it's a center in FA.

Those calling for an OL overhaul are in for a shock, imo. I think he expects to have LT fixed with Adams, at least the same out of LA, better out of Rivera in his 2nd year back from injury, better play and competition out of Tucker/Pettitti if only one of them has to play at RT, and improved play out of either Johnson or Gurode.

Call me crazy, but I'm not holding my breath when FA opens...I think the only signings we could possibly see would be WR or TE (depth) and LB or C or FS(starters if anyone is signed).

Wayne I'm in full agreement with you.

The offensive line WILL NOT be totally overhauled... positively not.

I think it's a 50/50 bet that the same 5 guys that started in SD will be the same 5 that start the opener in '06.

 

[BigDFan5]

I really don't see Parcells overhauling the OL as much as we fans would love to see it. As a matter of fact, I don't think we'll see more than 1 change on opening day...possibly none.

LT: Flozel Adams returns...that position is his.

LG: Larry Allen isn't going anywhere...it's been shown that cutting him is not a smart move this year financially...better to keep him, and at that salary, it won't be to stand on the sidelines.

C: This would be my personal favorite area to improve because I think a legitimate/top center would have a bigger impact on our running game and Pass protection than a new RT...the pocket must be solid up the middle so Bledsoe doesn't focus on the rush and so he can step up to avoid the outside rush.

RG: We all know it's true...Rivera is the starter again next year...period.

RT: Don't be surprised if the competition comes down to Pettitti who now has a season under his belt and Tucker who pleasantly surprised Parcells with his improvement while playing the tougher side of the line. I wouldn't be surprised if a FA OT is brought in just for insurance, but I don't think it will be a top line guy who is sure to start.

A combination/competition between Pettitti and Tucker will be better than this year if for no other reason than another year of development and strength...and if Adams is on the other side, even if neither of these guys turns out to be ideal, we can cover for 1 OT...most teams do.

Free Agency/Draft:I'd love to bring in another Center, but I won't be surprised if we go with the same guys. I don't see Parcells drafting an OT in round 1 or 2 because it's unlikely either round would produce an automatic day 1 starter...recently, most top OT's have actually been playing OG for a year or two. I don't see Parcells wanting to spend a day 1 pick on an OL...shocking as that may be.

I think we'll trade down in the first round to garner an extra #2 if we can find a partner. I believe after FA is over, Parcells will want to draft a LB, FS, WR, and either another TE or OL on day 1. He'll want guys who can either start as rookies or make an impact in a rotation.

As for the OL, when cooler heads prevail and Adams returns, I'm not convinced Parcells will want to invest a top draft pick or FA money on a top O'lineman unless it's a center in FA.

Those calling for an OL overhaul are in for a shock, imo. I think he expects to have LT fixed with Adams, at least the same out of LA, better out of Rivera in his 2nd year back from injury, better play and competition out of Tucker/Pettitti if only one of them has to play at RT, and improved play out of either Johnson or Gurode.

Call me crazy, but I'm not holding my breath when FA opens...I think the only signings we could possibly see would be WR or TE (depth) and LB or C or FS(starters if anyone is signed).

Agree and disagree. I think we will see 1 FA signing for OLine at the least. RT will be upgraded via FA.

Will not see a OLineman taken in rd 1 possibly see it rd 2 if someone slips.

in FA we will get RT, K, Maybe C, and probably FS

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think there is a good chance that Johnson is replaced in FA, probably 60-40. I think Adams, Rivera and Allen will definitely be back, what history would make you believe Jones is inclined to let guys like these go? Petiti may see competition from a rookie but I expect it will be a later round pick, unless somebody slides. I don't see any reason to believe Jones will go after more linemen in FA. I expect to see a FS brought in based on what Jerry said today on GaC (said safety was a need). Add in a kicker, even though Jones wants to win by more points than 3, and probably a linebacker or at least Fujita, and that's about all you can really expect IMO.

Exactly. These folks that think we're going to bring in a new starting C, G and RT are out of their minds. It ain't happening.

 

[Jimmie]

Can Adam or someone break down where the sacks were given up?

I'd gander that 75% were on the tackles. Not up the middle on Center.

We need to shore RT up.

I believe Norm Hitzges was talking about it with mickey or jjt, and they said petitti gave up 13 sacks in 16 games, and 12 by T. Tucker is 11 games. I think they said the team gave up 48 for the year, dont quote me but if thats true then 50% came from the tackle position.....:starspin

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Can Adam or someone break down where the sacks were given up?

I'd gander that 75% were on the tackles. Not up the middle on Center.

We need to shore RT up.

Flozell Adams
1 False Start
2 Holding
2 Sacks

Torrin Tucker
4 False Starts
1 Hold
12.5 Sacks

Larry Allen
1 False Start
2 Holds
2.5 Sacks

Al Johnson
1 False Start
6 Holds
1.25 Sacks

Marco Rivera
6 False Starts
3 Holds
3.25 Sacks


Rob Petitti
5 False Starts
2 Holds
13.5 Sacks

Stats


Needless to say, if we come into camp with Rob Petitti as our Right Tackle again, it will be a long season, and it will only be amplified if we pass on every Tackle in the Draft.

- Mike G.

 

[ddh33]

I agree, and I have been saying this for a while too.

There are two reasons why I don't think we will see wholesale changes: 1) money, and 2) youth.

The money is pretty simple. It is going to cost money or picks to bring in new guys, and the money you save may not make it worthwhile anyway. I'm interested to see how the Larry Allen situation is handled because I think that could go either way, but even then, he's going to get a check whether he's here or not. You might as well have him on your team, right?

The youth may be the bigger factor though. Bill is going to give these young players every chance to succeed - especially since they are his guys. I expect some more depth brought in, and I think some vets could be brought in to hold the fort for a year or two, but I think Parcells wants to believe that Rob and Al are his future at C and RT.

As I said, I expect some guys brought in, but I don't think it's going to be any big name guy. I'm expecting more of the "hold the fort" kind of guys and some mid round draft choices (not high picks).

 

[TNCowboy]

If Petitti starts next year, we'll be talking about the draft again come next January, instead of the playoffs.

Standing pat with the collection of losers we trotted out there last season is laughable and monumentally stupid. And Parcells is just arrogant enough to try it.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

If Petitti starts next year, we'll be talking about the draft again come next January, instead of the playoffs.

Standing pat with the collection of losers we trotted out there last season is laughable and monumentally stupid. And Parcells is just arrogant enough to try it.

Not sure.

The only way I would complain about Rob Petitti being our Right Tackle next seasons is if all viable options were unavailable.

Meaning, all viable Draftees didnt fall our way and/or Free Agent asking price were astronomical and/or we lost out on a bidding war.

But to have Rob Petitti, Sean Suisham and Keith Davis for that matter, set in stone without exploring all viable options is very erroneous as you stated.

 

[Juke99]

Let's not ignore the fact that often, there was no pocket to step up into because the middle of the line allowed too much penetration.

I'd be willing to guess that while the stats might not be as lopsided against the tackles on other teams, that with other teams the tackles give up the majority of the sacks as well.

 

[ddh33]

I still think that Peterman is going to be fine as a guard too. Eventually, I think he replaces Larry Allen. You probably need to start thinking about another guard to replace Rivera though, and I think Dallas can find someone like that in the third round.

If you bring in someone to help Al Johnson and Rob Pettiti (Columbo?)in free agency, then you are looking much better on the line.

My point is, it may not even need as much retooling as everyone thinks. Just get more quality depth.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Let's not ignore the fact that often, there was no pocket to step up into because the middle of the line allowed too much penetration.

I'd be willing to guess that while the stats might not be as lopsided against the tackles on other teams, that with other teams the tackles give up the majority of the sacks as well.

I would love to do something about both Guard positions and probably Center.

Right now, I think it is too much to ask of the coaching staff to replace 4 starters on the offensive line in 1 Offseason.

Right Tackle was clearly the biggest issue and it must be addressed first.

My dream scenario would to be to have a Tackle fall in the 2nd Round, which would open up the possibility to draft Santonio Holmes and maybe get a Center off the Free Agent Market.

You come away with a Young and speedy receiver
You get a top notch Tackle in the 2nd Round
You get a pretty good center to help us out

I am just hoping to God Rivera just had a fluke down year or all the problems at other positions contributed to his poor play.

He, Allen and Flozell were suppose to be the shining light....

- Mike G.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

With the emergence of Patrick Crayton, I think that the team will be less inclined to go WR in the 1st round. I just dont think with OLB, C, RT, G, FS all in a position to use an upgrade that we get a luxury item like WR. Remember, BP was opposed to drafting Glenn at the 8 spot in NE....ownership pushed their power on that one.

BP is big on a strong D and a power running game. He had Simms and Hostetler, and Simms was good, Bravaro was a great TE (we've got Witten), but WR is never a position he sees as vital.

I guarantee that our team would be alot better if we get a OLB in the early rounds or in FA over a WR. We can milk at LEAST 1 more good year out of Key and Glenn. Crayton had a break out start to this last season, but I'm counting on him to come up big for us.