OFFSEASON Guess...Some won't like it.

[CowboysFan02]

Let's not ignore the fact that often, there was no pocket to step up into because the middle of the line allowed too much penetration.

I'd be willing to guess that while the stats might not be as lopsided against the tackles on other teams, that with other teams the tackles give up the majority of the sacks as well.

Al got pushed back to often for me, granted he didn't get much help for Rivera, but the center of the pocket collapsed to much. I think a upgrade at C is a BIG need. Or maybe we can switch Gruode and Al's brain so Gurode can make the line calls.

 

[burmafrd]

If we could find a way to transplant Al's head on Gurodes body we would have an all pro Center. Oh well. I think neither of them is the answer for a starting center. That might be our big FA grab- center. We probably will get a FA tackle- but I doubt we break the bank on it.

 

[Silverstar]

Everyone's busting on Pettitti hard...and he probably deserves it, but isn't this the same guy everyone was raving over early in the season? Obviously he was getting help and being protected before Adams went down. Tucker had his problems at LT too, but can you imagine Pettitti at LT???

I'm not all that quick to assume that Tucker won't be able to beat out Pettitti at RT this offseason. Any chance of that?

Any chance of Gurode playing better at Center with another offseason at it?

Any chance of seeing.........Adams...LA....Gurode...Rivera....Tucker?

What the...??


NO...NO...NO!!!


Does this look like a sexy OL to you?

LT Adams
LT Allen
C Gurode
RG Rivera
RT Tucker


WELL DOES IT!!!


HMMM???


No, I don't think so my insightful friend. Look, just stick with the topic at hand here...CHANGE, CONTROVERSY, OVERHAULS, SEXY DRAFT PICKS AND FA REPLACEMENTS!


STOP TRYING TO MAKE SENSE AROUND HERE!

 

[Chuck 54]

 

[Wolverine]

wayne. I do not see Tucker challenging Pettiti for Tackle. If Tucker makes a challenge it will be to take over Riveras spot. God help us if we have another year of Al Johnson and Marco Rivera next to each other. Those are the 2 most worthless players this team has.

If we can not get any good luck in signin some good OL in FA then I would say why not move Gurode to Center and Tucker to guard. They cant possibly be any worse then Johnson and Rivera.

Somehow we have to improve the OL in FA or the draft.

 

[The30YardSlant]

wayne. I do not see Tucker challenging Pettiti for Tackle. If Tucker makes a challenge it will be to take over Riveras spot. God help us if we have another year of Al Johnson and Marco Rivera next to each other. Those are the 2 most worthless players this team has.

If we can not get any good luck in signin some good OL in FA then I would say why not move Gurode to Center and Tucker to guard. They cant possibly be any worse then Johnson and Rivera.

Somehow we have to improve the OL in FA or the draft.

Rivera had a back injury all year, he still has pro bowl ability.

 

[Wolverine]

Rivera had a back injury all year, he still has pro bowl ability.

He is also so old that he is about a year away from needing dentures. What a total waste of FA $$$ that was.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

He is also so old that he is about a year away from needing dentures. What a total waste of FA $$$ that was.

I agree a little bit, but you cant hope that Tucker takes his spot right? Does Tucker even have experience at Guard?

- Mike G.

 

[The30YardSlant]

He is also so old that he is about a year away from needing dentures. What a total waste of FA $$$ that was.

Yeah, 33 is ancient....

This is what I get for debating issues with a kid who is in his sophmore year of high school

 

[Wolverine]

I agree a little bit, but you cant hope that Tucker takes his spot right? Does Tucker even have experience at Guard?

- Mike G.

Tucker played Guard in college. One reason he had so many problems at Tackle was cuz he never played it before till he came here. Put the man back at guard and I think he can do a good job.

 

[dmq]

One way or another, it was obvious that Pettiti's game slipped after the injury. Man, the guy had a high ankle sprain and he continued to play. That is guts!!!!!!!!!!! We need to keep this guy. He will be better after weight training and has time to heal up.

Keep Larry, but try to reduce his salary. He is counting against our salary cap anyway. We aren't getting a guy for 3 million a year thats gonna be at his level.

Al, well lets hope he can gain some strength in the offseason. You know they're gonna be in the weight room with him one way or another.

Rivera. Lets hope last year wasn't a sign of the future or we just shot ourself in the foot.

Flo, he will dramatically help our offensive line problems.

 

[Wolverine]

One way or another, it was obvious that Pettiti's game slipped after the injury. Man, the guy had a high ankle sprain and he continued to play. That is guts!!!!!!!!!!! We need to keep this guy. He will be better after weight training and has time to heal up.

Keep Larry, but try to reduce his salary. He is counting against our salary cap anyway. We aren't getting a guy for 3 million a year thats gonna be at his level.

Al, well lets hope he can gain some strength in the offseason. You know they're gonna be in the weight room with him one way or another.

Rivera. Lets hope last year wasn't a sign of the future or we just shot ourself in the foot.

Flo, he will dramatically help our offensive line problems.

I agree. Also remember Pettiti also showed what a hard worker he is. Parcells wanted him down to 335 but Pettiti went 10 pounds lighter. To drop from 370 to that shows this guy is gonna give it his all. He will not have to worry about losin any more weight. Now he can just heal up and hit the weights.

If we can not get any good FAs on the OL I think we could have at least a average or better OL with

Adams
Allen
Gurode
Tucker
Pettiti

as our starters.


Rivera needs to go. The only game he missed is the one where Julius Jones got 194 yards and had his best game of the year.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I think there is a VERY good chance that we have at least two different starters on the OL. Adams is going to be there if he is recovered from his injury. Rivera is going to be there because of his salary and his prior history. LA will probably be there, but I completely disagree that he makes too much to be replaced. We will gain a big chunk of salary cap room....PLENTY of room to get an adequate replacement. And if Peterman can only play LG, then maybe it's the time to see if he can play at all. Allen can still dominate his opponent, but only if they stay right in front of him.

At C, we HAVE to upgrade. There is no way around it. I like Johnson quite a bit, and I don't think his play was nearly as bad as many suggest, but he is definitely not the total package. The one clear target should be Bentley. Young, and already one of the best in the league, it's unknown whether NO will pay him as a franchise player. There are some other centers that would be an upgrade to Johnson in free agency.

At RT, we will bring in competition without a doubt. I think Petitti will be better. He will have a year of weight training, not weight loss. He will have a year to work on his footwork, which was a drastic change for a guy who has always played LT. And hopefully he will be healthy. He got much worse when he suffered the knee and ankle injury in Detroit. It was a high ankle sprain, one of the most difficult injuries to play with.

There is a bonanza of tackle talent in the first round of this draft. Get one if you don't get another free agent to compete. We do have the several vets that we brought in last year. With a full training camp, we will see if they can compete.

Here is what I would do though. If the best tackle is a LT, then bring him in at LT and let him work there. Consider moving Flo to right tackle. Do not make the rookie make the change...if you do, there is no chance that he will be effective. Flo will be coming off an injury that could rob him of some of his speed and agility, which were never top notch. He has played right tackle and would have no problem returning there. We improve RT by leaps and bounds, making it a strength, rather than a weakness. And the LT would be playing his same position, would be able to get the majority of any TE or RB help against the pass rush.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Keep Larry, but try to reduce his salary. He is counting against our salary cap anyway. We aren't getting a guy for 3 million a year thats gonna be at his level.

Larry's play has gone way down. He rarely hits anyone that makes a move on him. If you haven't noticed that, you either aren't watching him or are blind.

And apparently you don't have a good idea about how the salary cap works, because 3-3.5 million for a first year hit is very workable for a good player. Five year, 30 million contract with 10 million signing bonus.

Year --- Bonus --- Sal --- Cap
1 --- 2 --- 1.5 --- 3.5
2 --- 2 --- 2.5 --- 4.5
3 --- 2 --- 4.0 --- 6.0
4 --- 2 --- 5.0 --- 7.0
5 --- 2 --- 7.0 --- 9.0
--- 10 --- 20.00 --- 30.00

At the end of three years, you can cut or renegotiate depending on how the player is playing.

 

[Joe a Cowboys fan]

RG, C, LG and RT in any order, draft or FA. Don't worry about Dallas signing a WR because they will not do it no matter who is there. Bill went over board trying to build his DL last years and will do the OL this year the same way. I loved LeCharles Bentley 7 years ago but he isn't coming here either. We pick at 18 so any first rounder we take in the first round is a project that will cost more than one taken in the second or third. We have a better chance of drafting a FS than taking a first rounder OL. Or we could waste it all together and trade down.

I think the OL mailed it in the last 4 games. Other than Adams I don't see anyone who is untradeable or not due a serious camp competition. Drew needs some big OL that will protect his AARP fannie. JJ will run better with an OL that will run block all 16 games. I hate the idea that yet another draft will pass us by without geting a franchise WR, or a QB but there is no sence geting either without an effective offensive line.

 

[ghst187]

He is also so old that he is about a year away from needing dentures. What a total waste of FA $$$ that was.

yeah, meanwhile, look at the other GB FA G we passed up on...Mike Wahle, another pro bowl year WHO CAN ALSO PLAY CENTER!!!!
Jerry gets an F- for that decision to get Rivera over Wahle.

 

[Zaxor]

yeah, meanwhile, look at the other GB FA G we passed up on...Mike Wahle, another pro bowl year WHO CAN ALSO PLAY CENTER!!!!
Jerry gets an F- for that decision to get Rivera over Wahle.

I did not know he could play Center but he has played tackle (but I don't believe you would want that for more than a game or 2)

but yeah I would have like to have him too but I have seen it written here that he was willing to take less money to play in his home area of Carolina so I am not sure how much more he would have costed but what ever it was it would have probably been worth it...Rivera has really been a very poor signing so far...I thought he looked done the previous year (though he went to the Prowbowl)

 

[marsbennett]

C: This would be my personal favorite area to improve because I think a legitimate/top center would have a bigger impact on our running game and Pass protection than a new RT...the pocket must be solid up the middle so Bledsoe doesn't focus on the rush and so he can step up to avoid the outside rush.

Not to mention a Center that is not tipping off the defense when the snap is coming.

RG: We all know it's true...Rivera is the starter again next year...period.

God, I hope not simply because of his salary.

RT: Don't be surprised if the competition comes down to Pettitti who now has a season under his belt and Tucker who pleasantly surprised Parcells with his improvement while playing the tougher side of the line. I wouldn't be surprised if a FA OT is brought in just for insurance, but I don't think it will be a top line guy who is sure to start.

I'd pit Pettitti and Tucker and let the best have one position. I hope we sign a starter via FA, because counting on a rookie draftee in any round is a risky proposition for your QB.

Free Agency/Draft:I'd love to bring in another Center, but I won't be surprised if we go with the same guys. I don't see Parcells drafting an OT in round 1 or 2 because it's unlikely either round would produce an automatic day 1 starter...recently, most top OT's have actually been playing OG for a year or two. I don't see Parcells wanting to spend a day 1 pick on an OL...shocking as that may be.

It is not BP's MO to draft an OL in round one, but due to the depth of this draft, we could likely trade down for more picks, unless there is a special LB or great CB that you simply can't pass on with the first pick.

I

think we'll trade down in the first round to garner an extra #2 if we can find a partner. I believe after FA is over, Parcells will want to draft a LB, FS, WR, and either another TE or OL on day 1. He'll want guys who can either start as rookies or make an impact in a rotation.

Took the words outta my mouth.

As for the OL, when cooler heads prevail and Adams returns, I'm not convinced Parcells will want to invest a top draft pick or FA money on a top O'lineman unless it's a center in FA.

Those calling for an OL overhaul are in for a shock, imo. I think he expects to have LT fixed with Adams, at least the same out of LA, better out of Rivera in his 2nd year back from injury, better play and competition out of Tucker/Pettitti if only one of them has to play at RT, and improved play out of either Johnson or Gurode.

Great points, but depth is an absolute responsibility BP must not ignore. Mass overhaul is not coming. I agree.

Call me crazy, but I'm not holding my breath when FA opens...I think the only signings we could possibly see would be WR or TE (depth) and LB or C or FS(starters if anyone is signed).

If we hit WR, LB, C or OT, and DB....I'd be thrilled. Very nice read, by the way.

 

[jterrell]

Flozell Adams
1 False Start
2 Holding
2 Sacks

Torrin Tucker
4 False Starts
1 Hold
12.5 Sacks

Larry Allen
1 False Start
2 Holds
2.5 Sacks

Al Johnson
1 False Start
6 Holds
1.25 Sacks

Marco Rivera
6 False Starts
3 Holds
3.25 Sacks


Rob Petitti
5 False Starts
2 Holds
13.5 Sacks

Stats


Needless to say, if we come into camp with Rob Petitti as our Right Tackle again, it will be a long season, and it will only be amplified if we pass on every Tackle in the Draft.

- Mike G.

I love the stats inc site

All that said the guy that kills me is Tucker. He's a veteran with lots of starts and he gives up more than a sack per game?

If you go back through the logs Petitti had very reasonable sack numbers through 6 weeks where he was playing with Flo and getting some TE/back help.
Looks like 3 after 6 games which is a reasonable tackle pace.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I love the stats inc site

All that said the guy that kills me is Tucker. He's a veteran with lots of starts and he gives up more than a sack per game?

If you go back through the logs Petitti had very reasonable sack numbers through 6 weeks where he was playing with Flo and getting some TE/back help.
Looks like 3 after 6 games which is a reasonable tackle pace.

Not sure where to get the breakdown stats for sacks per game.

I do know that Rob Petitti was getting help throughout most of the season,with or without Flozell Adams.

He went up against some extremely good Defensive Ends and as I stated, I didnt expect much. But when I see people emphatically saying "Petitti is our starter next year", kind of blows my mind a little bit.

I wish the kid luck, but if Marcus Mcneil, Jonathan Scott or a solid Free Agent is passed up for Petitti to start and the kid struggles, this is could be a decision that could bring the team down and damage Parcells' reputation here permanatly.

That's just how big of a problem I see it as. It has hurt the franchise since Bill Parcells got here, now it looks like there will be serveral options to fix it. If these options are passed, it could hurt Parcells in the long run.

- Mike G.