Ohio State puts Urban Meyer on administrative leave

[atlantacowboy]

OSU knows this and that's their problem right now. They want to fire him but they know they are going to look pretty silly when they go 8-4 while he is competing for national championships at some other institution.

OSU owes him 30 million dollars and he hasn't done anything wrong. Thats their main problem. The other problem is the recruiting exodus from their 2019 class thats about to happen if this drags on any longer. The OSU admin botched this with a knee jerk reaction. I think many of them are about to lose jobs as well. The alumni back the coach.

 

[AbeBeta]

+1 ........My question is what did she expect Meyers to do? He was her husband supervisor, not the law. Did she want her husband fired, counseled, or both? Why not file a report with the police or get a restraining order. I wonder if Meyers and his wife tried working both to save their marriage.
One thing I remember about him as coach of Gators...... he had ( or least led fans to believe ) strong Christian belief and was not shy about sharing those beliefs with fans and public.

Wouldn't he, as his employee's supervisor have to report this incident to his employer?

And I think the record shows numerous police reports.

I think a huge problem here is that sometimes coaches don't realize they have to answer to someone. Particularly true when you are overseen by people who make less money

 

[Ghost12]

You're both kidding right? There isn't one school in the big 10 nor any other University that would want him. Besides, like the NFL, coaches have contracts.

*** are you talking about here? Yes coaches have contracts but uh.... when a head coach gets fired, he's kinda allowed to take jobs elsewhere. (Often that relieves the school who fired him from having to pay him the balance due on the contract but that's neither here nor there)

No other school would want a HC that kept silent about his assistant coach being a serial wife abuser. Stop thinking about Myer going to a different school, but instead think that he'll be convicted for keeping his mouth shut. He doesn't even deserve Paid Administrator's Leave. OSU' is going to need that money for lawsuits, attorneys and court fees.

What color is the sky on your world? This is not a criminal matter where Meyer is concerned. There may be civil liabilities and breach of contract (although most people think that even that is a longshot since none of the assaults took place on university grounds and the victim isn't a university student or employee).... regardless, Meyer he isn't going to criminal court over any of this.

Most OSU fans and alums don't even want Meyer fired. Believe me, if he does get fired, someone will scoop him up as soon as they can.

 

[Ghost12]

OSU owes him 30 million dollars and he hasn't done anything wrong. Thats their main problem. The other problem is the recruiting exodus from their 2019 class thats about to happen if this drags on any longer. The OSU admin botched this with a knee jerk reaction. I think many of them are about to lose jobs as well. The alumni back the coach.

I don't think the $30 million is their main problem. They could make a great case for firing him for cause if they wanted to.

Their biggest problem is how silly they are going to look when Meyer goes someplace else and gets to the playoffs while they're getting an all expense paid trip to the Citrus Bowl.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Wouldn't he, as his employee's supervisor have to report this incident to his employer?

And I think the record shows numerous police reports.

I think a huge problem here is that sometimes coaches don't realize they have to answer to someone. Particularly true when you are overseen by people who make less money

Couple things........I agree if there's a police report, yes Meyers has an obligation to report the incidence. Also, I heard he was contractually obligated to report certain incidences involving his coaches.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I don't think the $30 million is their main problem. They could make a great case for firing him for cause if they wanted to.

Their biggest problem is how silly they are going to look when Meyer goes someplace else and gets to the playoffs while they're getting an all expense paid trip to the Citrus Bowl.

He has broken no laws and whose going to pay the buyout? They fire him and he sues them for 30 million the next day and they have a very poor court case. Thats how admins get fired. The alumni aren't picking up the tab. From what i've read, the boosters overwhelmingly support the coach.

I agree that program is going to fall off a cliff if he leaves and he'll have no problem duplicating his success at another major program.

 

[Ghost12]

He has broken no laws and whose going to pay the buyout? They fire him and he sues them for 30 million the next day and they have a very poor court case. Thats how admins get fired. The alumni aren't picking up the tab. From what i've read, the boosters overwhelmingly support the coach.

It’s clear you either didn’t read or didn’t understand my post so I’ll try again:

1) You wrote “he’ll be convicted for keeping his mouth shut.” This is just not that case. “Convicted” means “convicted in a criminal court of law” and this is just not a criminal matter as far as Meyer is concerned. Meyer is not going to be charged with a crime, he is not going to be prosecuted, he is not going to go to a criminal court of law.

2) However, if OSU fires him (and I am not saying I think they will, I am just saying IF they decide to) then they have a strong case for firing him for cause, which means they wouldn’t owe him anything. In the real world, what would likely happen is the 2 parties would come to some sort of settlement. OSU football is worth an estimated $1.5 billion. Nobody is going to have a conniption over a $5 to $10 million payment.

3) Another factor is whether or not Meyer’s contract has offset language, whereby he forfeits OSU income if he takes a job elsewhere. I honestly do not know if his contract has such language, but that might be something that got OSU off the hook from any major financial obligations.

 

[atlantacowboy]

It’s clear you either didn’t read or didn’t understand my post so I’ll try again:

1) You wrote “he’ll be convicted for keeping his mouth shut.” This is just not that case. “Convicted” means “convicted in a criminal court of law” and this is just not a criminal matter as far as Meyer is concerned. Meyer is not going to be charged with a crime, he is not going to be prosecuted, he is not going to go to a criminal court of law.

2) However, if OSU fires him (and I am not saying I think they will, I am just saying IF they decide to) then they have a strong case for firing him for cause, which means they wouldn’t owe him anything. In the real world, what would likely happen is the 2 parties would come to some sort of settlement. OSU football is worth an estimated $1.5 billion. Nobody is going to have a conniption over a $5 to $10 million payment.

3) Another factor is whether or not Meyer’s contract has offset language, whereby he forfeits OSU income if he takes a job elsewhere. I honestly do not know if his contract has such language, but that might be something that got OSU off the hook from any major financial obligations.

1. I never wrote any such thing. So you are the one with the reading problem.

2. Just b/c one party believes they are firing someone for cause does not make it a fact.

3. nice strawman

 

[Ghost12]

1. I never wrote any such thing. So you are the one with the reading problem.

Relax. You jumped into the conversation, I got my debating 'partners' mixed up and I made an honest mistake.

2. Just b/c one party believes they are firing someone for cause does not make it a fact.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that's why we have courts of law. Having said that, it is clear OSU has a ridiculously strong case given the terms of Meyer's contract and his contractual obligations.

3. nice strawman

LOL! You talked about how OSU will have to pay Meyer $30 million if they fire. Newsflash: The fact that there might be offset language in his contract is not a strawman. It is a 100% relevant consideration which would directly impact that $30 million figure you brought up.

 

[Ghost12]

Couple things........I agree if there's a police report, yes Meyers has an obligation to report the incidence. Also, I heard he was contractually obligated to report certain incidences involving his coaches.

He is indeed contractually obligated to report such instances. sbnation (among other media outlets) have printed the following from his contract:

Failure by Coach to promptly report to Ohio State’s Deputy Title IX Coordinator — Athletics or Ohio State’s Title IX Coordinator any known violations of Ohio State’s Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty, or staff or that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event. For purposes of this section ... a “known violation” shall mean a violation or an allegation of a violation of Title IX that Coach is aware of or has reasonable cause to believe is taking place or may have taken place.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/8/2/17642336/urban-meyer-contract-ohio-state

If we accept the notion that Meyer knew about the assaults, then it really is pretty cut and dry that OSU could fire him for cause and not owe him a penny.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Relax. You jumped into the conversation, I got my debating 'partners' mixed up and I made an honest mistake.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that's why we have courts of law. Having said that, it is clear OSU has a ridiculously strong case given the terms of Meyer's contract and his contractual obligations.
LOL! You talked about how OSU will have to pay Meyer $30 million if they fire. Newsflash: The fact that there might be offset language in his contract is not a strawman. It is a 100% relevant consideration which would directly impact that $30 million figure you brought up.

Offset langauge isn't addressed in his contract. They owe him 38 million unless they fire him for cause. Its unclear if a title ix violation constitutes "cause". There is no stipulation in his contract that such a violation would terminate the agreement. A court would also have to find that OSU can implement recently added provisions of his contract retroactively to even get him on a title ix violation. ...............highly unlikely.

I think they suspended him rather than fire him b/c they don't have a clear cut case. Even if he admits that he failed to report something in 2015, he wasn't violating any terms of his contract. At most, he's guilty of giving his assistant the benefit of the doubt which may have been morally dubious knowing what we know now. It is not fireable offense. I don't see Urban backing down. The OSU admin is in a real pickle.

 

[Ghost12]

Offset langauge isn't addressed in his contract. They owe him 38 million unless they fire him for cause. Its unclear if a title ix violation constitutes "cause". There is no stipulation in his contract that such a violation would terminate the agreement. A court would also have to find that OSU can implement recently added provisions of his contract retroactively to even get him on a title ix violation. ...............highly unlikely.

I quoted the exact passage in my response to Hawkeye0202 outlining his responsibilities in this regard. It's pretty unambiguous and it is both specifically outlines in his contract and mentioned in school policy.

My theory - which I admit is just a theory - is that he told the OSU admin the same lie he told all of us at that infamous press conference 2 weeks ago. And believe you me, lying to the admin over this matter is indeed an offensive which would justify being fired for cause.

 

[triplets_93]

So he may be available? W 117 L 31
Bowling Green
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Dallas Cowboys

Urban Meyer would work for me. I'd be willing to give him a shot with The Boys. I'm just not sold on "Red Jesus." I say let Garrett go and prove how great he is on someone else's NFL team.

 

[Birch_Wood]

Urban Meyer would work for me. I'd be willing to give him a shot with The Boys. I'm just not sold on "Red Jesus." I say let Garrett go and prove how great he is on someone else's NFL team.

You wonder if his system would work in the NFL.

 

[triplets_93]

You wonder if his system would work in the NFL.

I think that Urban Meyer would "adapt" to be successful. I like the idea of Urban working his scheme, in spite of Jerry..

 

[TWOK11]

Plot twist: Sounds like Tom Herman was the one who provided McMurphy with the story (though he of course denies it).

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Urban Meyer is POS ... a few years back this clown blocked in a car at OSU parking lot where Meyer's office is. The guy parked in Meyers spot. He pulled right in behind the guy so he would not be able to get out. The entire parking lot was empty. He looks like an elitists POS to me ... hope he falls hard.

Urban Meyer Blocks In Car That Took His Parking Spot [PHOTO]

https://detroit.cbslocal.com/2015/06/15/urban-meyer-blocks-in-car-that-took-his-parking-spot-photo/

Yeah, that's a drag but remember, there are two sides to every story. Think about what you wrote here. If the entire parking lot is empty and somebody parks in a spot, that I'm sure is clearly marked as reserved, what do you think that's about?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I mentioned this earlier but timing might play a part here.

Meyer signed this contract with the Title IX language in it after all of this happened. I am not certain if events that happened, prior to signing this contract, have precedents. That's a legal question that I do not know the answer to. Perhaps somebody more learned can weigh in on this.

 

[lukin2006]

Yeah, that's a drag but remember, there are two sides to every story. Think about what you wrote here. If the entire parking lot is empty and somebody parks in a spot, that I'm sure is clearly marked as reserved, what do you think that's about?

My point being is it's possible the other vehicle was parked there by mistake, Meyer did it on purpose. Life is challenging enough without silliness like that...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

My point being is it's possible the other vehicle was parked there by mistake, Meyer did it on purpose. Life is challenging enough without silliness like that...

I find it very hard to believe that somebody would park there by mistake. Those kinds of things are normally pretty clearly marked and they are that way for a reason. Specifically so that nobody makes that mistake. However, it's possible that it was a mistake but that's kinda the point right? I mean, there are two sides to every story. Just as it could be a mistake, it's just as likely, and probably even more so, that it was not a mistake. We can't make decisions on people based on half told stories. We don't know all the facts so it's probably unfair to say that this person is this or this person is that, based on hearsay etc.

JMO